Yeah, they somehow made a system worse than vita chambers, which I already found terrible.
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Bioshock Infinite |OT| No Gods, Kings, or Irrational Games
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Yeah, they somehow made a system worse than vita chambers, which I already found terrible.
Beautiful piano version of ELizabeth Theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl9eIKqFXMc
Incendiary
Banned
I can understand patching/modding the checkpoint system because it sucks. But I think patching in all weapons would be unfair/make the game a whole lot easier/break the design of the game. Some of the encounters are designed around using what you have wisely, instead of bringing everything but the kitchen sink into every battle. That's actually one of the gripes I had about the original Bioshock: by about halfway through the game you were pretty much stacked with ammo of every type so the Big Daddy boss fights were ridiculously easy. I honestly don't think the two weapon system is that big a deal in this game. They let you still collect ammo for the other weapons you aren't carrying, and most of the battle arenas have weapons scattered about for you to pick up if you feel like switching. Not once during the game did I ever feel like "hey, I wish I had X weapon right now it sucks I can only carry two." Having all weapons also kind of defeats the purpose of 1999 mode: the entire point is that resources are supposed to be scarce and you're supposed to limit yourself to only upgrading the weapons you're favoring, not all of them.
Also I felt all the Vigors are pretty balanced. The only one I rarely use is Devil's Kiss, but everybody who plays favors different Vigors for their play style which I think says something about the Vigor design.
When I first started playing, I hated the Vigors. But now that I've finished it, I find that most of the Vigors aren't that badly balanced. Except Possession, which is too fucking expensive for what it does. Unsurprisingly, it quickly becomes useless once you get Shock Jockey. Normalizing the costs slightly would fix every issue with them.
I disagree with you on the weapons on every count tho. Many of the game's battles (the Final Battle being the most standout example, with
the three battles against Lady Comstock
I'm still on the fence as to if I want to try 1999 mode or not. The difference between Easy/Normal/Hard basically boiled down to every enemy becoming a bullet sponge with 3x health and 3x damage dealt. Doesn't inspire confidence at all.
The Librarian
Banned
Infinite is closer to Halo than it is to CoD.
Yeah, it's those two battles that would make me not want to play 1999 mode. I wasn't doing too bad on Hard until then, but I was about ready to stop playing entirely on the third fight of Comstock. I eventually compromised on the final battle and just turned it to easy because the game started throwing so many different enemies at you, and it was just impossible to deal with it without switching guns every 30 seconds.
It's Halo without the careful balance that goes into Halo's guns to ensure that two weapons only actually works.
Vire
Member
Outside of the final battle, I didn't say it was impossible. Just that it was frustratingly difficult.
I'm guessing you had all the upgrades for your respective guns?
Once I get it on PC, I guess I'll retry the game on 1999 mode. I don't have enough time to finish the game twice in a single rental sadly.
The Librarian
Banned
@ Sophie, I don't know what balance is referring to you in your sentence.
Vire
Member
Yep, all upgrades for those two guns only.
Then I invested the rest into maxed out Shock Jockey, Possession and Undertow.
Used Extra 50% Extra Crit Damage + 40% Chance to recover Salts on Kill + The Area of Effect One after doing excessive damage for my gear
Annihilated everything, pretty easily actually. Beat the final encounter on my first try.
Well there's a strategy where
you can snipe her from the set of stairs near the vending machines. That's what I did which made it really easy.
That's basically what I did in the long run, although after restarting from a checkpoint. Felt pretty hallow when I actually did win tho. Probably because I was so frustrated and just wanted the game to be over.
Wow, just killed the first
in ten or so seconds. Fully upgraded Charge, upgraded shotgun, Burning Halo + Blood to Salt + Brittle-Skinned. It wasn't that hard before, but now 1999 is a joke. Also fun.
With the cheap-cast aid, the salt cost isn't an issue (and it's extremely powerful even without the aid).
Siren
With the cheap-cast aid, the salt cost isn't an issue (and it's extremely powerful even without the aid).
Vire
Member
Yeah, Possession is one of the best vigors in the game.
If you buy the cheap cast aid, it's almost OP.
XeroSauce
Member
I only wish that the weapon "spawns" or locations were more obvious. When flying around on rails or running all over pulling tears for medkits it's kind of hard to notice that there's a full ammo machine gun right there for you.
Otherwise, I lvoed the weapon system. Rewarded you for scavenging enemy weapons depending on your gear OR sticking to 2-3 weapons depending on your gear is great. Worked for me.
If you are having trouble with switching guns, use overkill and ammo gear, buy upgrade for specific guns and max them out.
If you have no problem with running around grabbing various weapons to use (like I did), use things like weapon ghosts or reload gear. Buy cheap upgrades for various guns.
Otherwise, I lvoed the weapon system. Rewarded you for scavenging enemy weapons depending on your gear OR sticking to 2-3 weapons depending on your gear is great. Worked for me.
If you are having trouble with switching guns, use overkill and ammo gear, buy upgrade for specific guns and max them out.
If you have no problem with running around grabbing various weapons to use (like I did), use things like weapon ghosts or reload gear. Buy cheap upgrades for various guns.
I thought they had disabled the revive feature in 1999 mode, when I died early on in the game I just reloaded from the last checkpoint because it felt like cheating.. but then I realized the checkpoints themselves were terrible, having to re-loot everything before every battle.
When I realized that I could
push the "rocket men" off the ship with Undertow and use the Sniper for everything else
Lady Comstock
Riposte
Member
What does this even mean?
Why is being forced to switch guns a bad thing? In the final battle you will have guns to switch to. Moreover I get the feeling anyone who couldn't really clear the final battle (which wasn't even that hard) isn't the best person to judge the combat system.
EDIT: For my upgrades, I spread it around a bit. Had 50% for two guns (and I think one case of fire rate+), 25% for two or three other guns.
I'm 10 hours into this game and this is the first I've heard of vigor combos. Wtf?
Hm? Also never heard of it - sure I mix-used them (Crow-trap and then Bronco for example) but it is actually possible to combine them? There is also that weird Achievement that asks you to combine all Vigors.
I didn't really like Bio1 either, and I don't like scores. I just slapped it on there because some people don't take opinions seriously unless you slap a score on them
I heard about them half way through, but only because the loading screen tipped me off to their existence.
I have mine installed on a SSD so I barely get to read those tips. I feel this way about most games.
The Librarian
Banned
I asked about this earlier. I was told that by "combos" people mean using two vigors close together. Like sending crows at a target then lighting them on fire.
You mean with the
Boy of Silence? Just don't let them see you, and you won't trigger their helper dudes
I....did not know that. I walked right up to every one.
I suck at games :lol
edit: if I beat that section just now, how close am I to the end?
I don't think it's because you suck. It's oddly designed, the latter instances of that seem visually a lot more transparent in communicating the stealth option.
You have less than an hour left.
Yeah, I agree. Thinking back on the last one I saw, it makes more sense, but the first few were just sort of standing there right in the way. Figured they were simply meant to be combat sections.
Thankfully done with that. Loving where the story is going, shit is crazy!
Actually, I forgot about a section, you have more than an hour, but yeah, you're in the final stretch.
I found it kind of strange that they didn't explain the Vigors like they did in Bioshock, they just had that magician at the beginning of the game. I understand why they didn't explain the mechanics, but story wise it felt out of place.
The game is very linear and the combat remains pretty much the same through out the whole game. The story doesn't get very interesting up until the very end.. but if you are observant you will appreciate some of the minor details it throws at you.
Dude, the game hasn't even started for you, yet.
So I'm at the end of the game. I shoot this dude, my PC halts, takes me to desktop, shows me two nonsense error messages that i click through because it dumped me out in the middle of a fight. Get back, finish the battle, and the fucking awesome result?
Now the game won't save. At all.
Now the game won't save. At all.
fuck
I disagree, once you have a few vigors and a big salt meter combat becomes a lot more fun, especially when you start combining the various powers.
Fix The Scientist
Member
I think i'm about 70% through, it's ok but nothing THAT special yet. I don't get this series. It's certainly beautiful at times though.
Riposte
Member
Wow that's... oh, UK? Game sold like shit then I see.
Patrick Bateman
Member
AHA-Lambda
Member
Why do people keep saying this? It's a total fallacy.
Riposte
Member
Jokes can be false, so I don't see the problem.
Poimandres
Member
I'm going to have to agree with this. I'm only halfway through the game, but combat has been a lot more fun since more weapons/vigors/skylines/tears were thrown into the mix. For the first hour or two it's pretty standard fare, but I'm liking it a lot more now.
But I don't know if I'd call the game a "standard FPS" when you don't even pick up a gun until an hour or so in...
I feel your pain, brother. I had to beat roughly the last 40% of the game in one sitting on 1999 mode because the game flat out refused to save my progress, insisting my last checkpoint was over 5 hours ago...and counting...all the way up to the credits >_<
EDIT: before people start cross referencing the greenman thread and say I pirated the game: I've been using a buddy's at work 360 copy while I waited on my PC situation to resolve itself. I don't have home internet at the moment, so if those stupid ass "SHOW MEH DA RECEIPTS" gifs start popping up I'll be more than happy to text a mod an MMS showing my 1999 mode clear achievement, and/or a picture of the game.
The Librarian
Banned
I see what you did there, Irrational.
And this why you allow manual saving. I had to replay the begining of the game because i accidentally hit new game instead of continue. By far the most annoying thing about the game imo.