Black Lives Matter activists chain themselves to road at Heathrow Airport, UK

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Zelias said:
Huh, didn't know BLM had a UK presence. Now I do. Protest is a success then I guess. Good on them.
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Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
 
Symphonia said:
Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
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No one gives a shit so they shouldn't try to inconvenience people's vacations.
#BlackLivesMatterLessThanMyVacation
BLMLTMV!
 
Symphonia said:
Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
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Literally no part of your post is "all for #BlackLivesMatter" except those quoted words. You should take a look at that and evaluate what your position may actually be.

Are you reading their Twitter?

http://twitter.com/ukblm

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Symphonia said:
Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
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Black Lives Matter, but my vacation matters more.
 
Symphonia said:
Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
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Pretty much, you're wasting your time in here though.
 
Symphonia said:
There are better ways to show support.
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What do you mean by "show support"? You think this entire situation is a physical platitude and lip service to some greater cause? These are people wanting justice for specific situations and oppressions that they tell you.

Did you read their Twitter before you wrote these posts? Be completely honest to yourself. Re-evaluate if you may actually mean you're "all for #blacklivesmatter."

http://twitter.com/ukblm
 
Symphonia said:
Say you spend £2000 on a holiday. You turn up at the airport, but find your flight has been cancelled because a group think chaining themselves to the runway over a non-existent issue in the UK will make a difference to the US. Would you not be pissed off? You're a liar if you say no.
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BLM = 'group think'

hoooo boy.

EmiPrime said:
"Please protest in a non-disruptive manner, not too loudly though, preferably not in public, maybe just retweet an article or something. We'll respect you more."
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This is what most people criticizing this turn out to look like. Just come out and say it.
 
Symphonia said:
Say you spend £2000 on a holiday. You turn up at the airport, but find your flight has been cancelled because a group think chaining themselves to the runway over a non-existent issue in the UK will make a difference to the US. Would you not be pissed off? You're a liar if you say no.


Using their voice, for one.
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You don't know a single thing about this entire situation.
 
Symphonia said:
Say you spend £2000 on a holiday. You turn up at the airport, but find your flight has been cancelled because a group think chaining themselves to the runway over a non-existent issue in the UK will make a difference to the US. Would you not be pissed off? You're a liar if you say no.


Using their voice, for one.
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What makes you think they're protesting over something in the US?
They're acting for change in the UK over something in the UK. Like do we have to de-embedd Liu Kang Baking A Pie images so you can read what they're protesting for?

Symphonia said:
So are you saying there isn't a group of people currently protesting?
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So are you saying they're not individuals with their own ideas and thoughts?
 
Symphonia said:
Say you spend £2000 on a holiday. You turn up at the airport, but find your flight has been cancelled because a group think chaining themselves to the runway over a non-existent issue in the UK will make a difference to the US. Would you not be pissed off? You're a liar if you say no.


Using their voice, for one.
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Did you just accidentally scroll past the BLM tweets explaining some of their issues, or were you too pre-occupied by a theoretical holiday that was scrapped because apparently flight rescheduling isn't a thing?

TM94 said:
Pretty much, you're wasting your time in here though.
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Yeah, probably best to complain about this in an echo-chamber where your ignorance won't be challenged.
 
Hazzuh said:
Yeah, I would never have thought the police in the UK could be an issue until I moved to London. Also the only place I've seen police regularly carry visible firearms.
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Police in Northern Ireland all carry firearms - and it's not even a rare occurrence to see officers carry assault rifles, either.

They are just very, very rarely used.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
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This is "really" not valid though. I truly feel that these protestors are appropriating the problems in the US.

BLM in the UK, in London, is very bizarre and I don't think seeing Americans in this thread judge our police is appropriate.

We do not have racial I justice with regards to police brutality here.
 
Mael said:
What makes you think they're protesting over something in the US? They're acting for change in the UK over something in the UK. Like do we have to de-embedd Liu Kang Baking A Pie images so you can read what they're protesting for?
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I'm sorry, I must've missed the daily occurrences in the UK where a black individual is killed. I was too busy reading about the daily occurences in the US where a black individual actually IS killed.
 
Try talking to actual refugees in this country and people being targeted by British surveillance just because they are Muslim, even those who don't even believe or practice before saying this is a "non-existant" issue, just to name two examples of issues BLM UK is drawing attention to.
 
Cobalt Izuna said:
This is "really" not valid though. I truly feel that these protestors are appropriating the problems in the US.

BLM in the UK, in London, is very bizarre and I don't think seeing Americans in this thread judge our police is appropriate.

We do not have racial I justice with regards to police brutality here.
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They're telling you exactly what they are protesting for. You're choosing not to believe them or give it credence.
 
Symphonia said:
Oh, yes, ruining thousands of people's holidays in protest of an issue that has little-to-no presence in the UK is the perfect way to show support. I'm all for #BlackLivesMatter, but this will achieve nothing but a ballache for the airport staff and several thousand holiday makers.
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Please tell them how to do it right. Since you obviously care so much.


TM94 said:
Pretty much, you're wasting your time in here though.
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Oh look its drivebyshitpostguy!!!

He is cool, he barely wastes his time.

Easily confused with edgeyaltrightguy.
 
Symphonia said:
I'm sorry, I must've missed the daily occurrences in the UK where a black individual is killed. I was too busy reading about the daily occurences in the US where a black individual actually IS killed.
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Did you miss Liu Kang Baking A Pie's post (requoted 2 posts up) about what they were protesting about because you were too busy trying to deflect criticism too?
 
SuicidalSteve said:
So people who try to get to get a flight to see a family member who could have less than a day to live or perhaps missing someone's funeral by these demonstrations an irritation?

There are other ways to protest
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So with the Nana Ruth stuff, which I don't even take part in... are you guys seeing it yet? Do you get it? I thought your post was going to be sarcasm when I started it.

They are telling you of a specific dead person and why they're dead, and you want justice for a hypothetical person instead. Think about this.
 
SuicidalSteve said:
So people who try to get to get a flight to see a family member who could have less than a day to live or perhaps missing someone's funeral by these demonstrations an irritation?

There are other ways to protest
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Good thing you can provide the names and contact of these people so you can forward them the info of ukblm so they can tell them they missed Nana Ruth's funeral.
 
EmiPrime said:
Try talking to actual refugees in this country and people being targeted by British surveillance just because they are Muslim, even those who don't even believe or practice before saying this is a "non-existant" issue, just to name two examples of issues BLM UK is drawing attention to.
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How is BLM remotely linked to the ridiculous increase in racism to any that is South Asian/Middle Eastern? How would BLACK lives matter raise awareness for people who "look" like muslims let alone muslims being oppressed and stereotyped by society? I've watched the news and not once did they mention that one of the motivations of this protest was to raise awareness for racial profiling of other minorities other than black people.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm fine with these protests but I don't see how they're protesting anyone other minority other than black people and if they are, it is definitely not being reported well enough.
 
Skii said:
How is BLM remotely linked to the ridiculous increase in racism to any that is South Asian/Middle Eastern? How would BLACK lives matter raise awareness for people who "look" like muslims let alone muslims being oppressed and stereotyped by society? I've watched the news and not once did they mention that one of the motivations of this protest was to raise awareness for racial profiling of other minorities other than black people.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm fine with these protests but I don't see how they're protesting anyone other minority other than black people and if they are, it is definitely not being reported well enough.
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Edit: I misread this entirely.
 
Skii said:
How is BLM remotely linked to the ridiculous increase in racism to any that is South Asian/Middle Eastern? How would BLACK lives matter raise awareness for people who "look" like muslims let alone muslims being oppressed and stereotyped by society? I've watched the news and not once did they mention that one of the motivations of this protest was to raise awareness for racial profiling of other minorities other than black people.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm fine with these protests but I don't see how they're protesting anyone other minority other than black people and if they are, it is definitely not being reported well enough.
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BLM UK is different to BLM US and is tackling issues more relevant to the UK.
 
Skii said:
How is BLM remotely linked to the ridiculous increase in racism to any that is South Asian/Middle Eastern? How would BLACK lives matter raise awareness for people who "look" like muslims let alone muslims being oppressed and stereotyped by society? I've watched the news and not once did they mention that one of the motivations of this protest was to raise awareness for racial profiling of other minorities other than black people.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm fine with these protests but I don't see how they're protesting anyone other minority other than black people and if they are, it is definitely not being reported well enough.
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BLM (in America) have actually been the ones fighting for everyone of every color. A white guy who was gunned down by police was ignored by the "All Lives Matter" crowd.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Why do they have to fix your problems, too?

If you're doing as much work for your cause as they are for their own, you have room to complain to them. As it is, you're seeing this moment about one thing and using it to shout "hey what about this though?"
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Wow, just wow. How do you completely miss the point like that? Where did I ask for them to represent other minorities? I'm replying to someone who thinks they are.
 
Good for them. At least somebody is standing up for something these days that could be beneficial for society rather than the passive armchair commentators we have all become (i'm including myself in this) that do fuck all but moan.
 
EmiPrime said:
BLM UK is different to BLM US and is tackling issues more relevant to the UK.
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PopeReal said:
BLM (in America) have actually been the ones fighting for everyone of every color. A white guy who was gunned down by police was ignored by the "All Lives Matter" crowd.
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It's a shame then that this protest isn't getting attributed for its representation of all minorities. The news are essentially reporting it as an annoyance with no underlying reason behind it.
 
Cobalt Izuna said:
I don't think seeing Americans in this thread judge our police is appropriate.
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I don't think Americans have a good understanding of the justice system within the U.K, understandably, as there are so very few high profile incidents of lethal force being used.

Racism is a (significant) issue in the U.K - but we don't have the same racial history as the United States (slavery, Jim Crow, etc), and people should bear that in mind.
 
Symphonia said:
a non-existent issue in the UK
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You're full of shit. Full stop.

Salvadora said:
I don't think Americans have a good understanding of the justice system within the U.K, understandably, as there are so very few high profile incidents of lethal force being used.

Racism is a (significant) issue in the U.K - but we don't have the same racial history as the United States (slavery, Jim Crow, etc), and people should bear that in mind.
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As are you. I suggest you crack open a history book.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2008/sep/05/raceineducation.raceinschools
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-36667752
http://www.workersliberty.org/node/5912

When the “triangular trade” began, manufactured goods went from Bristol, Liverpool and London to the African coast, where textiles and guns were bartered for black slaves. The slaves were taken across the Atlantic to the Leeward Islands, Surinam and Jamaica, and there exchanged for sugar, spices and rum. These goods were then brought back - on the third leg of the “triangle” — to Britain, and sold.

It was an enormously profitable trade — one product of which was the creation of black communities in the slave port towns, as slaves and black sailors found their way to Britain.

By 1800 the black population of Britain was probably around 10,000, from a general population of 9 million.

The first black political leader in Britain was Olaudah Equiano who was kidnapped by slave traders as a child. By saving from petty trading he bought his own freedom for £40. Equiano travelled widely; in Britain he participated in the — largely white — abolitionist movement, wrote a key, popular expose of the slave trade, Interesting Narrative, and joined the radical London Corresponding Society.

One of the five poor and determined radicals hung after the “Cato Street” conspiracy, in 1820, was a black man, William Davidson. A black tailor, William Cuffay, was a hero and martyr of the Chartist movement — transported with two white comrades to Tasmania in 1849 he died there, in a workhouse, in 1870.

The British slave trade was only abolished in 1807; slavery itself in 1833. Racism, which had developed as a justification for slavery, continued, expanded and mutated to justify Empire. Peter Fryer writes, “From the 1840s to the 1940s Britain's ‘native policy' was dominated by racism. The golden age of British Empire was the golden age of British racism too… the flood-tide of racism never completely submerges the image of black as ‘man and brother'... kept alive by three distinct traditions: humanitarian abolitionism; radicalism; and working class solidarity."

Indeed, there has been a strong tradition of white racism in Britain, but there is also a strong current of anti-racism and solidarity, too. For example, during the US civil war (1861-5), the British government was sympathetic to the slave-owning Southern states. The British workers were generally for the North and abolition (Karl Marx, for example, reports on attending large workers' meetings called to back the Northern states), and even at great cost to themselves: the workers of old Chartist centres of north-west England suffered tremendous hardships because the North was blockading the slave ports and stopping the flow of cotton to the British textile industry. But they stood solid “for Lincoln and liberty”!
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