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[Flying_Phoenix]

Social Justice - Shitty schools (thus education), parents with shitty working hours, shitty community, being born when parents are likely well already are in poverty and thus the "system".

Parenting - Kids being raised by one parent while the other works all day thus can't be consistent with punishment.

Lacks of Role Models - Self Explanatory.

Indirect Racism - For an example of this see the American Drug War.

There are other things as well (such as gender roles), but to me these are the biggest.

Yes, negative reinforcement is certainly what black children need, typically not receiving their fair share at home. Have you ever heard of black parents beating their children? One day they'll discover this proven formula for success. With your help?

Psychology consists proves time and time again that spanking and hitting your children is like the worst thing you can do in parenting. Yet people never listen.

There are so many problems that need fixing but I beg you ladies please stop letting these uneducated fatherless no good bums with multiple kids already from different women get you pregnant. Force these men to "step their game up". Force them to educate themselves. Cut the pussy supply line off for these men and see how long this goes on.

It isn't uncommon for both men and women to be attracted to people who are dirtbags or hoes. Its just a matter of pushing all of the right buttons. Unfortunately this hurts women a lot more then it does men due to gender roles and income inequality with the sexes.

 

[Londa]

Because the statistics show that they do, at very alarming rates.

Again, making excuses for the behavior, or pretending that they don't exist, only makes it worse. Like the people who criticized Cosby for "airing the dirty laundry", instead of working to tackle the problem.

So? There are statistics saying that the divorce rate is at a all time high, it doesn't mean Americans embrace and enjoy divorce.

Shame that you call yourself a teacher but don't even understand this. lol

 

[Londa]

You guys are trying to argue with Measley over semantics. The label of the culture is irrelevent. The culture he is refering to that the majority of black people subscribe to is a reactionary culture, simple as that. The label of "hip hop culture" is nothing more than a modern label to the added commercialization of said culture.

Sister Slapping Goku in the hooouuuusssseee.

 

[Bgamer90]

Psychology consists proves time and time again that spanking and hitting your children is like the worst thing you can do in parenting. Yet people never listen.

On the flip side though there are many people who were spanked as kids that have thanked their parents for doing it after being around ones who weren't who were just able to do whatever they wanted with "time-outs" being the punishment.

::shrug shoulders::

I don't really know where I fall into the whole spanking debate. I was spanked only twice and it was due to me cutting up and not listening to what my parents told me to do repeatedly (but I wanted to have fun with the other kids and cut up lol). My parents used it as a last resort and didn't do it just to do it.

Overall I was a good kid and had (and still have) a very good relationship with my parents.

 

[mt1200]

I wonder if this might be related to several IQ tests.., I wont post any sources and links, because it might be seen as racist .

btw im neither white or asian, I have to deal with the fact that there are some people way smarter than me just because of their smart parents, so im not being racist.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

...So, because 73% of black children are raised in single parent households, they look down on other black males who can read???

...what?

No
The culture that you guys were talking about (hip hop culture) is a symptom of a much bigger, more problematic one known as the "legacy of struggle." In the black community this culture is passed on by the black mothers. The culture passed on to the daughter is the strong, independent bullshit. But what gets passed on the the boys results in them falling off. The boys fall off hard because they go looking for manhood in the streets. What they find is the bastardized form of manhood, the street shit. The street culture values hypermasculinity exclusively.

The street culture was bred from black males not being able to fufill the role of manhood define by the dominant white system. This is why the street culture is a reactionary culture. It was created to replace not being able to be that chief bread winner. Basically it is a culture that has replaced finances with hypermasculinity.

If the majority of black children are raised in this type of environment then of course the black child that is from a completely differ culture would be the odd one out.

 

[akira28]

You do understand that a two-parent household is going to have a lot more potential economic power than a single-parent household right? Keep in mind, 73% of black youth grow up in the latter.

Of course. Its a contributing factor, but it wasn't what hit those communities, it didn't close the factories or move all the stores and shops 15 miles down the road.

The breaking of the black family structure <--> the decline of black communities. It didn't start with parenthood. It stayed economic. Just like most of the social ills.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

Lots of my friends are black and come from single parent homes. Lots of my friends are asian...white...hispanic. I'm the one with the two parents, so while single parent childhoods CAN be tough, they aren't a death sentence, and they aren't an automatic pathway to growing up a damn fool. I understand the statistics, but they don't lead us to this as a foregone conclusion.

That's nice that it can be done but the majority of black people that come from that situation FAIL!

 

[Londa]

No
The culture that you guys were talking about (hip hop culture) is a symptom of a much bigger, more problematic one known as the "legacy of struggle." In the black community this culture is passed on by the black mothers. The culture passed on to the daughter is the strong, independent bullshit. But what gets passed on the the boys results in them falling off. The boys fall off hard because they go looking for manhood in the streets. What they find is the bastardized form of manhood, the street shit. The street culture values hypermasculinity exclusively.

The street culture was bred from black males not being able to fufill the role of manhood define by the dominant white system. This is why the street culture is a reactionary culture. It was created to replace not being able to be that chief bread winner. Basically it is a culture that has replaced finances with hypermasculinity.

If the majority of black children are raised in this type of environment then of course the black child that is from a completely differ culture would be the odd one out.

hip hop culture is not black culture. Seems like both you and Measley confused TV for the 100% truth.

 

[Horse Detective]

Made the OP seem a little less serious.

 

[Measley]

So? There are statistics saying that the divorce rate is at a all time high, it doesn't mean Americans embrace and enjoy divorce.

Shame that you call yourself a teacher but don't even understand this. lol

You just embraced that statistic by saying "So?". In other words, you just shrug it off as if means nothing and it doesn't matter. 7 out of 10 black kids are growing up in financially, and morally weakened households and you don't care.

Perhaps because matriarchal single parent households has become a mainstream aspect of black culture.

 

[royalan]

No
The culture that you guys were talking about (hip hop culture) is a symptom of a much bigger, more problematic one known as the "legacy of struggle." In the black community this culture is passed on by the black mothers. The culture passed on to the daughter is the strong, independent bullshit. But what gets passed on the the boys results in them falling off. The boys fall off hard because they go looking for manhood in the streets. What they find is the bastardized form of manhood, the street shit. The street culture values hypermasculinity exclusively.

The street culture was bred from black males not being able to fufill the role of manhood define by the dominant white system. This is why the street culture is a reactionary culture. It was created to replace not being able to be that chief bread winner. Basically it is a culture that has replaced finances with hypermasculinity.

If the majority of black children are raised in this type of environment then of course the black child that is from a completely differ culture would be the odd one out.

Again...what?

I wasn't talking about hip hop culture. I don't think anybody was. And, even if I were, what you're describing isn't hip hop culture at all, nor is it relegated to the black community.

Basically, nothing about what you wrote makes a lick of sense and reads like you quickly wikipedia'd a subject you know nothing about to participate in this thread.

 

[Londa]

You just embraced that statistic by saying "So?". In other words, you just shrug it off as if means nothing and it doesn't matter. 7 out of 10 black kids are growing up in financially, and morally weakened households and you don't care.

Perhaps because matriarchal single parent households has become a mainstream aspect of black culture.

I was saying so to the statistic. You really are a strange one. No where am I excusing a negative situation.

Shame that a teacher has a hard time understanding normal english. lol

Let me break it down for you.

I said So as in: So what if the statistic is the majority, it still doesn't prove your point in which you say they embrace that negativity.

 

[akira28]

http://images.fashionmodeldirectory.com/images/intopic_images/2009/53bed448b1aa6d7a5ba8fa6311631460.jpg

Made the OP seem a little less serious.

Well...they are fashion models...(...wat?)

 

[SSJ1Goku]

I'm not arguing semantics. I think it's a flawed argument that builds on top of a false assumption.
Do you have some research that says a majority of black people subscribe to said culture?

First of all yes you were. As I already said the label is irrelavent because the issue that is most important is that it is a reactionary culture. That is why you get bullshit like:

"You talk like your white"

Patrick Moynihan Report section 3

The Patrick Moynihan report expands on the research done by WEB Dubois on the issues in the black community and possible way to how to fix them.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

On the flip side though there are many people who were spanked as kids that have thanked their parents for doing it after being around ones who weren't who were just able to do whatever they wanted with "time-outs" being the punishment.

::shrug shoulders::

Spanking your children doesn't mean that they'll turn into Junior from Problem Child. But it will likely cause many problems in the future that wouldn't occur otherwise. There are far far more effective ways of punishment than spanking. I could go on though I don't want to steer the thread off topic.

I don't really know where I fall into the whole spanking debate.

Science says its wrong so its wrong. This has been documented and studied countless times for years with the results always being the same. I really don't understand GAF. People mock those who don't believe in evolution and global warming. Yet when Psychology comes into play everything is all of a sudden "I'm not sure science is settled on that" when it clearly is. And unlike something like Global Warming, you can directly study this.

Its kind of funny because this is actually on topic for this thread. Do you know what race spanks their kids the most? Blacks, by far.

Spoiler

I use to get spanked too. With a belt.

 

[Measley]

Of course. Its a contributing factor, but it wasn't what hit those communities, it didn't close the factories or move all the stores and shops 15 miles down the road.

The breaking of the black family structure <--> the decline of black communities. It didn't start with parenthood. It stayed economic. Just like most of the social ills.

The single parent household caused blacks to get stuck in those communities and not have the economic power to improve them, or themselves. It also puts a significant strain on young black boys who often times have to step up to take the father's place, or worse is unfairly abused because of the mother's track record with men. In either case, it is the main factor. The single parent problem trickles down to every aspect of the child's life. They tend to have lower grades in school. They tend to be poorer. They tend to be abused. They are more likely to wind up with a criminal record. They are less likely to go to college. etc. etc. etc.

But like Londa said, "So what?" Let the downward spiral continue. If blacks don't care, why should I care? Pass or fail, I still get paid. >

 

[soco]

The biggest thing that can be done is investment in poorer neighborhoods -- especially education (which obviously doesn't only affect African Americans). However, it has to be done smartly. There needs to be respectable jobs that they'll take and affordable housing. Children need access to programs to keep them off the streets and incentives to stay in those. It has to be a sustained effort, but it'll take a long while.

There are some pretty amazing African American role models, but the visibility of a lot of them needs to increase. They need to have their stories told.

There's a certain bit that's cultural and social that's going to take decades still to overcome. I would suspect that in some neighborhoods the social influence to do certain things is pretty strong. It'll change, but it's going to take a very long time.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

hip hop culture is not black culture. Seems like both you and Measley confused TV for the 100% truth.

The label DOES NOT MATTER. The majority of black people subscribe to a reactionary culture. At the start of the thread you guys were discussing the anti-intellectualism in the black community. If the majority of black people subscribe to that thinking then it is "black culture." Just because YOU are black and YOU DON'T subscribe to that thinking does not change that.

 

[thesoapster]

Its kind of funny because this is actually on topic for this thread. Do you know what race spanks their kids the most? Blacks.

Spoiler

I use to get spanked too. With a belt.

I was spanked (I'm white). No black friends or acquaintances ever used the word "spank", but "beat" or "hit". Also, they spoke of it as happening later on in childhood when spanking is not considered to be effective. I have a feeling many of them received harsher physical punishments than I ever did (though I did get the belt once or twice), and that it continued to go on even into their early teen years.

 

[akira28]

I got it pretty bad as a kid. Don't hit your kids unless you want them to become hitters.

I think it's ironic as hell how 'old school' black parents discipline their kids with corporal punishment, keeping in mind how old school it is.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

I LOVED The Wire.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I was spanked (I'm white). No black friends or acquaintances ever used the word "spank", but "beat" or "hit". Also, they spoke of it as happening later on in childhood when spanking is not considered to be effective. I have a feeling many of them received harsher physical punishments than I ever did (though I did get the belt once or twice), and that it continued to go on even into their early teen years.

I was trying to make the point that spanking and other form strict punishment aren't the answer for discipline. That was the point being addressed by the person I quoted.

And spanking isn't really good to do even when you're a little kid.

EDIT - The article I found directly said spanking. I would link it but I'm sure you can trust me.

 

[akira28]

The single parent household caused blacks to get stuck in those communities and not have the economic power to improve them, or themselves. It also puts a significant strain on young black boys who often times have to step up to take the father's place, or worse is unfairly abused because of the mother's track record with men. In either case, it is the main factor. The single parent problem trickles down to every aspect of the child's life. They tend to have lower grades in school. They tend to be poorer. They tend to be abused. They are more likely to wind up with a criminal record. They are less likely to go to college. etc. etc. etc.

But like Londa said, "So what?" Let the downward spiral continue. If blacks don't care, why should I care? Pass or fail, I still get paid. >

EggChickens. I see. I hope you threw up on your hands when you typed that last sentence. Blame the parent. Notchojob to to anything but pass or fail them.

Makes me want to holler.

 

[Londa]

The single parent household caused blacks to get stuck in those communities and not have the economic power to improve them, or themselves. It also puts a significant strain on young black boys who often times have to step up to take the father's place, or worse is unfairly abused because of the mother's track record with men. In either case, it is the main factor. The single parent problem trickles down to every aspect of the child's life. They tend to have lower grades in school. They tend to be poorer. They tend to be abused. They are more likely to wind up with a criminal record. They are less likely to go to college. etc. etc. etc.

But like Londa said, "So what?" Let the downward spiral continue. If blacks don't care, why should I care? Pass or fail, I still get paid. >

Not even close to what I said. How does a teacher not know how to read correctly? lol

Yep you get paid a teachers salary, you really made it in life!

 

[Devolution]

The label DOES NOT MATTER. The majority of black people subscribe to a reactionary culture. At the start of the thread you guys were discussing the anti-intellectualism in the black community. If the majority of black people subscribe to that thinking then it is "black culture." Just because YOU are black and YOU DON'T subscribe to that thinking does not change that.

It sounds like you and Measely want to say the sum of all of the parts of black culture are nothing but negative stereotypes. That's the issue here. There is more to black culture than that, and yet here we are with you guys professing that black culture is nothing but single parents, the ghetto, hip hop and self-destructive behavior. It's not fair to black people regardless of the ways you will rationalize it.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

Akira is right about that one Measley. The black community did not fall of UNTIL economics were removed. What you are describing is the result.

 

[Bgamer90]

Spanking your children doesn't mean that they'll turn into Junior from Problem Child. But it will likely cause many problems in the future that wouldn't occur otherwise. There are far far more effective ways of punishment then spanking. I could go on though.


Science says its wrong so its wrong. I really don't understand GAF. People mock those who don't believe in evolution and global warming. Yet when Psychology comes into play everything is all of a sudden "I'm not sure science is settled on that" when it clearly is. And unlike something like Global Warming, you can directly study this.

Its kind of funny because this is actually on topic for this thread. Do you know what race spanks their kids the most? Blacks.

Spoiler

I use to get spanked too. With a belt.

Arguably though, spanking was popular for kids growing up during previous decades regardless of race and many grown-ups now (regardless of race) feel that many of today's kids say things to their parents that they would have never said to theirs when they grew up.

And again, there are many people who got spanked as kids who don't hate their parents who turned out to be good human beings. I know that studies may side one way but you can't use a study to just assume things to be true for everyone who gets spanked.

So while solely spanking isn't okay, on the flip side there are many people who feel that any form of punishment will upset their kids and thus have their kids walk all over them and/or become brats.

I got spanked a few times (not constantly) and I really can't name any negative changes it has had on me to be honest. I didn't hate my parents after they did it and neither am I a violent person.

 

[Adam Prime]

So? There are statistics saying that the divorce rate is at a all time high, it doesn't mean Americans embrace and enjoy divorce.

Shame that you call yourself a teacher but don't even understand this. lol

Americans DO embrace and enjoy divorce. The idea of "marriage" means nothing in our society, over half of them end in divorce. If you "aren't in love anymore" or "don't have feelings for your spouse" then just get a divorce, who cares! People enter marriages with the idea if "it doesn't work out, then I'll just get a divorce".

So yeah, I would say that Americans do enjoy divorce. It's their "out" for not staying in a lifelong commitment.

I have. And it's actually money that is the difference. Try a majority black school in the inner city versus one in a moderate suburb on the city border, even for contrast and comparison. Those parents didn't keep their majority black school in a one story brick building from the 1940s versus a new steel and glass work of architecture the majority-white students in the county 40 miles north of them might have gotten. Divorces didn't do it either. Economics did, politics did, white flight and concentration away from black populated areas did.

I wish this was true. The very first school that I taught in was a brand new school, second year it has been opened. It was in a district/community that was 5% White and everything else Black and Hispanic. Second year into the school and it already had problems with graffiti, holes in the walls, restrooms being destroyed (broken mirrors, sinks) you name it. It took only two years for the school to be turned into every other 30 year old broken down, destroyed school. It was depressing to see students literally trash a brand new school with brand new technology.

It doesn't matter how nice the facilities, if the culture of the school remains the same they'll bring down the facilities with them very quickly.

 

[royalan]

The single parent household caused blacks to get stuck in those communities and not have the economic power to improve them, or themselves. It also puts a significant strain on young black boys who often times have to step up to take the father's place, or worse is unfairly abused because of the mother's track record with men. In either case, it is the main factor. The single parent problem trickles down to every aspect of the child's life. They tend to have lower grades in school. They tend to be poorer. They tend to be abused. They are more likely to wind up with a criminal record. They are less likely to go to college. etc. etc. etc.

But like Londa said, "So what?" Let the downward spiral continue. If blacks don't care, why should I care?

I can agree that single parent households don't make anything easy. But I don't think it's the main problem, or that the solution is just plopping the dad back in the house. In some cases the mother is raising the children on her own for a reason. The fathers could be fuckups whose very presence could be detrimental to the upbringing of children.

I said a few pages ago that I knew a few kids in school who fell into gang-mentality largely because of their fathers.

I think it has to do with changing mindsets and the belief that pursuing education and being successful is a pipe dream. And that runs deeper than living in a two-parent household.

I was raised by a single mother. And while it wasn't always easy, I turned out fine because my mother knew that she had to be tough. And she took on that actually responsibility...because my mother's fucking awesome, and my dad isn't. Having him around wouldn't have made things any better.

 

[Londa]

The label DOES NOT MATTER. The majority of black people subscribe to a reactionary culture. At the start of the thread you guys were discussing the anti-intellectualism in the black community. If the majority of black people subscribe to that thinking then it is "black culture." Just because YOU are black and YOU DON'T subscribe to that thinking does not change that.

If hip hop culture was black culture then only blacks would be in hip hop, but as we can see that isn't the case. The black culture I was taught in the 90s had nothing to do with rap or having a baby's daddy. I guess you got taught wrong.

 

[Parallax]

The measley and goku show are back in town? Fantastic. Ill go get some popcorn

 

[Measley]

It sounds like you and Measely want to say the sum of all of the parts of black culture are nothing but negative stereotypes.

Um, no.

 

[Londa]

The measley and goku show are back in town? Fantastic. Ill go get some popcorn

Maybe they are the same person on different accounts? lol

 

[Devolution]

Um, no.

Well then you are terrible at communicating.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

It sounds like you and Measely want to say the sum of all of the parts of black culture are nothing but negative stereotypes. That's the issue here. There is more to black culture than that, and yet here we are with you guys professing that black culture is nothing but single parents, the ghetto, hip hop and self-destructive behavior. It's not fair to black people regardless of the ways you will rationalize it.

What the black community has become sucks. You don't want those negative labels just because you are black, I understand that. But you are the minority in the black community therefore you can not define the culture UNLESS you got the majority of black people to follow your definition of what black culture it. It has nothing to do with being fair. That is what it is.

 

[Devolution]

What the black community has become sucks. You don't want those negative labels just because you are black, I understand that. But you are the minority in the black community therefore you can not define the culture UNLESS you got the majority of black people to follow your definition of what black culture it. It has nothing to do with being fair. That is what it is.

I'm not black, I'm saying this as a complete outsider but someone who is well aware of the issues given where I live. Still I find it insulting how you and Measely come across on these issues.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Arguably though, spanking was popular for kids growing up during previous decades regardless of race and many grown-ups now (regardless of race) feel that many of today's kids say things to their parents that they would have never said to theirs when they grew up.

The old always complain about the young? Even Plato did this in 300 B.C.'s. And again kids being punks is nothing new. Do you know a big argument for public school's being established? Because kids were out of control.

Just because spanking is no longer prevalent doesn't mean its the magic bullet answer. False correlation.

And again, there are many people who got spanked as kids who don't hate their parents who turned out to be good human beings.

Did I not just address this in my previous post?

I know that studies may side one way but you can't use a study to just assume things to be true for everyone who gets spanked.

I've said this is true for everyone who gets spanked? I literally said the exact opposite in my previous post. Also I've never seen a study that says that either. And studies that side one way? Its unanimous. Its a well fact in psychology. Its bare basic parenting psychology because of that thus in every single textbook.

So while solely spanking isn't okay, on the flip side there are many people who feel that any form of punishment will upset their kids and thus have their kids walk all over them and/or become brats.

Kids aren't brats because parents don't spank them, they're brats because parents aren't consistent with their punishments, because parents use TV to babysit, because parents don't set limits (like making sure they get good grades in school work), etc.. False correlations.

 

[akira28]

I wish this was true. The very first school that I taught in was a brand new school, second year it has been opened. It was in a district/community that was 5% White and everything else Black and Hispanic. Second year into the school and it already had problems with graffiti, holes in the walls, restrooms being destroyed (broken mirrors, sinks) you name it. It took only two years for the school to be turned into every other 30 year old broken down, destroyed school. It was depressing to see students literally trash a brand new school with brand new technology.

Where were the adults in this? I would blame all of them. What the fuck? Do people not know how to deal with kids anymore?

 

[Measley]

If hip hop culture was black culture then only blacks would be in hip hop, but as we can see that isn't the case. The black culture I was taught in the 90s had nothing to do with rap or having a baby's daddy. I guess you got taught wrong.

The difference is that other groups have stronger family units. Thus the only wealthy male the kid will see isn't just the rapper on the tv screen. Young males don't want to be like him, and young females don't want to date him.

 

[Londa]

What the black community has become sucks. You don't want those negative labels just because you are black, I understand that. But you are the minority in the black community therefore you can not define the culture UNLESS you got the majority of black people to follow your definition of what black culture it. It has nothing to do with being fair. That is what it is.

very stupid thinking.

I'm outta here. Both you and your buddy have warped minds. Sucks that one of you actually teach kids. Now they are even more worse off than before your buddy entered their lives.

 

[Dash27]

I'm assuming this has to be culture related too and imo part of the problem. Having a kid myself, if I had to do it alone it would be >>>>>>>> harder than with my wife. Not to mention her parents, my parents, sisters and brothers all helping from time to time. It's just a huge advantage to have that support system.

 

[The Lamp]

Is this really going to become a spanking thread?

I know kids who were physically disciplined their whole lives. Some turned out respectable, educated, polite and wonderful people, and others turned out to be completely bratty delinquents that don't respect authority.

I was never physically disciplined and I never slept around, got drunk, did drugs, smoked, got in trouble with the law, always kept good grades and I'm in college, so I don't think that physical discipline or spanking is a "one-size-fits-all" approach for handling your kids.

 

[royalan]

What the black community has become sucks. You don't want those negative labels just because you are black, I understand that. But you are the minority in the black community therefore you can not define the culture UNLESS you got the majority of black people to follow your definition of what black culture it. It has nothing to do with being fair. That is what it is.

Then what's your excuse for black people who are not only law abiding and successful, but have a deep love and respect for black culture? You know, like some of the people in this thread that you are grossly offending with your half-baked opinion that basically slams the entirety of black culture.

 

[SSJ1Goku]

If hip hop culture was black culture then only blacks would be in hip hop, but as we can see that isn't the case. The black culture I was taught in the 90s had nothing to do with rap or having a baby's daddy. I guess you got taught wrong.

It is about perception. Hip hop is seen as a black thing, that is how it is promoted and the majority of black people subscribe to that label. The issues in the black community have gotten much worse since the 90s Londa. Once again the top of the discussion was about the anti-intellectualism in the black community. Londa do you truly believe that the majority of black people know the black history that you teach in school? I'm not saying that black history does not exist but the modern black culture is one of niggerdom.

 

[Measley]

I'm assuming this has to be culture related too and imo part of the problem. Having a kid myself, if I had to do it alone it would be >>>>>>>> harder than with my wife. Not to mention her parents, my parents, sisters and brothers all helping from time to time. It's just a huge advantage to have that support system.

Once again, not surprised.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Is this really going to become a spanking thread?

I know kids who were physically disciplined their whole lives. Some turned out respectable, educated, polite and wonderful people, and others turned out to be completely bratty delinquents that don't respect authority.

I was never physically disciplined and I never slept around, got drunk, did drugs, smoked, got in trouble with the law, always kept good grades and I'm in college, so I don't think that physical discipline or spanking is a "one-size-fits-all" approach for handling your kids.

I don't care what hear-say says. For example when I was a child my grandma use to constantly hit me with her belt almost every time I misbehaved when I was at a very young age. I turned out perfectly fine. I only care what a vast majority of science says.

But I agree. I'll just bail out of this thread now.

 

[Kinitari]

Hmmm... I don't know, I don't give this -too- much thought, but I do have one anecdote. Me and my older sister are African, and growing up we sort of drifted down different paths - she identified heavily with black culture, and I did not.

She ended up falling into a bad crowd of friends, I know she's dealt with some very illegal stuff, and she has had all sorts of problems - even up till now. For example, her on and off boyfriend of 8 years has 3 kids, all younger than 8 years old, none of them hers. She's always upset and angry, always - always mad at someone or something, and it makes people exasperated just dealing with her. And plenty of other things, like one time I accidentally muled drugs on her behalf - that sort of shit.

Now I can't say this is entirely the fault of black culture, or black people - there are facets and groups who fall in the 'black culture' scene that don't have all these negative situations associated with them, and there are scenes in other cultures that do - I guess all I am saying is, seeing something like that - seeing that path split between us, a part of me can't help but wonder what would have happened if had stayed away from the culture - the music, the clothes - would she have had a better life, or would she have gravitated toward a different equally destructive group, because that's just her nature?

 

[SSJ1Goku]

I'm not black, I'm saying this as a complete outsider but someone who is well aware of the issues given where I live. Still I find it insulting how you and Measely come across on these issues.

There is a difference between "how it should be" and "how it is." Don't confuse the two.

 

[Devolution]

There is a difference between "how it should be" and "how it is." Don't confuse the two.

Don't fucking patronize me with your horseshit.