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... issued by China. This is going to be fun. I hope all the political heads of GAF will join in.


BEIJING, March 9 (Xinhuanet)-- China issued Thursday the Human Rights Record of the United States in 2005 in response to the Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2005 issued by the U.S. State Department on Wednesday.

Released by the Information Office of China's State Council, the Chinese report listed a multitude of cases to show the serious violations of human rights both in and outside the United States.

"As in previous years, the U.S. State Department pointed the finger at human rights situations in more than 190 countries and regions (including China) but kept silent on the violations of human rights in the United States," says the document.

To help people realize the true features of this self-styled "guardian of human rights," it is necessary to probe into the human rights abuses in the United States in 2005, it says.

This is the seventh consecutive year that China has issued human rights record of the United States to answer the U.S. State Department annual report.

The report contains more than 14,500 Chinese characters and is divided into seven parts: on life and security of person, on infringements upon human rights by law enforcement and judicial organs, on political rights and freedom, on economic, social and cultural rights, on racial discrimination, on rights of women and children and on the United States' violation of human rights in other countries.

"For a long time, the life and security of the people of the United States has not been under efficient protection, and American society is characterized with rampant violent crimes," says the document.

The U.S. Justice Department reported on Sept. 25, 2005 that there were 5,182,670 violent crimes in the United States in 2004.

And there were 21.4 victims for every 1,000 people aged 12 and older, which amounts to about one violent crime victim for every 47 U.S. residents.

"There exist serious infringements upon personal rights and freedoms by law enforcement and judicial organs in the United States," says the record.


Secret snooping is prevalent and illegal detention occurs from time to time. The recently disclosed Snoopgate scandal has aroused keen attention of the public in the United States, according to the record.

After the Sept. 11 Attacks, the U.S. President has for dozens of times authorized the National Security Agency and other departments to wiretap some domestic phone calls.

With this authorization, the National Security Agency may conduct surveillance over phone calls and e-mails of 500 U.S. citizens at a time.

The document quotes media reports as saying that from 2002 through 2004, there were at least 287 cases in which the FBI agents were suspected of illegally conducting electronic surveillance.


On Jan. 9, 2006, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection announced that in the "anti-terrorism" fight, the U.S. customs has the right to open and inspect incoming private letters, which again sparked protests, according to the record.

"Police abuse is also very common in the United States," the report notes.

It quotes a report of the Los Angeles Times on July 14, 2005 as saying that Los Angeles police shot dead the 19-month-old daughter of a suspect when trying to arrest the suspect, which triggered public outcry.

And according to an AP story, on Oct. 9, five New Orleans police officers battered a 64-year-old retired teacher on the street while trying to arrest him, and he suffered injuries.

As the prisons in the U.S. were packed, the situation of prisoners worsened, according to the record.

During Hurricane Katrina, between Aug. 29 and Sept. 1, 2005, correctional officers from the New Orleans Sheriff's Department abandoned 600 inmates in a prison, as many were immersed in chest and neck level water and left without food, water, electricity, fresh air, or functioning facilities for four days and nights.

"The United States has always boasted itself as the 'model of democracy' and hawked its mode of democracy to the rest of the world. In fact, American 'democracy' is always one for the wealthy and a 'game for the rich'," says the report.

During the mayoral election of New York City in November 2005, billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg spent 77.89 million U.S. dollars of his fortune for re-election. That came to more than 100U.S. dollars per vote.

The election was termed by the Associated Press as the most expensive mayoral re-election in history.

The United States is the world's richest country, however, it maintains the highest poverty rate among developed countries.

A study of eight advanced countries by the London School of Economics in 2005 found that the United States had the worst social inequality.

The poverty rate of the United States is the highest in the developed world and more than twice as high as in most other industrialized countries, the record quotes a report of Newsweek magazine as saying.

The United States is a multi-ethnic nation of immigrants, with minority ethnic groups accounting for more than one-fourth of its population. But racial discrimination has long been a chronic malady of American society, says the record.

According to The State of Black America 2005, the income level of African American families is only one-tenth of that of white families, and the welfare enjoyed by black Americans is only three-fourth of their white counterparts.

The United States does not have a good record in safeguarding rights of women and children, says the document.

A survey by the U.S. Census Bureau said the median earnings of women and men in 2004 were 31,223 and 40,798 U.S. dollars, respectively. The female-to-male earnings ratio was 77 percent.

In terms of the child poverty index, the United States ranked next to the last among 22 developed nations in the world.

"Pursuing unilateralism on the international arena, the U.S. government grossly violates the sovereignty and human rights of other countries in contempt of universally-recognized international norms," the report notes.

The U.S. government frequently commits wanton slaughters of innocents in its war efforts and military operations in other countries, it says.

The USA Today newspaper on Dec. 13, 2005 quoted a 2004 study published in the medical journal The Lancet as saying that it was estimated that about 100,000 Iraqis, mostly women and children, had died in the Iraqi war launched by the U.S. government in 2003.

In 2005, news of prisoner abuse by the U.S. forces again hit headlines, following their 2004 prisoner abuse scandal that stunned the world.

The record quotes media reports as saying that to extract information, the U.S. forces in Iraq employed various kinds of torture in their interrogations.

They abused the Iraqi detainees systematically, including sleep deprivation, tying them to the wall, hitting them with baseball bats, denying their access to water and food, forcing them to listen to extremely loud music in completely dark places for days running, unleashing dogs to bite them for amusement and even scaring them by putting them in the same cage with lions.

"For years, the U.S. government has ignored and concealed deliberately serious violations of human rights in its own country for fear of criticism, "says the report.

Yet it has issued annual reports making unwarranted charges on human rights practices of other countries, an act that fully exposes its hypocrisy and double standard on human rights issues, which has naturally met with strong resistance and opposition from other countries, the record notes.

"We urge the U.S. government to look squarely at its own human rights problems, reflect what it has done in the human rights field and take concrete measures to improve its own human rights status," it says.

"The U.S. government should stop provoking international confrontation on the issue of human rights, and make a fresh start to contribute more to international human rights cooperation and to the healthy development of international human rights cause," the report concludes.
 

genjiZERO

Member
China on human rights? It's not like they don't have a point though. The US is starting to become terrible on the issue.
 

Escape Goat

Member
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KingGondo

Banned
Such bullshit. Of course there have been abuses and questionable cases, but we're talking about China here. The US certainly isn't perfect, but this is like Hitler saying, "but there's anti-semitism and racial prejudice in America, too!" No comparison here. Most of the instances cited by the report aren't even "human rights" issues anyway, just examples of social inequality and isolated incidents of police abuse.
 
KingGondo said:
Most of the instances cited by the report aren't even "human rights" issues anyway, just examples of social inequality and isolated incidents of police abuse.

I beg to differ.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
If we all were honest with ourselves we'd at the very least dwell on the feasibility of such things, no matter the messenger. This is in line with the brief back and forth JayDubya and myself had yesterday about the non-aligned nations gathering.

Edit: also, didn't China just censor foreign press even more recently:

Taipei, Sept. 13 (CNA) Beijing's recent decision to restrict domestic news circulation by foreign media is a sign indicating press freedoms are going backwards in China, a Cabinet official said Wednesday.

According to a new set of rules published Sunday by China's Xinhua News Agency, any foreign news agencies should obtain approval from Xinhua before circulating news in China. They cannot develop subscribers in China directly but should be represented by agents designated by Xinhua.

According to the rules, Xinhua also has the right to select news circulated by foreign news agencies in China, which also applies to news agencies from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau.

Cabinet spokesman Cheng Wen-tsan said China's move will hamper the free flow of information and suppress the expression of public opinion, which he said would impede social progress and development.

Cheng pointed out that China has not only imposed censorship on news but has also blocked online news sites operated by Taiwan's media, including the China Times, United Daily News, Liberty Times, Apply Daily and Ettoday.

China has also imposed controls over online search engines by screening out a lot of sensitive terms and restricting the release of books and magazines in China, Cheng noted.

He said all these practices go against the trend of democracy and human rights, which have raised concerns for the United States and news organizations in Taiwan.
 

zon

Member
KingGondo said:
The US certainly isn't perfect, but this is like Hitler saying, "but there's anti-semitism and racial prejudice in America, too!"

:lol

That would cover the US report as well then, fission mailed!


Someone get a comparison of the US and China regarding human rights over the last 50 years, for good measure :D
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
A chinaman pissed on my rug. It really tied the room together. That's a violation if you ask me.
 

KingGondo

Banned
Instigator said:
I beg to differ.

The US has a better human rights record than China on every front. Government intrusions upon privacy, the accidental killing of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and police abuse are scrutinized by a free press, leading to oversight and fewer instances of these abuses. This "report" does little else except harp on problems that are already in the national consciousness of the US--Katrina, police violence, the poverty rate, wire-tapping, the war in Iraq, etc.

This entire report is simply propaganda to get reactionary idiots to think, "gee--they're right! America isn't any better than China when it comes to human rights!" Of course we are. Certainly not perfect, but a damn sight better than the Chinese.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
zon said:
Someone get a comparison of the US and China regarding human rights over the last 50 years, for good measure

Not a comparision to China, arguably as biased a source as China depending on your view, but worth a quick read anyway (it's like 60 pages or something):

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Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I don't think we can compete with the Cultural Revolution. Also China tells women what do do with their bodies which we haven't done since the 70s. And rolling over people with tanks. And lord don't let a Falun Gong person get going or you'll still be listening 45 minutes later.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Instigator said:
Yes!!! I knew this was the perfect bait for Guileless!
I really started hating China when Yao lost me the GAF Fantasy title with his season-ending injury during the fantasy playoffs. I do love General Tsao's Chicken though.
 
The nation that glorifies a monster that slaughtered 70 million people is now criticizing others for having bad human rights records?

That is rich.

P.S. The only thing Noam Chomsky's books are good for is if you run out of toilet paper and you have the book nearby.
 
Guileless said:
I really started hating China when Yao lost me the GAF Fantasy title with his season-ending injury during the fantasy playoffs. I do love General Tsao's Chicken though.

Head over to the mummy in the attic topic, there's something there just for you! :)
 

ronito

Member
bob_arctor said:
Not a comparision to China, arguably as biased a source as China depending on your view, but worth a quick read anyway (it's like 60 pages or something):

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Oh bob. First 1984 now Chomsky?
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
ronito said:
Oh bob. First 1984 now Chomsky?

:lol My bad, I'll stop reading from now on. Actually no, that's too strong. Just recommend to me what I should be reading. Enlighten me, please, so I won't come off like the virgin wannabe socialist (or is that anarchist?) that cliche college dropouts tell me I should be! How about this one: "The Free and the Unfree: A Progressive History of the United States"--David Noble, Pete Caroll--I hear good things. Good, typical, things. :D


Also: Orwell's a no-go as well? Yeesh. "Homage To Catalonia" is the shit!
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Attack the messenger! Attack the messenger! It doesn't matter that what China is saying is actually true, does it? Nope, attack the messenger! Deflect attention! PEACE.
 

Meier

Member
Article says it's from March 9th... no wonder, it was before they brutally captured and tortured Jack Bauer. :|
 

KingGondo

Banned
Meier said:
Article says it's from March 9th... no wonder, it was before they brutally captured and tortured Jack Bauer. :|

They think they know about human rights abuses? Abusing human rights is Jack Bauer's specialty. They'll have a right to complain as soon as Jack is unleashed. :D
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Pimpwerx said:
Attack the messenger! Attack the messenger! It doesn't matter that what China is saying is actually true, does it? Nope, attack the messenger! Deflect attention! PEACE.

Say something stupid and miss the point entirely! Add nothing to the thread! Use exclamation points for attention whoring!
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Guileless said:
Say something stupid and miss the point entirely! Add nothing to the thread! Use exclamation points for attention whoring!

This is easily the most coherent thing you've said since your beef with Mandark and I thank you for that. *hums Welcome Back Kotter theme*
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
I meant to make a coherent thread about how SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters DS got delayed until 2007 but I thought people might laugh at me through the ether via emotocons.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Guileless said:
I meant to make a coherent thread about how SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters DS got delayed until 2007 but I thought people might laugh at me through the ether via emotocons.

Damn you! *runs aways in tears*
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Guileless said:
Say something stupid and miss the point entirely! Add nothing to the thread! Use exclamation points for attention whoring!
How'd I miss the point? Instead of debating the claims made by this Chinese report, we're hearing about China's human rights violations instead, which we already know about. The message is every bit as valid as if it was stamped by the US government. I don't see what the point of all the deflection is. Did I miss something that caused the original detour from the original point of the article? It just looked to me like the usual suspects coming in and causing a distraction to deflect from the fact that the US's track record on human rights is looking awful dodgy lately. PEACE>
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
The point is that you could spend the rest of your life reading and discussing thoughtful, good-faith critiques of American society and its many ills. The Chinese government released this propoganda in order to make dumbasses like Pimpwerx and zon say "ooooohhh burn." The fact that it works is what's interesting, not the substance of the report.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
Guileless said:
The point is that you could spend the rest of your life reading and discussing thoughtful, good-faith critiques of American society and its many ills. The Chinese government released this propoganda in order to make dumbasses like Pimpwerx and zon say "ooooohhh burn." The fact that it works is what's interesting, not the substance of the report.

Of course, none of that thoughtful critiqueing has happened in this thread (guilty as charged) and you'd also have to acknowledge the automatic "shut-off" still apparent in many people in re: to these sorts of subjects, even when China isn't the only messenger.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Eagerly awaiting Chinese critiques on our environmental record.

Unfortunately, few countries are criticizing the Chinese on the subject to prompt them to write their own report of others.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Of course China is been hypocritical...

but all the same, for a country that thinks itself the defender of justice, freedom and all good qualities of the world...

America has a pretty appaling personal record.

Moreover, it's instructive that the lack of social equality, which is shocking to some cultures is just passed off as Americans as something like... high oil prices or some such.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Think about it this way: there are no human rights organizations or hippie agitators in China. (Ok, there's a few famous ones in prison but not many.) There are no religious leaders to speak out on human rights. The Politburo does not give a shit what Amnesty International or the UN says about Tibet or political prisoners or infanticide or anything else. The only substantive pressure on China's human rights compliance is American Most Favored Nation trade status and entree into groups like the G-8.

That's the reason this report exists. China doesn't really care if anyone else criticizes them, but the US government can affect their bottom line. They have a vested interest in undermining critiques of their system to the point where politicians throw their hands up and say, "who cares what they do, we can't handcuff our corporations and keep them out of the world's biggest market."

If you have walking around sense and are aware that 1 billion Chinese people have a fraction of the personal freedom that we do, you shouldn't care what China says about human rights. If you want to glory in American comeuppance without regard to the consequences of doing so, then by all means discuss China's conclusions about American human right deficiencies.
 
ToxicAdam said:
Eagerly awaiting Chinese critiques on our environmental record.

:lol

If this succeeds, we'll get one on the next oil spill.

One of the good things about the white-glove treatment of America's mores is it's out in the open and what is attempted to be hid is searched for. Now China, you could have thousands upon thousands marching and being brutalized by police protesting environmental/corruption/political crackdown, and you wouldn't get feeds out of it except a blurb in the BBC or some incognito Mandarin-language blog.
 
Guileless said:
A chinaman pissed on my rug. It really tied the room together. That's a violation if you ask me.
****in' A, man.

:lol :lol
bob_arctor said:
:lol My bad, I'll stop reading from now on. Actually no, that's too strong. Just recommend to me what I should be reading. Enlighten me, please, so I won't come off like the virgin wannabe socialist (or is that anarchist?) that cliche college dropouts tell me I should be! How about this one: "The Free and the Unfree: A Progressive History of the United States"--David Noble, Pete Caroll--I hear good things. Good, typical, things. :D


Also: Orwell's a no-go as well? Yeesh. "Homage To Catalonia" is the shit!
Read Michael Savage
 
The point isn't that Bush's America is worse than China, the point is that he has depraved the country and it's moral standing to the that China could issue a report like that with a straight face.

America has *zero* moral authority left in the world (that's what really won the cold war folks), all that's left is military authority, and that's not working out so well even in a shitstain of country like Iraq.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
China has done this since the first Clinton Administration, when President Clinton explicitly linked MFN status to human rights improvements. Review their rhetoric about the Bosnian war; it is identical to what they said about Iraq. This has been the Chinese state media's line for a long time, it has nothing to do with Iraq. You can choose to take it more seriously now, but that doesn't change their motives or intentions. Interesting background here.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
mamacint said:
The point isn't that Bush's America is worse than China, the point is that he has depraved the country and it's moral standing to the point that China could issue a report like that with a straight face.

America has *zero* moral authority left in the world (that's what really won the cold war folks), all that's left is military authority, and that's not working out so well even in a shitstain of country like Iraq.

It's impossible for China to issue something like this with a straight face; it's obviously gamesmanship: a "kicking someone when they're down" kind of thing (this has been made easier by the Bush regime). But here's the thing, and it's a beautiful thing: We can all say "Hey, shut the f.ukk up China", acknowledging exactly what Guileless, in a rare moment of sweet lucidity, stated:

Sane Guileless said:
If you have walking around sense and are aware that 1 billion Chinese people have a fraction of the personal freedom that we do, you shouldn't care what China says about human rights.

while still also also examing our record regardless.

It's the best of both worlds and it's feelin' good. :)
 
KingGondo said:
Such bullshit. Of course there have been abuses and questionable cases, but we're talking about China here. The US certainly isn't perfect, but this is like Hitler saying, "but there's anti-semitism and racial prejudice in America, too!" No comparison here. Most of the instances cited by the report aren't even "human rights" issues anyway, just examples of social inequality and isolated incidents of police abuse.

But that would have been the truth...!?

Of course this is China and of course after all is said and done this was a political move, but it's not like they completely missed the point. This is what you get when you start a war against international law, have prisons in other countries where people don't have any rights, sell weapons to keep wars in Africa going and all these things (and btw. this is not limited to the USA, you will find tons of crazy things happening in more or less every big western country).
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Guileless said:
The point is that you could spend the rest of your life reading and discussing thoughtful, good-faith critiques of American society and its many ills. The Chinese government released this propoganda in order to make dumbasses like Pimpwerx and zon say "ooooohhh burn." The fact that it works is what's interesting, not the substance of the report.
At least I address the content of the "propoganda" and don't just attack the messenger. At least show some belief in what you stand for, if you stand for something. No shit it's a pr move by China. Much like the continued slagging of China, Cuba and Iran over some of the same shit we do ourselves is nothing more than a pr move from our administration. At no point did/will I ever deny that. But you're either blinded by patriotism, or just too full of yourself to acknowledge that *gasp* China might be pointing out the utter hypocrisy in our government. Yeah, we *might* be better off than people in China, but there are relative levels of shit, and just b/c you're the lesser piece of crap doesn't make it anything to celebrate.

Let's not get all defensive and rally around the flag like this info from China is fooling anyone. No one here is being fooled, but some of you are acting downright foolish. As I said before, you and others are attacking the messenger despite validity of the message. At least grow some ****ing sack for once in your goddamn life, Guileless. Stop with the bullshit strawmen. PEACE.
 
What won the cold war was the anti-Stalinism movement. After Stalin's vicious rule, communist nations slowly turned to moderate reform, which included virtual capitalism.

You could go even further with Lenin's New Economic Plan of 1922. Stalin abolished it not too long afterwards but it basically was the first communist to capitalist move.

Had nothing to do with upstanding morality. Let's not forget Agent Orange, Kissinger's war in Laos and Cambodia that killed 950,000 people, Senator McCarthy, various CIA backed coups throughout the world. In fact, I'd say the actions done by the US during this 1950-1990 reign was far worse than what we are seeing now with Iraq. It has just been more publicized and less popular. Doesn't mean it was worse.

China though is just using PR spin. After all, one of the leaders didn't proclaim that half of the nation of China should die because he wanted to import grain to use for nuclear weaponry. Or using enough grain to feed 2-3 million people to do missile tests. This guy is worshipped in China and all of Mao's successors adopt many similar thoughts of people, just not as extreme as it was.

Of course, like people have been saying, its just kicking the guy when they're down. Anyone with a functioning brain cell should know its pure hypocrisy.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
You see what happens to me bob? I've got people cussing me and telling me I have no sack in a discussion about human rights. The irony is amusing, but I think I'll stick to hyping up Ar Tonelico and posting demands that Speedball be unlockable in Marvel Ultimate Alliance.
 
Guileless said:
You see what happens to me bob? I've got people cussing me and telling me I have no sack in a discussion about human rights. The irony is amusing, but I think I'll stick to hyping up Ar Tonelico and posting demands that Speedball be unlockable in Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

But you call people dumbasses first. Don't go complaining when you are replied to in kind.
 

zon

Member
Guileless said:
The point is that you could spend the rest of your life reading and discussing thoughtful, good-faith critiques of American society and its many ills. The Chinese government released this propoganda in order to make dumbasses like Pimpwerx and zon say "ooooohhh burn." The fact that it works is what's interesting, not the substance of the report.

Oh yeah, it's awful that I don't ignore how dodgy the US has become simply because China is worse. How stupid of me, I'll go raise the US flag and yell "**** those chinese mother****ers, God bless America" to repent.
 

bionic77

Member
mamacint said:
The point isn't that Bush's America is worse than China, the point is that he has depraved the country and it's moral standing to the that China could issue a report like that with a straight face.

America has *zero* moral authority left in the world (that's what really won the cold war folks), all that's left is military authority, and that's not working out so well even in a shitstain of country like Iraq.

Moral authority is overrated. :D

America is being way too aggressive these days. I mean we did just invade and occupy two countries in the last five years and we might be going for the trifecta soon (Iran). It is kind of hard to spin that. If this was China that was invading other countries everyone here would be quick to point out how evil they were for doing so and laughing at the justifications they gave to their public.
 
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