Shining Sunshine
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Whoa, the Fireland sounds like a super cool raid.rallaren said:
Blizzcon Discussion thread of "you made how many billion?"
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The Lamonster
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Well I'm pumped.
Except kinda annoyed that they're taking mana away from hunters.
Except kinda annoyed that they're taking mana away from hunters.
Fucking pissed at Blizzard/RayV. So, get this. The stream worked fine until right after WoW: Cataclysm was announced. I've been stuck at a black "buffering" screen since then. Missed the rest of the live Blizzcon coverage. Can't even watch the coverage via the On Demand page, same result there as well.
Oh & RayV's "Technical Support" sucks huge amounts of shit. They went through a list of things for me to try & I was like "look, I already told you that I did all of those things & nothing worked". Tried rebooting, changing browsers, changing the stream quality, removing & then reinstalling the RayV plugin. Nothing worked.
Fucking pissed that I wasted $40 on just a "buffering" screen. Sent them an email asking for a refund. Anyone else have any major problems with the stream?
Oh & RayV's "Technical Support" sucks huge amounts of shit. They went through a list of things for me to try & I was like "look, I already told you that I did all of those things & nothing worked". Tried rebooting, changing browsers, changing the stream quality, removing & then reinstalling the RayV plugin. Nothing worked.
Fucking pissed that I wasted $40 on just a "buffering" screen. Sent them an email asking for a refund. Anyone else have any major problems with the stream?
Tamanon said:
I hope. Hopefully I'll still get the Grunty WoW Pet. I've grown kinda fond of the little guy. Was messing around in the Wow Model Viewer. He's got some pretty funny animations :lol He's got a death animation where his body explodes in a green blast & his armor collapses/ crumbles to the ground. Kinda cool. Hopefully I'll get an email back from Blizzard/RayV/DirecTV in the next few days. Is there anything on the stream site that says how long the "On Demand" will be up & running?
jim-jam bongs
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LAUGHTREY said:
Worgen are brought into the Alliance by the Night Elves.
SatelliteOfLove
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Milpool said:
Shoulda went with a Capcom treatment:
Maybe a little Fu-rin-ka-zan music in the background, heh.
jim-jam bongs
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traveler said:
A question to you and all the people saying this; do you pay attention to the story in WoW at all when you play?
I'm genuinely curious, because I do find the lore interesting, and like keeping up with why we're killing some guy (and not just what colour the fire I need to avoid is). My reaction to the changed Azeroth was unreserved excitement.
jim-jam bongs said:
I would bet most ppl just skip all text and follow the glowing arrow to the next quest mob.....i loved the lore in WoW right up untill they made Horde pallies and Allliance Shamman......WTF? SO after that i gave up on it becasue it seems they can just do w/e the hell they want nowdays
I don't see what wanting better environments has to do with lore, but yes, I read quest, own all the books, collect the comics (+ Sunwell Trilogy) and played the whole series.
And I want the game to get more meaningful enhancements than a split in the barrens and grass textures in Desolace.
And I want the game to get more meaningful enhancements than a split in the barrens and grass textures in Desolace.
Shining Sunshine
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Do you know why the barrens is split in half and Desolace is growing grass?Lyphen said:
I'm sure you done the Maraudon instance, and Deathwing left behind a wake of destruction as he flew from his hiding place to Grim Batol.
If undead can be priests, why can't the horde be paladins?KaYotiX said:
Grass in Desolace is because the mainland grew a crack and water from the coast was drawn into the Kodo Graveyard. Grass in the Barens is because of Naralex's dream. Wetland's destruction is because of Deathwing.
As for Maraudon, it shows a demon over the corpse of a Maraudine centaur, so who knows what happened there. Blizzard hasn't mentioned it.
Does wanting the game to look better require a quiz?
As for Maraudon, it shows a demon over the corpse of a Maraudine centaur, so who knows what happened there. Blizzard hasn't mentioned it.
Does wanting the game to look better require a quiz?
ILOVEASIANS
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I was pretty skeptical about the whole expansion at first after hearing the rumors. But now, I might just have to re-activate for this, and start the whole cycle all over.
Son of Godzilla
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Fire and water effects in the game have always been terrible. Also I doubt a dinky internet stream is the best looking thing ever.EvaPlusMinus said:
Shining Sunshine
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And you ask if there are meaningful reasons to the terrain changes?Lyphen said:
Kind of answered your own question, and if you are looking for more reason, then you'd have to play it.
It's like everyone use to make fun of blood elves from space for Burning Crusade, but if they played as a blood elf and gone through the lore, they should know it was completely justified.
jim-jam bongs
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Lyphen said:
You ask what lore has to do with "wanting better environments" and then answer your own question. And then you group your criticism under "wanting the game to look better" which is gloriously nebulous and undefinable.
I'm just curious what it would take to make you happy with Cataclysm. For me, as a lore-nerd closet-RP-er, just the advancement of a whole bunch of storylines is exciting enough, and the visual changes to the places that my toons have been hanging our for 4 years will inform that lore-fest whether they look as they do now or "better".
In general though, I'll admit that Blizzard (and Valve) are developers who get the benefit of the doubt from me when it comes to these things. So I'd also point out that we've seen roughly 30 seconds of footage of the new Azeroth; not nearly enough to start deciding if the world has been changed enough for your tastes.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
jim-jam bongs said:
You have reading comprehension problems. I didn't say anything about how they were brought into the alliance or they were too savage for the 'good guys'. I knew they would at least give a good explanation, but they're humans with a problem. If it was the Worgen from the other dimension which are Worgen 100% of the time then maybe.
It would be like them having two races for Green orc/Brown orc. Or Night elf/highbourne and the highbourne are exactly the same as Nelfs. It's not different enough.
Interfectum
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LAUGHTREY said:
You can choose to stay in "wolfman" form while in non-combat and you are forced into "wolfman" form while in combat. How is that at all like a simple color swap? Stupid comparison.
Interfectum
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LAUGHTREY said:
You CAN walk around as a human, but you also can walk around as a wolf. It's the only race in WoW that can do that.
jim-jam bongs
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LAUGHTREY said:
I was directly responding to your comment that Worgen durids make no sense, and explaining why Worgen durids is not the same thing as human durids. You have "not being a dick because I'm on the internet" problems.
jim-jam and Sunshine, I don't think either of you really get what traveler or myself were getting at. We want more enhancements to Azeroth. "Azeroth re-forged" should mean more. That doesn't need lore reasons.
I want Stonetalon to look like a mountain, and not like someone took a terrain builder tool and pulled up lumps over lumps. I want flying over Wetlands to Dun Morogh to look great, like the cliff walls of the Storm Peaks. I want the trees in Feralas and Ashenvale to look like more than sticks with textured ovals up top.
I want the rest of Azeroth to get the same texture and terrain upgrades as Gilneas and the Lost Isles are getting. There's no lore involved here. I have no idea how the conversation got to this.
KareBear: From MMO-Champion, centaur. As from Wetlands, that's just my speculation, but Cataclysm maps show Black Dragonflight territory moving into the Wetlands and far over Grim Batol.
I want Stonetalon to look like a mountain, and not like someone took a terrain builder tool and pulled up lumps over lumps. I want flying over Wetlands to Dun Morogh to look great, like the cliff walls of the Storm Peaks. I want the trees in Feralas and Ashenvale to look like more than sticks with textured ovals up top.
I want the rest of Azeroth to get the same texture and terrain upgrades as Gilneas and the Lost Isles are getting. There's no lore involved here. I have no idea how the conversation got to this.
KareBear: From MMO-Champion, centaur. As from Wetlands, that's just my speculation, but Cataclysm maps show Black Dragonflight territory moving into the Wetlands and far over Grim Batol.
jim-jam bongs
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Lyphen said:
The conversation got to this simply because of a misunderstanding it appears. For myself I took your comments about wanting Azeroth to look better to mean that you were expecting more radical changes to the landscape. Hence my response implying that there would need to be a lore justification for any extensive changes.
I completely agree that it would be awesome if the whole old world got boosted to the level of Northrend. Still, my comment about waiting and seeing still holds; there were a few shots of the classic remodel where it did look like they were changing the landscape as well as boosting the detail to me.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
:lol :loljim-jam bongs said:
That makes even LESS sense, druidism isn't something that a race just gets overnight like the worgen apparently have. They were a human nation until very recently.
The Night Elves first came into contact with the Draenei, by your logic they should also be druids.
SatelliteOfLove
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Lyphen said:
Note the demon-worshipping badniks there. I've done that zone 3 times, and dont recall any of them wiping out any of them but the leader of that one place in the middle (the elite). Also, that Centaur Pariah could become a lore hero of his people like he said he was, and would remember us for helping us with that thing he wanted out of maruadon. Writes itself.
Littleberu
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KaYotiX said:
Well, Blizzard created.... oh nevermind.
jim-jam bongs
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LAUGHTREY said:
Night Elves will be bringing the Worgen into the Alliance. That isn't to say that everyone Night Elves meet is magically granted the ability to become a durid, simply that you can bet that it will be explained.
WowWiki said:
And perhaps also... Darnassian durids? Maybe that fact that the Alliance Worgen aren't savage killers also has something to do with their newfound duridic ways. Malfurion Stormrage is appearing in Cataclysm too, so that may have something to do with it as well.
My logic is simply reminding you that a lot of things haven't been revealed yet, and you and a lot of other people are jumping to all kinds of conclusions and basing your criticisms on them. Which is kind of silly.
Trax416 said:
Also this. The Worgen summoning weapon is called the Scythe of Elune for crying out loud. And the trailer has a line about old alliances being rekindled; Velinde Starsong is coming back. Maybe she has been in Gilneas all this time?
Things like that make me glad Blizz's next MMO is a new IP. Sure it's their lore and sure they can "invent" ways to make things plausible, but all it does is dilute an already watered down story.
With a new IP they can build the story around a MMO gameplay and not the other way around.
With a new IP they can build the story around a MMO gameplay and not the other way around.
What I think Laughtrey is trying to say is that the playable worgen are not technically a new race. They are humans who just happen to be cursed with a worgen form.
I'm guessing thats how blizzard is going to excuse the fact that these humans/worgen can be druids, but the normal humans can't. Being able to control there worgen state somehow allows them to easily transition into other transformations = worgen druids.
I'm guessing thats how blizzard is going to excuse the fact that these humans/worgen can be druids, but the normal humans can't. Being able to control there worgen state somehow allows them to easily transition into other transformations = worgen druids.
BattleMonkey
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Seems like things are far along on this already with how much they are showing especially on the floor of the show. Will this be early 2010 or they gonna hold it till around the Holidays?
Lostconfused
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No they excused it by sayingkilongs said:
"In fact, more recent evidence suggests that their true origin might have a connection to the night elves and a secretive druidic order from Kalimdor's distant past."
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yanhero said:
Well the idea is that if the writer knows how the story ends or at least the general direction that it will go. Then there is a smaller chance of the stupid plot holes being written and other things that make the story look like its just a bunch of different pieces held together by a bit of tape.
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jim-jam bongs
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kilongs said:
I am aware of what he's trying to say, however I and other people are simply pointing out that characterising Worgen as just another human faction is asinine. There is ample basis in the lore for them to explain the durid thing, and the very same information makes the "lol wergens r hoomans" thing seem even more silly.
Even if it's purely complaining about the cosmetic aspect, they've already said that if you want to be a wolfman all the time you can. And from the screens they aren't like durid forms, you will be able to see your gear. If anything, it's more like the Worgen race has a human form, not the other way around.
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