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KaYotiX said:
I love the lore. Still I would rather they do that than use lore as a justification for design decisions that cause gameplay problems like an entire faction not getting BoK.
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I love the lore. Still I would rather they do that than use lore as a justification for design decisions that cause gameplay problems like an entire faction not getting BoK.
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Lostconfused said:
These aren't Wrogen, these are humans with the Worgen infection. Worgen come from a different plane of existence, a different realm, a different world, whatever you wanna call it. You guys need to keep up if you're going to argue stuff like this, I'm a nerd like you've never seen and I'll argue semantics all day.
Worgen summoned by the scythe can probably easily be druids, wow.com has a good article about how that can be false though since they caused more harm than good.
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KaYotiX said:
Tauren Paladins? What fuck...
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LAUGHTREY said:
And we still know nothing about the place they come from, so perhaps they have two forms there as well but are trapped in their wolf form on Azeroth. I'm keeping up fine btw, thanks for being concerned
LAUGHTREY said:
You're just getting into a nebulous area now. We've already seen human characters that can transform into Worgen, and they've always been called Worgen in the game. The pedigree stands, and if the only reason you won't accept it is because Blizzard won't call them "half-Worgen" or something unnecessary like that, then the problem really is on you.
You know what playable humans affected by the Scourge are? Undead (or Forsaken, as they call themselves).
The only argument I see that you have to stand on is the fact that, when not transformed, they essentially use the Human character models. But if that's honestly an issue for you, you can always, 100% of the time, walk around in your transformed state.
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Belfast said:
While personally I'm not too fussed, it may be worth making the Gilnean humans look a bit different.
Considering the isolation, perhaps evidence of inbreeding would be appropriate.
Only problem is that it means making assets for both forms' gear or removing gear from the wolf form; one of which doubles the additional work involved in introducing the new race, and the other of which would be very unpopular.
jim-jam bongs said:While personally I'm not too fussed, it may be worth making the Gilnean humans look a bit different.Considering the isolation, perhaps evidence of inbreeding would be appropriate.
Only problem is that it means making assets for both forms' gear or removing gear from the wolf form; one of which doubles the additional work involved in introducing the new race, and the other of which would be very unpopular.
I don't completely disagree, but I'm not sure about in-breeding. I'm not sure Gilneas has been closed up for quite long enough to see evidence of that! Still, I love the gothic Victorian vibe the country has going on. I think we just need to see several variations of mutton chops.
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Tamanon said:
:lol
I play Alliance and it's always so sad to take part in one of the most exciting moments in WoW with Cletus Wrynn and Brandine Proudmoore. Rolling through Undercity with Thrall and Sylvanas must be much cooler.
Belfast said:
Maybe the werewolf change makes them a little randy
You're right though, according to official timelines it's only about a decade. Adding different chops and Victorian hairstyles to the barber for Gilneans' human forms would be perfect; monocles would be the ultimate WoW accessory.
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Garona and Medivh's love child has the ability to harness shamanistic, arcane, and holy powers. Med'an is gonna be a bad ass. 8DBelfast said:
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Garona having a kid is so fuckin stupid.
going off WoW for a second...
does anyone think that the paid custom maps/mods in battle.net2 could be a really great business opportunity?
think of the user base playing SC2. now think of the % of people from that number that would avidly play mods like DotA. hundreds of thousands of people? say you get $1 per person from that subset.... that's nothing to sneeze at.
i for one will be getting heavily involved in the mod scene for SC2.
does anyone think that the paid custom maps/mods in battle.net2 could be a really great business opportunity?
think of the user base playing SC2. now think of the % of people from that number that would avidly play mods like DotA. hundreds of thousands of people? say you get $1 per person from that subset.... that's nothing to sneeze at.
i for one will be getting heavily involved in the mod scene for SC2.
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Where exactly did they confirm that races can switch factions in WoW?
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Scrow said:
He means that a large market doesn't automatically equate to similarly large sales.
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KaYotiX said:
Priceless.
Quoted for posterity.
Consider the community though. It's PC gamers. Mods and levels, in fact all user generated content has up until this point been free. It's most likely that DoTA was only popular because it was free.Scrow said:
Pay for custom maps can really hurt a multiplayer game. Mostly because they segregate parts of the community. What's the likelihood you'll even be able to charge for a multiplayer SC2 map when you can't count on a whole group owning the map? A lot of modders/mappers have a hard enough time getting their product out there and noticed by the public even when it's free. The usefulness and viability of a marketplace for user created content seems severely limited.
It's just...dumb.
Okay, but how many DotA's are there in the War3 mod scene? (And this is in a FREE market)Scrow said:
The thing I really like about this pay model though is that it might encourage mod makers to actually finish their projects.
And I'll gladly pay for the good ones.Well, thinking about the fact that there are/were dozens of Hunters, Tower Defense, Heroes, etc. maps for SC and WCIII, I think most will scoff at the idea of paying, especially the large amount of kids without credit cards. Then again, I gurss Blizzard could sell BlizzPoints at Best Buy.Scrow said:
The cream tends to rise to the top, though, as it did first with Cube Defense then DotA in WC3. I can see the best maps in SC2 starting free than asking for a buck or two, leading to a massive groan across Battle.net. Then again, we see incredibly popular mods/maps die overnight in these types of games for unknown reasons so that could happen as well.
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Dance In My Blood said:
It seems like they're aiming more for an iTunes marketplace where there is a lot of free content but people can charge if they want. The benefit of that type of arrangement for consumers is the convenience that comes with centralisation, but the downside is that there is fragmentation which doesn't exist for products outside this industry.
sykoex said:Okay, but how many DotA's are there in the War3 mod scene? (And this is in a FREE market)
The thing I really like about this pay model though is that it might encourage mod makers to actually finish their projects.
Yes but think about it, Blizzard is already going to charge us for three motherfucking SC2 games, plus people wants priced mods/maps? I mean the best maps are always the user created ones. If they are going to cost moneys you cant have them unless you pay, and you already pay a lot. Keep 'em free I say
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or because it's a well designed, fun game. being free helps too.Dance In My Blood said:
i can't imagine it'll cost much either. like jim-jam bongs said, this will be an apple app store kinda thing i imagine. very cheap ($1-3) and perhaps not even mandatory.
and for the kids without a credit card, Talon's remark about "BlizzPoints at Best Buy" could solve that.
honestly, i think the gaming community has become accustomed not only to DLC but micro-transactions.
Scrow said:
Having to pay anything at all cuts your market right off the bat. PC gamers won't pay for DLC and they certainly won't pay for user made maps. This is what I've always liked about PC gaming.
But back on topic, I'm thinking I've got to go to blizzcon next year. It was great watching just the stream, couldn't imagine being there.
and people are forgetting about content and getting your money's worth.Minsc said:
yes they are charging us for 3 games... but they're wholly complete games packed with content. well worth what they'll cost. if you've done any research on that sorts of stuff they're putting into the single player campaign (the reason for the delays and splitting it into 3 parts) you'll know that it's going to be awesome and it's going to be crammed with stuff.
and of course there's always that option that you simply don't buy it if you don't think it's worth it, but we all know you will.
yeah, but i never said this was a pissing comp to see who could get the most players. i'm talking about this as a small business opportunity for talented modders.will52 said:
I'm not entirely sure I agree with that and it seems neither does Blizzard. The Apple App store has shown that people will happily pay a small fee for basic but quality software on their Ipod. I don't know why it has to be any different for maps/mods. especially if it's done through a user friendly interface that's reliable and secure... steam paved the way in that regard.will52 said:
exactly. build up your market and form a strong and loyal user base, and then start charging them for it.... muahahahah!Lostconfused said:
but seriously, there could also be the option of making it a voluntary payment, like a donation. of course only a small fraction will actually voluntarily pay but that small amount of money is better than none at all for all your hard work.
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Yeah but if you want to be paranoid about it. Dota had a tone or revisions didn't it? The first few can be free until its popular and then whoever makes the maps cans start charging for updates. Of course i am just saying this is a possibility, i obviously have no idea what will actually happen.Scrow said:
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KaYotiX said:
fun gameplay > lore restrictions
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tadcalabash said:
You know what would be fun? Playing Starcraft marines in WoW, but you know, its pretty stupid also.
I know plenty of people who wouldn't bother paying for SC2 if maps were charged content. I think charging for maps would hurt them more than it would help them.
It would be ridiculously unfair to the community of people that plays custom maps. Tournament players will play the official maps over and over, no charge to them. Custom map players might have to pay $15 in a single game session.
It would be ridiculously unfair to the community of people that plays custom maps. Tournament players will play the official maps over and over, no charge to them. Custom map players might have to pay $15 in a single game session.
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FLEABttn said:
This is the right answer.
Anyone not liking the lore that comes from Blizzard are the ones making things up.
And the real truth is that they're not designing a game for those who are deep into the lore as they are a small minority. People just like good stories, don't care if they are 100% consistent with what came before. I'm just happy it's as good as it is, which is pretty awesome for a game.
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Scrow said:
Nerf assault rifles!
pretty much. let the market decide where it goes.Draft said:
on another topic, here's my prediction for blizzard's release schedule in the next few years (optimistic).
SC2:WoL - March-May 2010
WoW:Cat - November-December 2010
Diablo 3 - Feburary-May 2011
SC2:HotS - October-December 2011
SC2:LofV - October-December 2012
WoW:Xpac4 - Feburary-May 2013
beyond that... who knows? New MMO late 2013, early 2014?
on yet another topic... is anyone else extremely glad that blizzard are going to trim the talent trees. they were spot on in that panel. it was getting too lengthy and complicated and with more xpacs on the way in the coming years it was only going to get worse. i think they did it knowing they would have to at some point. it just wasn't going to work continuing down the path they were going.
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