jim-jam bongs
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StalkerUKCG said:
Link to previews? Link to videos? Link to screens? All the pre-release material is bullshot anyway, so why actually help publishers to create an unrealistic view of their game?
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Bloated, PR paste-bin |OT|s are a plague on these boards
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Link to previews? Link to videos? Link to screens? All the pre-release material is bullshot anyway, so why actually help publishers to create an unrealistic view of their game?
state-of-the-art
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The AssCreed OT is atrocious.
Barack Lesnar
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RE: the boldedSciz said:
Ask yourself this... why would you go into an OT of a game that's the 4th in a series (a heavily story-focused one at that) if you know nothing about the series and want to learn more?
StalkerUKCG
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Rapstah said:
Its their choice.
jim-jam bongs
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renitou said:
Personally, I would rather see GAF grow larger as a result of it being somewhere that isn't all about style over substance, which I believe is a pretty big part of why it's as big as it is today.
iNvid02
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butter_stick said:
apart from the extras section which is about the guide, soundtrack and merchandise, the rest is all needed. the series is pretty complex, some people play all the games and have no clue whats
going on. this is also the last chapter for 2 major characters so a recap on the previous games i perfectly justified. people saying "pr fluff pr fluff" dont know what the fuck they are talking about.
Littleberu
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iNvidious01 said:
And you think an official thread first post is where they should get that information from?
Alex Connolly
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jim-jam bongs said:
I agree, especially having put together a couple of OTs, although I've learned from my RUSE effort that there's really no need for such a huge amount of writing on factions.
Blacklight: Tango Down
Lost Planet 2
Off-Road Drive - This one is a victim of formatting and a little too much in the way of pictures, but there's not much more to the game than its driving model and looking good, so I dunno.
RUSE
Sword of the Stars 2
Information Thread that will eventually morph into OTs due to the majority of NeoGAF not giving two hoots on account of taste.
Men of War: Vietnam
Wargame: European Escalation
Agreed, as always, with ghst. I appreciate the artistic commitment, but holy hell, if it doesn't come off as a shaft-stripping PR jerk-off.
Eh, to be fair, the OT is basically the first two posts and the rest is just a compilation of information. Want more? Don't need to leave Gaf to go looking for it.NBtoaster said:
The entire thing becomes very manageable once you realize critical information is in the first two posts, and that the first post has an index to everything else. The only problems I see are that the index doesn't immediately look like an index and the release date (IMPORTANT) is small relative to the other images.
Maybe the index should have also provided a link to where actual posts start? That way people don't have to scroll forever.
ColonialRaptor
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Gez said:
I couldn't say... would have at least been more than 48 hours in total over the last 4 days before I put it out, and I had been working on it solidly for 3 months leading up to launch, but only like two hours here and there every second day.
So I'd say more than 100 hours easy.
Barack Lesnar
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Holy crap :OColonialRaptor said:
More like for every 1 "bloated" there are 5+ that aren't. Which contradicts the whole point about "this threads becoming a plague".Rapstah said:
Even less when you ask people around for "bloated threads" and they reply with the same:
-Metal Gear Solid 4 (posted years ago)
-Mortal Kombat (posted on April)
-Battlefield 3 (posted last month)
-(and now) Assassin's Creed Revelations! (posted today)
Heck, most people only think that MGS4 and Assassin's Creed are the "bloated threads"...and this entire thread is full of examples of threads that aren't "bloated"; yet because of those 4 threads "it's a plague".
Parallax Scroll
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Man, it's sweet how you can quote the relevant portion of a post using the forum's quote feature. Except, you know, when the post was submitted as an embedded image instead of text.
StalkerUKCG
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Where is your proof? I mean if these mythical truth filled picture-less OT's exist then where are they?Rapstah said:
Not posted because someone has poured alot great deal of time and effort into making an OT fans of the franchise appriciate and posted it first? Tough luck post quicker next time.
If someone was going to make the OT then why not ask if anyone is making the OT in a previous discusion thread and offer to work together? I out right asked Takao to work together when i made the DBZ UT OT. Im sure like minded fans of the series would be willing to do the same
I don't know that it's a story-focused game because I haven't been following the series at all.Heavy said:
I don't necessarily know that it's the fourth in a series because it isn't numbered. Regardless, this would hardly be the first series where the best point to jump in is a later entry as opposed to earlier ones.
If I have to go elsewhere to learn why the series as a whole is popular, fine, but at that point I'm left wondering why there isn't a single paragraph in the massive OP explaining that for me if it can cover so much else.
As I recall from the BF3 OT backlash thread, Evilore said that he isn't really a fan but doesn't want to step on people's toes for doing what they enjoy, either. Working off the top of my head here, might be paraphrasing that wrong.RoboPlato said:
butter_stick
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The Assassin's Creed story isn't worth the time it would take to read the OT.iNvidious01 said:
StalkerUKCG
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Opinion as fact? I like the story and appriciated the OT.butter_stick said:
butter_stick
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At least post the big tit assassin chick so we can all enjoy it.Special J said:
MrNyarlathotep
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iNvidious01 said:
Really?
UPlay achievements are necessary information?
Or an Italy only special edition full boxart and contents?
Bios for multiplayer characters some of whom you don't even have names for yet are necessary information?
You cant see a single part of those 15 posts where there was some room for editing down to keypoints?
I know you probably feel singled out by this topic, when really you're just a part of a problem of increasingly insubstantial hype-based OTs, but you can't honestly see why some people feel like despite all the glitz of your OT it is lacking in information people might be interested in and oveflowing with information most people aren't?
sixteen-bit
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a Master Ninja did a hell of a job.X26 said:
CoffeeJanitor
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There are a ton of OT's that read off like PR.fernoca said:
OTs are usually agreed upon before being posted, so I'm not saying people are trying to post small great ones and being beaten by the enormous ones. Have a look at the two links in this thread's OP for two one-post original thread first posts.StalkerUKCG said:
And obviously this isn't a digital issue. There's no point where a thread goes from being great to suddenly being horrible and drowning in all of its information. Threads are more or less bloated. It's not as if there is a lack of them as suggested above either, there's the MW3 OT on the first page sticking out (not as bad as the AC: R one) and we have the DOTA 2 one on the horizon bound to be ridicolous.
I'm not saying these threads are bad from a design standpoint, I could never do that amount of work in design or information collection for this cause. I'm saying they're inefficient.
Leaving the discussion to go to sleep if I don't answer to answers to this.
ColonialRaptor
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Sciz said:
There was a BF3 OT backlash thread?
Yep, and most of them are relatively small, so people don't mind. They seem to mind when threads are "big" and assume that everything is copy-pasted PR; because otherwise if said person actually wrote that much information; said person has no life.CoffeeJanitor said:
And because of those 4-5 threads, it is now a plague.
StalkerUKCG
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Rapstah said:
I dont see a need for communist esq efficiency to me an OT is hub for game information, If all that infomation is displayed anything else is gravy. Release date and platforms should be at the top of the post just after the initial banner written in plain text so they can be found via ctrl+f everything else can be as big and flashy as the creator wants because fans will more than likely appriciate it. Should a OT cater to fans or non fans?.
After 1 month if the OT is popular its going to community and if you wish you never even have to see the link to it anymore, their it will has a social hub for fans much like the gears and halo OT's do and these are very much appriciated.
People are complaing about being given optional free info, its crazy your not being forced to read these topics or even enter them and yet this thread is 16 pages of complains against hard work.
People calling OT's horrible and hilariously bloated ect, thats plain mean die hard fans have obviously devoted a great deal of time towards them and your mocking their work. Shame on you.
I really fail to see an issue, if you dont like what your looking at dont look at it. Just remember alot of people will like what they see. AC:R OT is great i commend the creator on his work.
jim-jam bongs
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etiolate said:
They're even worse actually, because at least people writing reviews have actually played the game people are going to be buying.
StalkerUKCG said:
I come to GAF to take part in an information exchange, not a passive consumption of information. There are plenty of places on the internet where I can do the latter. And to be quite honest, there is a reason Livejournal-style posts are frowned upon.
jim-jam bongs
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Irish said:
Enthusiasm != Hype
Get a grip.
Tell me how a game reviewer, that receives the press kits, games, interviews, put in airplanes to play games at the publisher's HQ; among other things; before posting a review (which is the basis of most when it comes to not trusting some sites)...etiolate said:
...can be compared to a random forum-user that decided to take a few hours/days to make an official thread for a game he/she likes; just because "it is too much" for some or "too copy pasted" for others.
I can agree with those that don't like the threads, because of the size, overuse of images, etc. But assuming we're corporate chills, receive gifts, money and other incentives as this thread has shown is just nonsense.
I might have to look around, but as much as I loved Kagari's thread and even said it on that same thread; weren't a few here earlier complaining about how it wasn't that good because it was all images,and links and no texts or how the formatting was messed up in smaller screens. ..or something. Looking to see if was in this thread at least.Kintaro said:
( Unless it was just sarcasm.)EDIT:
Bah, can't find the comments. Now I wonder if it was in this thread...or even today. XD
As long as we are bitching about |OT|...
Can we implement a new system? Like, |hype| thread until launch day, and THEN the |OT|? When I look at an OT, especially a week or so after the game launches, it is really freaking annoying to try and find where the hype posts end and the actual impressions of the game start.
Just an idea.
Can we implement a new system? Like, |hype| thread until launch day, and THEN the |OT|? When I look at an OT, especially a week or so after the game launches, it is really freaking annoying to try and find where the hype posts end and the actual impressions of the game start.
Just an idea.
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