EmCeeGramr
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A lot of people hated that thread but got drowned out by the amazed people posting "WOW GOOD JON OP"Kung Fu Grip said:
The fact that it's spawned such a terrible trend hasn't earned it any favors in retrospect either.
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Bloated, PR paste-bin |OT|s are a plague on these boards
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The fact that it's spawned such a terrible trend hasn't earned it any favors in retrospect either.
BruceLeeRoy
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TheExodu5 said:Can we blame BruceLeeRoy for this mess? Tthough he's even learned from his mistake.
I repented! I repented!
Dark Octave
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That AC OT drained 10% of my phone battery in less than two minutes trying to load up all those images.
notworksafe
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Yeah, that's why I think the option should be there to reserve a second post "just in case" something comes up like impressions, DLC, title updates/patches, things like that. That kind of info is very useful and keeps people coming back to the OP because of the added info and not being able to include all of it because of character limit in the first post is a bummer.fernoca said:In the case of Skylanders it was a "limit" since it was something made last minute. So I put everything I could on the main post and then updated some. A few replies were already in place, so I keep adding everything to the main post...and in some cases, a link to a separate post. Replies started including impressions, so I added that to the main post and that's were i hit the first limit.
Like I said, the option should be there depending on how much work someone wants to put into their OT after the game comes out. You're good about updating, but many people aren't (not that there's something wrong with that).
I would be ok with some generic rules to limit OT size in number of characters and images. As long as it left some room to creativity of the user. By my personal experience with my only OT I was indeed trying to shill for it. It's a game from a dev team from my country (Portugal) and I would love for them to thrive in their first attempt in a console game. So some of this over the top OT can indeed be from more enthusiastic fans with a sincere wish to see the game enjoyed by a larger audience. But as I said in the beginning of this post, a generic framework for these would be completely acceptable.
Metroid Killer
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Whenever I'm gonna make my next OP I will defintely use this and Andrex's Super Mario Land 3D as templates.Chet Rippo said:
I don't mind the huge OPs when they are done right. I thought MGS4 was amazing, and heck I even made the huge Metroid Anniversary thread which was around 8 or 9 posts.
But I would say that was for a special occasion as it kinda had to cover 25 years worth of franchise (and I still made the mistake of not having thumbs for the fanart and so on).
As many others have said the two biggest offenders in big OTs are:
- Text in images
- Images so wide they make you have to scroll to the sides to actually read the OP
Of course everything in an OP should be relevant more or less. I don't see why an OP should spend more than a few lines (or links) on previous games of the franchise. 1 or 2 posts should be more than fine and perhaps a 3rd post with updated info.
creid
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Love the big, beautiful OTs. I especially liked the ACR OT because I've been looking for a good detailed recap of the first three games without having to risk spoiler territory (I assume there have been leaks here and there) by going to the wiki. I don't really mind the OP stretching out to 10+ posts, because the first page or 3 of OTs are usually filled with useless "DAY 1" "right in my veins" "can't wait" non-discussion, anyway.
I do agree that some of them are probably a little too long, and I don't see a big benefit in having the text in an image aside from the aesthetic factor.
I do agree that some of them are probably a little too long, and I don't see a big benefit in having the text in an image aside from the aesthetic factor.
Barack Lesnar
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We should get 50 people together to each create one post for an OT and then combine them to have one full, massive page of OTness. Ideally, it would drain your smartphone's battery by 40 to 50%, as well as capping your bandwidth several times over.
I do agree with that.notworksafe said:
There's nothing more than I hate in threads, that a thread (official or not) that is posted and then forgotten about. So then you have to read all over the thread looking for something and if you ask about something, that was already answered; you're eaten alive.
Which is why for the 4 OTs I've made, I tend to update them until the interest just stops. Updated the MK OT from April 12, until September 24. Still update the Skylanders thread (but nothing "new" yet). Motoheroz [another last minute thread
]; there's not much to update yet (still waiting on info about new content) and Solatorobo [yep, last minute too]; there's not much to add to it at the moment.Thinking about it, MK was the only OT I've actually planned on and I wanted it to be bigger, but just because I love MK (and it was an important release in some way). I did wanted to use less images. Planned for a "remake" of the thread with a nicer look and a smaller scale, when/if it reached OT2; but obviously it didn't and won't.
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Metroid Killer said:
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Metroid Killer said:
Agreed. Some situations call for longer OPs. (My Pokemon Community Thread, while still only one post, is quite long. Side note, you haven't been active in PokeGAF, what gives?!)
But OTs for a game's release? They don't need to be as long, nor should they be.
Corto said:
This is something you have to balance out. If its a big, PR-reeking OP. I'm not going to read it and just ignore the game. If its a smaller one, but with something interesting or funny. Bet your ass I'll read it.
Now to be fair, most of the problems brought up are more focused in larger titles. The one mentioned in the op is AC:R, the one that keeps getting brought up is MGS4. I can't think of a single OT, which had a 10+ page opening, that wasn't a massive whack off on screen. And it sets a really nasty trend in the thread.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I love the big OTs. I'm always in awe of how much effort people put into it. I like the ACR OT, but then again, I'm a huge fan of Assassin's Creed. My own OTs could never come near that level of awesome.
EmCeeGramr
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guys please stop being mean
this guy clearly spent time and effort collating his 8,000 word mario wiki article, and i think he requires some respect for that
this guy clearly spent time and effort collating his 8,000 word mario wiki article, and i think he requires some respect for that
Hot Coldman
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What if we make a feature length silent documentary about the game
And then turn the video into a series of gifs which we'll post
And then turn the video into a series of gifs which we'll post
Metroid Killer
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Yeah pretty much what I was gonna post next. MGS4 was a special case in that it was the first of its kind. I think we are getting a reaction to big OTs as we have had so many this year alone and they start losing the value of being big for special occasion.Andrex said:
But then again via the discourse on the subject the latest months it seems like most people get what gaf wants in an OT. (see bruceleeroy
)PS. I left PokeGaf as I just didn't have the courage(read: time) in me to pick up another Poke game. Motivation to post in poke threads kinda disappeared when most of the discussion was about new titles. I will return someday though
Phoenician_Viking
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SMFH. No one is forcing you to navigate anything.stupei said:
Give me:
That's about all that's needed. I don't need to know the 50 weapons in the game. I don't need to know every single skill I can get when leveling up. I don't need to know the name of the 15 maps that come with the game. I don't need to know all 50 characters in the game.
Less is more.
- Tombstone data: name, platforms, release date, recommended specs, etc...
- Story premise
- Game mechanics
- Characters/classes, if appropriate (classes for Diablo 3, for example)
- 4-6 thumbnailed screenshots to give me an idea of what the game looks like
- Gameplay video or trailer
- If it's a sequel, what's new from the previous release?
That's about all that's needed. I don't need to know the 50 weapons in the game. I don't need to know every single skill I can get when leveling up. I don't need to know the name of the 15 maps that come with the game. I don't need to know all 50 characters in the game.
Less is more.
fizzelopeguss
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ghst said:
The MGS4 thread was funny because the game ended up being such a colossal shitpile. Something like that will never happen again, so OT's as they are need nuking from high orbit.
Air Zombie Meat
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I don't think I've ever read an [OT] op outside of the short or comedy ones. At most I'll scan it for a release date. I enjoyed this recent one despite not having any interest in the game.
I do like the idea of having a short FAQ in the op, much more useful long term than a list of special editions. You'll always find certain questions that keep coming up, would be nice to see ops updated with stuff like that.
I do like the idea of having a short FAQ in the op, much more useful long term than a list of special editions. You'll always find certain questions that keep coming up, would be nice to see ops updated with stuff like that.
unpurposed
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It's gotten to the point where it's a waste to read through the OP because it's just copy-pasted PR shit that I don't care about.
"A groundbreaking sequel.." Oh fuck off. Just tell me in your own NORMAL words why this game is awesome and why I should play it.
Preorder DLC guides are always welcome though, because fuck trying to figure out what I can get and not get.
"A groundbreaking sequel.." Oh fuck off. Just tell me in your own NORMAL words why this game is awesome and why I should play it.
Preorder DLC guides are always welcome though, because fuck trying to figure out what I can get and not get.
The large OT first posts are completely ridiculous.
Ideally the first post should give one a quick rundown of current status of OT. A short explanation of the game, then updated with scores as they arrive, and then updated as notable patches are released.
Aside from insane length, the other issue with many of these first posts is that they use images that are too wide and these are very annoying not only for mobile users, but as well for regular PC users who don't want to have to maximize our brower windows.
Ideally the first post should give one a quick rundown of current status of OT. A short explanation of the game, then updated with scores as they arrive, and then updated as notable patches are released.
Aside from insane length, the other issue with many of these first posts is that they use images that are too wide and these are very annoying not only for mobile users, but as well for regular PC users who don't want to have to maximize our brower windows.
Yes, please. GameFAQs walkthoughs, ahoy!Volcynika said:
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Takamura-San
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Just Ignore it.
Is not that hard.
If people want to spend time on elaborate OTs, let them. Its their time.
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Is not that hard.
If people want to spend time on elaborate OTs, let them. Its their time.
/thread
Takamura-San
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Divvy said:
What page?
Hot Coldman
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Divvy said:
Seriously. I learnt that the hard way.
Cosmo Clock 21
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It seems like the reason why OTs are going image-text is because bbcode doesn't offer the formatting flexibility that the thread creators envision in their OTs. Just use what's available or don't do it at all.
fizzelopeguss
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i just noticed the first post is animated as well.
ghst said:
What do you think of my post on the last page ?
"This is the effect of the behemoth that is the MGS4 OT. People on GAF are set to topple it.
While I think the work and the sleekness of the AC Revelations thread is to be applauded, it seems like major overkill when it isn't even a numbered iteration of the series. I expect that kind of a thread for the LAST AC game, or even 3 which is set to wrap up this console generation, but not for Revelations.
I'm not going to hate on someone who is that passionate about the series, and WANTS to put that much work into a OT. That's what geeking out is supposed to look like.
Perhaps the compromise could be that the first page of OT's from now on can be that TL;DR bite sized morsel the OP of this thread likes, and then give fair warning that the rest is for those who want to share in the glory of the franchise/game at hand? That way after you read the first page, you can just skip to the latest comment, and go from there.
What do you guys think ?"
Seem like a fair compromise to you ?
I think it's great there are skilled people willing to put OTs together and get the community excited and informed on upcoming games. But the mega OT stuff is sensory overload. Gameplay type, platforms, a few screens, and preorder info is usually what I look for, and finding that info in a sea of screenshots and game lore can be cumbersome.
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