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[ScraftyDevil]

And so the hunt begins anew.

The streets run slick with blood, and at the source, a poor unfortunate townsperson with a silver bullet in his brain.

Some might call him unlucky; a victim of circumstance whose flame was snuffed far too soon.

But perhaps death is a welcome escape from what is yet to come.

EzekelRAGE, an Ordinary Yharnamite, has been killed.

Welcome. The Blood tells me that you are an Ordinary Citizen of Yharnam. Obviously, you are aligned with the Town of Yharnam. (That’s the Town.)

Hm. No special blood, no special powers. There’s only one place for you in Yharnam at night - Inside your home, with the doors locked and the windows bolted.

During the day, you may VOTE to lynch your fellow citizens, but I’m afraid that’s the extent of your power.

You win when you have eliminated all threats to the Town of Yharnam.

Please PM ScraftyDevil or RetroMG with any questions.

Game Thread is Here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1229044

Good luck, Sir or Madam.

Day 2 begins.

The Blood still flows within:

01 [m] II-Vanguard-II
02 [m] Verelios
03 [-] Nudull
04 [m] MickD
05 [-] Weemadarthur
06 [m] Camjo-Z
07 [m] Kristoffer
08 [m] Freakinchair
09 [m] Ri'Orius
10 [m] Haly
11 [m] MagnumBoy20xx
12 [m] flatearthpandas
13 [m] EzekelRAGE
14 [m] Hobohodo
15 [m] Rynam
16 [m] johnnyquicknives
17 [m] Never Forever
18 [-] Seath
19 [m] Mazre
20 [m] Palmer_v1
21 [m] roytheone
22 [m] squidyj
23 [m] Zippedpinhead
24 [m] Kalor

The moon rises in:

 

[squidyj]

Wow, we got a scum day 1, that's pretty great, suck it camjo. I don't want anyone to get complacent though, it seems very convenient that we got scum day 1 and seeing that this scum team is the holy church it seems possible to me that we have more than one scum team in this game. There's some weirdness in the role PM that supports this. There's also the possibility of the Great Ones being in our game with shadowy motives, so what I would say is I wouldn't consider any player cleared for their behaviour with respect to riorius yesterday. I'm fairly certain that Palmer isn't healing church but I can't say that he is necessarily town, for instance.

We learn a few things reading that role pm. It's actually kind of vague in that it doesn't mention any known partners but it does say “you have an additional partner” the key word here being additional. Are there partners that are known but not mentioned at all in this PM? Or is this a scum team of 2? If it's a scum team of 2 then obviously we have multiple scum teams in play working at cross purposes.

The other thing to be gleaned from the role pm is the interaction of abilities with the generation of insight. In Bloodborne insight is generally gained from a few scripted events, killing bosses, and consuming items like madman's knowledge. Throughout the first day we saw slightly coded messages about bosses from the game. It seems to me they were appearing in real time as opposed to game time, and it also seems to me that every time one of those messages shows up some hidden insight meter is increased. Right now the only example of someone benefiting from insight is scum so stretching days out to their end and failing to move the game along might be detrimental to town. So one of the things we should consider is pushing for majority votes to end days early so as to get ahead of insight.

Moving on to today I think there are a few subjects I find suspicious and exactly one target who I think should be an obvious lynch candidate for today.

Haly – I said earlier in day 1 that Haly and Ri'orius were on a scum team together and neither has done much to dissuade me of that opinion.
Camjo – There was, of course, that ill-fated vote away from Ri'orius, but his adamancy in pushing for a no-lynch during the day suggests he may benefit from the game going long, that is to say he might have some interaction with the insight mechanic and after his shenanigans at the end of the day I find it hard to believe it's town aligned

Mazre – This is the guy to lynch today. He didn't contribute much in the way of posts or insight in day 1, something he brushed off by saying he was busy at work, which may or may not be true. More importantly if you look at his voting record he was late in joining the Kris bandwagon, I guess he didn't want to have to justify a vote on a less obvious target. Finally he didn't flip his vote onto Ri'orius until it didn't matter anymore. It seems like he changed his vote just so he could point back to it and say “look, I voted for Ri'orius, it's right there”.

Vote: Mazre

 

[roytheone]

EzekelRAGE died? He was one of the most heavy opponents of a riorus lynch and pushed pretty hard for Kris. Weird kill if it was the mafia target.

 

[Kalor]

Ezekel is a weird kill. Although I guess it's a middle of the road choice that doesn't give us much information so that might be why they were chosen.

The interesting part of the mafia role is that they can gain abilities from encounters from the "supernatural". In Ri'Orius's case it was to find out who people were. While we can't figure it out with the information we have, I presume that each mafia has a different ability and that the supernatural might be other players. If it's not that then it must be tied to the Tourist Spots.

 

[Rynam]

DID NOT VOTE (1)
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I simply put off Voting to later and forgot it because of other stuff, and didn't vote in the end because it would've looked like "Bandwagon" stuff.

 

[roytheone]

Ezekel is a weird kill. Although I guess it's a middle of the road choice that doesn't give us much information so that might be why they were chosen.

The interesting part of the mafia role is that they can gain abilities from encounters from the "supernatural". In Ri'Orius's case it was to find out who people were. While we can't figure it out with the information we have, I presume that each mafia has a different ability and that the supernatural might be other players. If it's not that then it must be tied to the Tourist Spots.

Could that be tied with the tone shift some of you mentioned? Their powers activate when scrafty her tourist stuff reaches that shift point?

 

[Palmer_v1]

Wow, we got a scum day 1, that's pretty great, suck it camjo. I don't want anyone to get complacent though, it seems very convenient that we got scum day 1 and seeing that this scum team is the holy church it seems possible to me that we have more than one scum team in this game. There's some weirdness in the role PM that supports this. There's also the possibility of the Great Ones being in our game with shadowy motives, so what I would say is I wouldn't consider any player cleared for their behaviour with respect to riorius yesterday. I'm fairly certain that Palmer isn't healing church but I can't say that he is necessarily town, for instance.

We learn a few things reading that role pm. It's actually kind of vague in that it doesn't mention any known partners but it does say “you have an additional partner” the key word here being additional. Are there partners that are known but not mentioned at all in this PM? Or is this a scum team of 2? If it's a scum team of 2 then obviously we have multiple scum teams in play working at cross purposes.

The other thing to be gleaned from the role pm is the interaction of abilities with the generation of insight. In Bloodborne insight is generally gained from a few scripted events, killing bosses, and consuming items like madman's knowledge. Throughout the first day we saw slightly coded messages about bosses from the game. It seems to me they were appearing in real time as opposed to game time, and it also seems to me that every time one of those messages shows up some hidden insight meter is increased. Right now the only example of someone benefiting from insight is scum so stretching days out to their end and failing to move the game along might be detrimental to town. So one of the things we should consider is pushing for majority votes to end days early so as to get ahead of insight.

Moving on to today I think there are a few subjects I find suspicious and exactly one target who I think should be an obvious lynch candidate for today.

Haly – I said earlier in day 1 that Haly and Ri'orius were on a scum team together and neither has done much to dissuade me of that opinion.
Camjo – There was, of course, that ill-fated vote away from Ri'orius, but his adamancy in pushing for a no-lynch during the day suggests he may benefit from the game going long, that is to say he might have some interaction with the insight mechanic and after his shenanigans at the end of the day I find it hard to believe it's town aligned

Mazre – This is the guy to lynch today. He didn't contribute much in the way of posts or insight in day 1, something he brushed off by saying he was busy at work, which may or may not be true. More importantly if you look at his voting record he was late in joining the Kris bandwagon, I guess he didn't want to have to justify a vote on a less obvious target. Finally he didn't flip his vote onto Ri'orius until it didn't matter anymore. It seems like he changed his vote just so he could point back to it and say “look, I voted for Ri'orius, it's right there”.

Vote: Mazre

In general, you're reading far more into that Role PM than I am, but I'm also at a disadvantage in not knowing the fluff at all. So overall, I'm listening to what you're saying, but don't feel like there's enough to be sure about the conjecture yet. Otherwise, I'll play devil's advocate here.

Multiple factions but we only had one death. Do you think they can't kill, or that a kill was prevented? If they can't kill, what can they do instead, and how do they win? power do they have instead?

Actually, I notice they have the same win condition as us. That's kind of huge, cause it means they don't win at majority, which lends credence to their being another faction.

You're absolutely right that it means we can't infer as much about people based on voting.

I was going to say other things, but now I'm mentally sidetracked by the possibility of multiple scum teams.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Mods, can you confirm the win condition in ri'orius' PM is not simply a copy/paste mistake?

 

[roytheone]

I simply put off Voting to later and forgot it because of other stuff, and didn't vote in the end because it would've looked like "Bandwagon" stuff.

This sounds really scummy to me. Actively avoiding suspicion is more a scum indicater then town to me.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

The capacity to make mistakes is a trait exclusive to mankind. Those further beyond are bereft of flaw.

 

[Rynam]

This sounds really scummy to me. Actively avoiding suspicion is more a scum indicater then town to me.

I rank both equally, so I'm better off in telling the truth before someone accuses me.

 

[Haly]

I think it's pretty obvious Ri'orius was a solo Mafia who had a partner activated on kill or, as implied, the granted investigation.

Which means at least 2 scum teams and maybe some non-killing neutral(s).

Anyway I don't like how Ri'orius was pushed up from a 3rd place tie in votes to a 4 vote lead within the last 2-3 hours, even ahead of myself as I was gathering suspicion. There's too much there for me to sift through at a casual glance so the path of least resistance is to simply...

Vote: Kristoffer

 

[Palmer_v1]

Oh.

Vote: Never Forever

I'll repost my scum list in a bit, but in general, I'll be going after anyone that tried to go after me at all on D1.

Also, lol @ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206544043&postcount=436

The capacity to make mistakes is a trait exclusive to mankind. Those further beyond are bereft of flaw.

Very well.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I think it's pretty obvious Ri'orius was a solo Mafia who had a partner activated on kill or, as implied, the granted investigation.

Which means at least 2 scum teams and maybe some non-killing neutral(s).

Anyway I don't like how Ri'orius was pushed up from a 3rd place tie in votes to a 4 vote lead within the last 2-3 hours, even ahead of myself as I was gathering suspicion. There's too much there for me to sift through at a casual glance so the path of least resistance is to simply...

Vote: Kristoffer

He had access to a message board from the start though, which implies teammates right off the bat.

 

[roytheone]

I rank both equally, so I'm better off in telling the truth before someone accuses me.

That's true, but I think it was even better if you just voted yesterday instead of actively hide from suspicion. Especially with the votes being pretty close to each other for a good while.

About multiple scum teams : it's possible, and would explain why we've managed to actually lynch scum day 1. But that win condition could also be about neutrals, so until we have more evidence, I will assume 1 scum team.

 

[Haly]

He had access to a message board from the start though, which implies teammates right off the bat.

This isn't the kind of speculation I like to rely on but I wouldve given a solo player their room from the start if just to expedite things in the future. A properly set up game should provide props up front, not bring them in as needed. Plus, from my one game as scum we communicated with the Ouro primarily via the QT, so he wouldn't be strictly alone.

Anyway from his actual role PM, the key words for me are "recruit", implying an sleeper, and "an additional" implying only one partner. The assumption of additional partners that aren't mentioned in the role PM flies in the face of a lot of GAFia tradition and I don't think it would've been given the go ahead by supermods. Certainly, it might be a mechanic in itself, but that kind of speculation is endless and unprofitable.

 

[squidyj]

In general, you're reading far more into that Role PM than I am, but I'm also at a disadvantage in not knowing the fluff at all. So overall, I'm listening to what you're saying, but don't feel like there's enough to be sure about the conjecture yet. Otherwise, I'll play devil's advocate here.

Multiple factions but we only had one death. Do you think they can't kill, or that a kill was prevented? If they can't kill, what can they do instead, and how do they win? power do they have instead?

Actually, I notice they have the same win condition as us. That's kind of huge, cause it means they don't win at majority, which lends credence to their being another faction.

You're absolutely right that it means we can't infer as much about people based on voting.

I was going to say other things, but now I'm mentally sidetracked by the possibility of multiple scum teams.

Great Ones would not necessarily win by killing anything there might be some obscure game state they want to achieve. Imagine a great one that knows everything about the game and wants to manipulate a particular game state or game length. Likewise if we assume multiple factions there might be a beast faction that simply isn't powered up yet. It tends to take time for men to transform into beasts.

Souls lore and plot is like taking a beautiful stone carving, smashing it with a sledgehammer, and throwing away half the pieces, you don't get enough to build a complete picture and the pieces you do get don't always fit together nicely. It's never entirely clear what they want.

There's Ebrietas that we kill who maybe might be how the healing church got their healing and using the blood and whatnot what does she want? how does she work? who the fuck knows

Theres the moon presence who rules the hunter's dream beckoned by Laurence, it seems to want the other great ones taken care of. Gehrman is working for the moon presence, we can kill it if we do the right stuff.

There's Mergo who is maybe sort of the source of the nightmare? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW MAN.

Then there's Oedon who's fucking formless but apparently he's still totally into blood

There's rom who used to be a dude and then... was turned.


the point is that with the great ones there's all sorts of bullshit that could be justified

 

[squidyj]

This isn't the kind of speculation I like to rely on but I wouldve given a solo player their room from the start if just to expedite things in the future. A properly set up game should provide props up front, not bring them in as needed. Plus, from my one game as scum we communicated with the Ouro primarily via the QT, so he wouldn't be strictly alone.

Anyway from his actual role PM, the key words for me are "recruit", implying an sleeper, and "an additional" implying only one partner. The assumption of additional partners that aren't mentioned in the role PM flies in the face of a lot of GAFia tradition and I don't think it would've been given the go ahead by supermods. Certainly, it might be a mechanic in itself, but that kind of speculation is endless and unprofitable.

how do you arrive at 'an additional' implying that he's the only one on his team? I interpret it to mean a partner in addition to the partners you already posess, an additional partner.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Ri'orius's PM says that he wins when all threats to the healing church are destroyed.

That's not "healing church has majority" that implies that they could have majority and still lose if a "threat" exists.

It could be a third faction, it could also be a hunter (townie tasked to kill scum) or a serial killer (neutral with unique win condition).

On another note: I still think Hobohodo is scum but this was too apparent not to follow up on: Johnnyquicknives

You posted a vote on magnumboy, but I don't really follow your vote.

Coincidentally of the last minute flips to Ri'Orius I think kalor is also scum... His vote switch sounds exactly like a scum trying to get "town cred" would post.

So:

vote: kalor .

Of the three of you I find you most suspicious.

I also think the ezekialrage kill could have been scum trying to recruit (any night target from them gets the recruit so killing is valid way of finding them)

 

[Kalor]

Could that be tied with the tone shift some of you mentioned? Their powers activate when scrafty her tourist stuff reaches that shift point?

It could be tied to the tone shift. I like Squidys idea about a hidden meter being filled with each defeated boss but I feel like that might be reaching too far into flavour.

 

[Haly]

Because the role pm makes no mention of teammates except the sleeper. Unless you think "you're not alone in this effort" refers to the rest of the team, who're redacted, then the sleeper is mentioned separately as a +1?

To me it reads as if the recruitable is their only partner.

 

[squidyj]

It could be tied to the tone shift. I like Squidys idea about a hidden meter being filled with each defeated boss but I feel like that might be reaching too far into flavour.

You have no special abilities at this time, however, as your senses sharpen, (perhaps through insight gained in your encounters with the supernatural,) you may gain the ability to find out who people are. If this occurs, you will be informed how to use your new ability.

It literally says insight, and encounters with the supernatural. now maybe there's a great one lining our brains with eyes for a target every night but I don't think I'm reaching too far here.

 

[Verelios]

I'm apprehensive at how fast Ri'orius was voted up. Screams multiple teams to me, and given that, I'll need to look back on what happened.

What's the deal with Ezekial though? Anyone collate his past posts to see why he may have been lynched?

 

[roytheone]

Alright, I will go a bit meta for a bit so sorry in advance for that :

We talked a bit after season 5.5 to have standard win conditions in order to prevent people being able to draw to much information about the game design from them. So this could just be the new standard scum win condition and it means nothing.

 

[Kalor]

It literally says insight, and encounters with the supernatural. now maybe there's a great one lining our brains with eyes for a target every night but I don't think I'm reaching too far here.

I was going off memory so I didn't realise it was worded as obviously as it is. In that case I can totally see insight being some kind of hidden meter or other mechanic.

 

[weemadarthur]

Since zeke was at least making all his day one arguments in good faith, we can look at them to see if he was a threat to scum. WIFOM of course.

He was mostly tunneling on Kristoffer all day, with a little shade thrown at Palmer for seemingly being inconsistent (allegedly not caring what happened but then pushing hard for a particular lynch ). So he could have been targeted to protect kris.

 

[Camjo-Z]

Damn, forgot this game was a thing. 4 days is one long ass night phase.

lmao at squidyj leaping out of the gate to peddle mechanics theories. Oh, the irony. Nice prewritten post there lad, a bit odd considering you immediately voted me D1 for doing that (and that one wasn't even serious). Allow me to return the favor!

VOTE: squidyj

Anyway, the Ri'Orious shift yesterday was pretty interesting. Would be genuinely surprised if at least one person voting him near the end wasn't a desperate mafia looking to bus early for brownie points. Multiple maf teams could make sense but I'd rather wait until I actually see some proof for it, one lone team seems more likely to me. But right now, I'm interested in someone who tried and failed to get on that last minute bandwagon - the fast food fellow, the arches so yellow, all bright and mellow, our good pal MickD (who, when asked why he was voting me):

He cast a vote on me, with a pretty strange explanation. Seemed suspect to me. I'm not going with a bandwagon.

10 minutes later, we see this failed attempt to get a vote in before day end:

Vote: Ri'orius

What in Ronald McDonald's name happened there, mate? Trying to get your vote locked down on the "right side of history" at the last second or what?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Since zeke was at least making all his day one arguments in good faith, we can look at them to see if he was a threat to scum. WIFOM of course.

He was mostly tunneling on Kristoffer all day, with a little shade thrown at Palmer for seemingly being inconsistent (allegedly not caring what happened but then pushing hard for a particular lynch ). So he could have been targeted to protect kris.

This is why I think scum was looking for their teammate last night. Hit people who were being smart with their votes, but also a tiny bit scummy.

Honestly it would not surprise me if they hit their teammate last night and Zeke was really a second (read not- healing church/not-scum) kill.

Camjo-Z, mickD is another good alternative for that "scum looking for town brownie points" vote. I personally think kalor fits it better with his "I'll write just enough to make my post look good" vote.

 

[roytheone]

Because the role pm makes no mention of teammates except the sleeper. Unless you think "you're not alone in this effort" refers to the rest of the team, who're redacted, then the sleeper is mentioned separately as a +1?

To me it reads as if the recruitable is their only partner.

I think there are more then 2. He had the stipulation that he couldn't do the kill and use his power (after it awoken) in the same night. If he was the only scum member next to the Hidden Partner, that would be a bit weird,since he would need to kill every night and couldn't actually use his power ever.

Since zeke was at least making all his day one arguments in good faith, we can look at them to see if he was a threat to scum. WIFOM of course.

He was mostly tunneling on Kristoffer all day, with a little shade thrown at Palmer for seemingly being inconsistent (allegedly not caring what happened but then pushing hard for a particular lynch ). So he could have been targeted to protect kris.

I doubt it. A night 1 kill tends to be as safe as possible and give town as little as possible to work with. One person targeting a partner isn't worth a kill at this point in the game,especially not someone that just pushed hard against a scum lynch.

 

[weemadarthur]

Anyway, the Ri'Orious shift yesterday was pretty interesting. Would be genuinely surprised if at least one person voting him near the end wasn't a desperate mafia looking to bus early for brownie points. Multiple maf teams could make sense but I'd rather wait until I actually see some proof for it, one lone team seems more likely to me.

#600
Final vote count for Day 1.

ri'orius (10)
seath 120 (261)
freakinchair 205(553)
squidyj 327 (381)
seath 344
squidyj 455 (462)
Palmer_v1 520
roytheone 554
Kristoffer 556
Freakinchair 563
Kalor 564
MagnumBoy20xx 565
squidyj 568
Never Forever 571
Mazre 580

Seath and squidy were on-again off-again. Kris and chair were voting partially out of self preservation. Kalor, magnumboy, Never and Mazre jumped on at the tail end...along with on-again squidy.

 

[Mazre]

I initially read Ri'orious's flip as the healing church having 2 members, though now that others have pointed it out I can see how it could also be interpreted they have more members in addition to their recruitable player.

I'm not sold on insight as an actual mechanic. Could just be scrafty fluffing up that future powers are coming for them without telling them how or when.

Agree multi-faction is possible but not certain, lore argument here is strong though.

 

[Mazre]

Mazre – This is the guy to lynch today. He didn't contribute much in the way of posts or insight in day 1, something he brushed off by saying he was busy at work, which may or may not be true. More importantly if you look at his voting record he was late in joining the Kris bandwagon, I guess he didn't want to have to justify a vote on a less obvious target. Finally he didn't flip his vote onto Ri'orius until it didn't matter anymore. It seems like he changed his vote just so he could point back to it and say “look, I voted for Ri'orius, it's right there”.

Not much to say here, I was busy until around 5 hours before the end of phase. I spent 2-3 hours re-reading the thread closely and taking notes to see if I could suss anything out. I put in my vote and watched the rest of the day unfold. Close to the end we had what appeared to be a majority on Ri, when camjo swoops in and tries to muck with things.

At that point I had to quickly decide do I:

A. Try to verify the exact count - not enough time
B. Make a net +2 vote swing by switching from what I thought was second (kris) to first (ri) in vote count
C. Sit on my hands

Turns out I would've been fine with option C but I don't regret my action either.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Rereading the flip, I'm leaning towards two person team. "You are not alone." Also, keep in mind he didn't need to give up killing to find his partner. It said an attempted kill would still recruit and then give them a double kill the following night. A larger team it would make more sense to have someone killing and someone searching. What I'm curious about is whether the partner knows they can be recruited and what they would be doing in the meantime. If it was a team of two, did they both have killing abilities? If not, did the other's activate when Ri'Orius left?

I'll leave my mechanics speculation there. I'm not terribly far into the actual game so i couldn't speculate that much on factions but i also don't want to get too bogged down. What would be useful is anyone familiar with the game's lore looking for breadcrumbs in day one. If people are aware they need to be recruited, there should be some broadcasting.

 

[Kevyt]

Ezekelrage... really? Wow.

I need to gather my thoughts.

Vote: Seath

 

[squidyj]

Damn, forgot this game was a thing. 4 days is one long ass night phase.

lmao at squidyj leaping out of the gate to peddle mechanics theories. Oh, the irony. Nice prewritten post there lad, a bit odd considering you immediately voted me D1 for doing that (and that one wasn't even serious). Allow me to return the favor!

VOTE: squidyj

Anyway, the Ri'Orious shift yesterday was pretty interesting. Would be genuinely surprised if at least one person voting him near the end wasn't a desperate mafia looking to bus early for brownie points. Multiple maf teams could make sense but I'd rather wait until I actually see some proof for it, one lone team seems more likely to me. But right now, I'm interested in someone who tried and failed to get on that last minute bandwagon - the fast food fellow, the arches so yellow, all bright and mellow, our good pal MickD (who, when asked why he was voting me):



10 minutes later, we see this failed attempt to get a vote in before day end:



What in Ronald McDonald's name happened there, mate? Trying to get your vote locked down on the "right side of history" at the last second or what?

It was the content and tenor of your pretyped post that I didn't like, also it was day 1 and there wasn't anything to say. You're not even going to acknowledge what you did at the end of the day while at the same time deriding my post while agreeing with a few of my conclusions without apparently referring to that fact.

 

[weemadarthur]

Rereading the flip, I'm leaning towards two person team. "You are not alone." Also, keep in mind he didn't need to give up killing to find his partner. It said an attempted kill would still recruit and then give them a double kill the following night. A larger team it would make more sense to have someone killing and someone searching. What I'm curious about is whether the partner knows they can be recruited and what they would be doing in the meantime. If it was a team of two, did they both have killing abilities? If not, did the other's activate when Ri'Orius left?

I'll leave my mechanics speculation there. I'm not terribly far into the actual game so i couldn't speculate that much on factions but i also don't want to get too bogged down. What would be useful is anyone familiar with the game's lore looking for breadcrumbs in day one. If people are aware they need to be recruited, there should be some broadcasting.

A standard lost partner doesn't have the ability to kill while still lost. They would need to have been recruited or be the only team member left, first. But there could be any variation in this game.

If I was looking for a hidden partner, I'd start with generally scummy behavior rather than game lore breadcrumbs. After all, not everyone has played the game, but everyone knows scumminess.

 

[weemadarthur]

Ezekelrage... really? Wow.

I need to gather my thoughts.

Vote: Seath

See, now I'm willing to believe you're scum. You don't generally need to gather thoughts unless you're running them past a scum thread. I watched you last game do it too. Along with your "yay no team" post on day one, I think you're straight up lying on both counts.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

On another note: I still think Hobohodo is scum but this was too apparent not to follow up on: Johnnyquicknives

You posted a vote on magnumboy, but I don't really follow your vote.

OK, it's looking like I'm not going to be around for the day end insanity.

I don't particularly want to vote for a new player. not because it's a dick move (even though it kind of is) but just because I haven't really read enough by them to convince me they are worth looking at. Hopefully in the next day phase we'll get some more substantial contributions from them and it would be good if Vanguard came in to acknowledge the thread soon.

I really don't enjoy Kristoffers scattershot approach but it's something I'm willing to let slide on Day 1 while a lot of people are trying different things to provoke reactions. If he doesn't settle down in the coming days it's the type of thing that I feel becomes a hindrance to the town as it obscures motivations. The same goes for Seaths style.

Haly is a bit stranger, I don't feel his posts are designed to get reactions from people instead he just seems keen to post. A lot. It could be a bold scummy play, but I'm not really feeling it. He has eyes on him now and I'd rather not lynch him today.

Out of the front runners freakinchair was the only one I had a negative gut reaction towards since I didn't like his initial interplay with Seath/Ri'Orious. Purely based on my initial reaction, out of the 3 frontrunners I think he's the best option.


A couple of other things that gave me strong initial negative reactions:



I do understand issues with language but this is a game entirely based around talking, I don't like the fact that this post is setting the stage for limited interactions. I'm OK with being quiet on day one since theres not much to go on, but I don't like the way this is being set up.





Magnum seems to pop up and ask a few innocuous questions seemingly to stir up conversation but really didn't contribute anything further himself. Something about it just felt a little bit forced to me. Like he was trying a bit to hard to seem neutral/complient, thats maybe a little bit awkwardly explained but it just felt off to me and that feeling has stuck.

Vote: MagnumBoy20xx

It was just a straight gut vote.
I was heading out and wanted to get some thoughts and a vote down before the day ended.
As I mentioned I didn't read either Kris or Haly as scummy and wasn't sure about freakinchair, but he was picking up momentum and I wasn't wanting to push that further.

There were a couple of people who had made posts that just struck me the wrong way, Rynam and Magnum. With Magnum something in the tone didn't ring true, and the posts were kind of dancing around the game, asking questions and encouraging some intereaction without really getting involved.
Theres no crazy reads in it but at that point I was more comfortable putting out a vote for someone that I had a bad feeling about than pushing the vote forward on someone I didn't read as scum.


I read the "additional partner" in Ri's role to mean there was at least one non-additional partner. Along with the mention of performing the 'teams' kill and having a chat thread it just seemed like there were more. Definitely is a bit ambiguous though.
I'm intrigued to see how the insight stuff rolls out, I'm not convinced that it's related to the tourist messages that scrafty posted though. I'd be more inclined to think that it's either a constant standard progression or tied to specific players/actions.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Vote: Verelios

 

[Camjo-Z]

It was the content and tenor of your pretyped post that I didn't like, also it was day 1 and there wasn't anything to say. You're not even going to acknowledge what you did at the end of the day while at the same time deriding my post while agreeing with a few of my conclusions without apparently referring to that fact.

Hm, what is there to acknowledge exactly? I tried to get a NL, it failed spectacularly, we somehow ended up hitting maf on D1, everybody wins. If you just want a cookie for being "right" you can keep waiting, cuz I ain't firing up the oven until this game is over and we see for sure whether that suspiciously fortuitous D1 lynch really was what it appeared to be.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I think it's pretty obvious Ri'orius was a solo Mafia who had a partner activated on kill or, as implied, the granted investigation.

Which means at least 2 scum teams and maybe some non-killing neutral(s).

Anyway I don't like how Ri'orius was pushed up from a 3rd place tie in votes to a 4 vote lead within the last 2-3 hours, even ahead of myself as I was gathering suspicion. There's too much there for me to sift through at a casual glance so the path of least resistance is to simply...

Vote: Kristoffer

"Squidyj has quickly brought my tenuous relationship with Ri'orius back into public scrutiny. I better suggest that he was alone, and then shift the attention onto Kris because people thought he was suspicious yesterday, so that might work again today."

It won't.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I like how often my name gets mentioned in posts. It makes me feel like the hot girl that no one wants to be associated with but everyone wants to go home with.

 

[Haly]

I think this "insight" is triggered by killing one of these beasts. Seems the most direct and straightforward way of managing it. Perhaps it's also triggered by being targeted by some nonkilling power belonging to said beasts.

 

[Verelios]

I think this "insight" is triggered by killing one of these beasts. Seems the most direct and straightforward way of managing it. Perhaps it's also triggered by being targeted by some nonkilling power belonging to said beasts.

Does that make sense though? When I think of insight, it's a gradual process over the game. I believe it's triggered by days passing.

 

[Kevyt]

See, now I'm willing to believe you're scum. You don't generally need to gather thoughts unless you're running them past a scum thread. I watched you last game do it too. Along with your "yay no team" post on day one, I think you're straight up lying on both counts.

Yeah you got me. I am scum.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I think this "insight" is triggered by killing one of these beasts. Seems the most direct and straightforward way of managing it. Perhaps it's also triggered by being targeted by some nonkilling power belonging to said beasts.

Does that make sense though? When I think of insight, it's a gradual process over the game. I believe it's triggered by days passing.

Scum trick: distract as many people as possible by focusing on some currently inconsequential game mechanic that we aren't even sure exists yet, instead of talking about leads or suspicious persons.

 

[Verelios]

Scum trick: distract as many people as possible by focusing on some currently inconsequential game mechanic that we aren't even sure exists yet, instead of talking about leads or suspicious persons.

I'm confused, are you talking about suspicion yourself? If you have any misgivings, go ahead and share.

 

[squidyj]

Yeah you got me. I am scum.

Vote: Seath

I believe you.

 

[Kevyt]

Vote: nudull

I am going based on the fact that he just drove in and casted a vote, kind of just joining the bandwagon against Kristoffer.

Likewise, he hasn't contributed much, and being a new player as Haly said, I am inclined to strongly believe he is also scum.

So nudull, are you enjoying the game so far?

Vote: Seath

I believe you.

Thank you.

 

[Kevyt]

Final vote count for Day 1.

ri'orius (10)
seath 120 (261)
freakinchair 205(553)
squidyj 327 (381)
seath 344
squidyj 455 (462)
Palmer_v1 520
roytheone 554
Kristoffer 556
Freakinchair 563
Kalor 564
MagnumBoy20xx 565
squidyj 568
Never Forever 571
Mazre 580

kristoffer (6)
ezekelrage 127
zippedpinhead 144 (153)
haly 229
kalor 347(564)
nudull 424
ii-vanguard-ii 456
mazre 467 (580)
squidyj 509(568)
Freakinchair 553 (563)
Ri'Orius 566
Camjo-Z 576

haly (3)
weemadarthur 114
squidyj 215 (327)
flatearthpandas 234
verelios 269
kristoffer 271 (289)
squidyj 462(509)
palmer_v1 496 (511)

freakinchair (1)
haly 104 (132)
kristoffer 125 (155)
roytheone 284(554)
hobohodo 296
kristoffer 298 (556)
ri'orius 433(566)
Never Forever 507 (571)
Palmer_v1 511(520)

hobohodo (1)
zippedpinhead 153
kristoffer 155 (271)
kristoffer 289 (298)

camjo-z (1)
squidyj 99 (215)
haly 132 (229)
mickd 231

magnumboy20xx (1)
johnnyquicknives 453

DID NOT VOTE (1)
rynam

no lynch (0)
camjo-z 129 (576)
ri'orius 335 (335)

ii-vanguard-ii (0)
ri'orius 128 (335)
seath 261 (331)

seath (0)
never forever 176 (266)
seath 331 (344)

mickd (0)
camjo-z 96 (129)

roytheone (0)
palmer_v1 98 (496)

never forever (0)
magnumboy20xx 198 (250)

nudull (0)
hobohodo 232 (296)

johnnyquicknives (0)
kalor 244 (347)

rynam (0)
magnumboy20xx 250 (565)

zippedpinhead (0)
never forever 266 (364)

weemadarthur (0)
ri'orius 335 (433)

flatearthpandas (0)
never forever 364 (407)

palmer_v1 (0)
squidyj 381 (455)
never forever 407 (454)

Could it be possible that some of scum voted for Ri'Orius while there was that crazy turbo at the end of the day?

I think we should be looking closely at the players who didn't vote for Ri'orius, and right now I'd say we should pressure nudull.