Going into NG+ make the chalice journey faster now, since the insight shop start selling some dungeons exclusive ritual materials.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
- Thread starter Robot Pants
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Dark is not the same as BB. I really hope Sony and From are aware of the many fans of this game to give us a sequel.
DoubleTake
Member
Im just afraid of any potential sequel falling into the same problems Dark Souls 2 did. Bloodborne feels like such a complete world I dont see where they could take a sequel without it cheapening this masterpiece.
Of course I'd have much more confidence if Miyazaki were at the helm for it, but the guy has so much on his plate with new future projects that I dont see how he'd find the time to oversee it. If he did return for it I dont see it happening for 3 years at the least.
Man, Isz ebrietas is really strong. Not doing much to her right now.
Doesn't the blood store sell most of them now as well?
Doesn't the blood store sell most of them now as well?
Things open up in the blood store after using them to create a dungeon, I think, haven't checked after the last update. Don't remember which ritual material it was(Bastard of Loran probably), but in NG+ it shows up in the insight shop and allow you to skip having to go through Loran Chalice before the Defiled Chalice.
Not quite... This below is almost right:
It's easy.
- Kill Blood-starved Beast
- Reload Old Yharnam level from BSB lamp
- Go to Djura from the back (the stairs shortcut and then climb the stairs to the top where he is)
Then you can talk to him andThen you can kill him! >he asks to spare the beasts of Yharnam. If you agree you get stuff.
EDIT: Not completely sure if that's the right order or if you have todo 1. then die to a bag guy and then go thru Hypogean Gaol and kill Darkbeast Paarl first and then go to Djura.
You have to
fight Darkbeast Paarl at least once, but you do not have to kill him. You can even just start the fight and warp out to the lamp. Then approach Djura from the BSB lantern.
I have done this myself to test the conditions.
I mean, he was doing BB and DS3 simultaneously right? After this DLC, this is one of my favorite games of all time. I need more
Orochinagis
Member
So you technically trick the system
you encounter Paarl and met Djura without killing Paarl, since he was required to unlock the shortcut to Old Yharman without entering the main entrance.
Here is the video I did on it, I dont think there are as many qualifications as I even said in the video. Just make sure you travel from the BSB chalice or from Paarls lair. I showed up at Parrl but didnt kill him...someone said you need the insight from going there...not sure but it worked for me in the video obviously.
Insight controls frenzy (more insight, faster frenzy), beasthood (more insight, takes longer to fill beasthood meter if you use beast pellets) and after 15 some enemies get extra attacks. If you want to play it safe or know you are going to fight Winter Lanterns then it's best to have low insight but otherwise just think of it as another currency to spend. With the new patch the blood rocks would be the best investment, before it I bought a few blood chunks and some beast blood pellets plus the armor sets with it.
Parrying with guns is a big part of the game and you should learn to use it, it's really fun and satisfying when you get it right and takes care of many enemies a lot easier. I went thru my first run without really learning to use it but it is very necessary in NG+. The executioners in Hemwick Charmel Lane are a good spot to practice. I generally use the Blunderbuss as it usually hits and can interrupt enemy attacks. Since you use the rifle spear learn to use the gun option in that.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Huh, just received this on the mail today...
Melchiah
Member
I wish people would use spoiler tags, as the DLC isn't even a month old yet.
i wish people would not give a shit about names, because names are seriously not giving a way a thing.
Melchiah
Member
I wish people would not be rude, even if they don't care about spoilers themselves. The names are unquestionably spoilers, as implied by the trophy descriptions only showing afterwards. It's not like the names are the only things revealed on this thread.
Ok did not mean to be rude, but the incessant whining about spoilers everywhere on the web, even though they've actually been proven to not harm the experience at all, gets underneath my skin sometimes.
But tell me, how do the names "kos" and "laurence" spoil for you? I honestly can not fathom how that would work.
And before we venture too far off topic; er, still haven't beaten laurence, I hope the new patch will give me some magic.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Wellllll....... people should just use common sense really... I mean, names like Living Failures or even the name of the DLCs last boss is not really important IMO, and your enjoyment of the story wouldn't be harmed even if you know about their names beforehand, but the name of the 1st boss and the name of the secret boss? Well they're pretty important I think! Since they're named characters from the main game.
Although FROM themselves already spoiled the name of the 1st boss in the trailers and such, lol.
Imperfected
Member
I think it's a pretty huge spoiler that it's not pronounced
. Fuck you, Micolass Cage, git gud at talking.
Kosm
Melchiah
Member
No need to use belittling terms like "whining", even if you don't care about spoilers yourself. They do lessen the experience for me. Especially now, when I'm playing the game without guides, unlike the main game.
They are
mentioned in the main game, and are key figures in the lore
On a side note, it was amusing to see the enemy hunters killing the
Executioner, that emerges from the Grand Cathedral.
KharmaPolice
Member
NG++ the dlc is difficult enough that even at 183 it should still give you a good experience, especially the bosses. I say go for it, but don't level anymore.
I ve found that both forms are best dealth with by dodging toward OoK. In the video, i didnt learn this until the end of the fight though and most of the video is an indication of how NOT to do it. LOL.
Seriously, I really need to call it whining, because it really is borderline childish when I see "SPOILER" shouts and cries on website comments. Not your example per se, but on other sites. Stuff you see on posters or on trailers, etc, or on a normal review that describes a plot that you would see on the back of a dvd.
But fair enough, if the names were a part of the lore in the main game, then I would agree that it is spoilerish.
Oooh my, I learn something new everyday about that game.
Jeez, this boss made me suffer so much, I hate him with the fire of a thousand suns, and today I found out that it's not necessary to kill him to befriend Djura...
Hhhhh.
But anyway, thanks for the information!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
High level like 183 for NG++ doesn't really matter; even 200, since the minuscule defense gain by reaching that high really don't compensate much, if any, against the fact that all enemies, especially bosses, eat your HP pretty much every time you got hit by any of their sneezes.
DLC in NG is much, much easier than NG+; don't wanna even begin to imagine NG++, lol
Paarl is eaaaaaaaaaaasyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Straight up one of the easiest bosses in the main game, IMO.
Just make sure you don't lock on to him, roll under him, and then smack the shit out of its legs. Use sweeping weapons like Cane's Whip, Ludwig's Big Sword Mode, extended Saw Cleaver (actually the short version works really well too), etc etc. He's really easy since you can pretty much just repeat that over and over again and he can't do anything.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
What's a good level to start this?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
65 is FROM's recommendation, I believe. Some of the enemies will outright crush you however, if you haven't been leveling up your character properly. I would recommend at least leveling up your weapon of choice to at least +7 or +8 before attempting this, especially if you begin at that level.
A German Spy, one of the guys who is involved with the guide, said that level 90 is the best level if you don't want a frustrating experience.
Yeah well, I use that method too because this is the only way to deal with him properly, but he's still a pain in the ass because he can't fucking stop moving and even without the lock, the camera still goes crazy.
And let's not talk about his big bro Loran. He's a pure kind of asshole. One of the worst bosses of the game to me.
Melchiah
Member
I guess it depends. Posting crucial cutscenes or end-game content on the screenshot thread is a big no-no for me. The latter includes end-game locations, especially if there's something special about them. It's always better to experience them first hand, and have that moment of surprise. They don't necessarily ruin the experience, but they do lessen it more or less. I just see it as a common courtesy to let others experience them the same way as the early birds did.
I don't generally watch movie trailers, or read reviews and synopses beforehand, as they've spoiled too many things in the past, even major twists and deaths of crucial characters.
EDIT:
I can second to that. Tried the DLC first with 60 level character, and it was too frustrating for me. I raised my level to 90, and now it feels much more manageable.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Yeah, it's possible to get through in 65 or 70, but it's going to be really, really rough. I managed to get all the DLC weapons prior the 1st boss and unlocking the shortcut and the Church lamp by using a level 55-ish character... that was a real pain running around like a rabbit, hahah. Ludwig's Holy Blade can help quite a bit--that stagger potential is priceless to interrupt some enemies to get more breathing room.
Yeah, Loran is a big arsehole, hahahah. Thankfully on my first quest to Platinum I didn't have to fight him considering I did the Chalice in NG+ and the Red Jelly required can be gotten from two trips to Lecture Hall.
I didn't try it in NG but I feel 65 only really works if all your level were spent on just health, vitality, and strength/skill. Spreading your stats too much seems like it would be a problem from what I experienced in NG+.
What makes it so much worse?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
He has a much higher damage threshold before collapsing when you strike his legs compared to his weaker version.
I see. I have yet to take on the lower Loran chalice.
Did you equip the right blood gems? It's really picky.
And don't forget that this is a rather unique/gimmicky weapon so it's to be expected that it's damage would be lower than other weapons.
IMO lvl50 is decent level to start the DLC if you have prioritized leveling Vit up and as long as you have +9 weapon with decent gems. Under that the regular enemies are okay but Ludwig is really infuriating at least for me. I got into the DLC at lvl15 with +2 Saw Cleaver and boy was that rough. Just made the run for Whirligig Saw and went to main game to level up.
Yeah, in one of my games, I got into the DLC at lvl17 and wanted to get the Moonlight Sword, and oooooh boy was I delusional. It was such a bad idea to try to fight Ludwig at this lvl. If I remember correctly, I had a +8 Beast Cutter but my blood gems were too shitty lol
Thanks I will probably just stick with skill for now. Didn't realize one point of strength would give me access to the Church Pick, Rakuyo and Saif in the expansion.
So I think I will build
Vitality: 50
Endurance:25
Skill: 50
That should get me to 100 at least.
SkylineRKR
Member
Done.
Also, holy shit Lost Chikage +10 with almost 800 blood attack. I only need 27.2 without stupid debuffs like -8% or HP loss. 21% gems for now.
Yeah Ludwig at low levels is super hard. I can get to second phase pretty consistently at lower levels but that second phase just wrecks me.
Optional boss against Whirligig Saw. This weapon has some serious damage output.
darkslayer101
Member
like do i get immediate access from insight shop to ritual blood 5 upon NG+?
try beast pellets, might be risky but worth it.
Just beat Kos on NG+4. Funny enough, he was 110,000x easier then Ludwig and Laurence. Why? Cause he didn't have a single one-shot. Ludwig had at least 3, Laurence closer to 4.
He was fairly easy actually. Visceral his first form. Two-hand dodged out with BoM his second form. Took about 20x. He does kill you in two swings though easy. So don't think he doesn't pack a punch.
He was fairly easy actually. Visceral his first form. Two-hand dodged out with BoM his second form. Took about 20x. He does kill you in two swings though easy. So don't think he doesn't pack a punch.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Holy shit, hahaha. That had to be rough. Ludwig is the hardest boss in the DLC, in my opinion.
darkslayer101
Member
almost done with my maria skill build and about to start bloodtinge build.
Any pointers or tips of acquiring chikage fast and dealing with early game difficulty?
or should i just aim to get BLT 50 with my skill build?
Any pointers or tips of acquiring chikage fast and dealing with early game difficulty?
or should i just aim to get BLT 50 with my skill build?
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Pure bloodtinge build is a blast. That's the build I used for the chalice dungeons and the plat. Just focus on the bosses you have to beat (Gascoigne, BSB to avoid 10k emblem, Witch, Amelia, Logarius) to get to the Chikage and worry about the rest later. As long as you pump most of your early levels into Vit you'll be fine.
I went with saw cleaver as my starting weapon to get me to Chikage. It's never steered me wrong!
darkslayer101
Member
I am very tempted to continue my skill build, which has almost 50 VIT and 50 SKL.
Which is faster? starting from scratch or continuing skill build?
The_Darkest_Red
Member
It really depends on what you're looking for. If you want to continue you're looking at going well into NG+ and perhaps beyond. If you start fresh you can get the Chikage in probably 5-10 hours without much trouble. I'm not sure if this is your first run or not but repeat playthroughs go a lot faster than you might expect.
I prefer to start fresh instead of making a jack of all trades build but that's just personal preference I suppose.