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[chicken_pasta]

The article says that they can make up to $18/hr depending on how fast they work, and that minimum wage in the area is $8.25.
As for the benefits... lol, what year is it?

Immigrant workers have ridiculous working hours, low wages and obviously no benefits. I know second hand that sometimes over 10 people will live in a tiny apartment, because they need to save money to help the families they left behind. They can't complain and they need the money, so they get exploited, and nobody does a thing about it.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

As long as they pay the Mexican workers a living wage of a minimum of $15/hr, provide full health insurance benefits, and maintain occupational health and safety standards equivalent to that of the average domestic worker, I say let them bring in workers.

*chuckles capitalistically*

 

[Geno Breaker]

It's so hilarious. There was a news story with farmers in the central valley of California (who voted for Trump) were worried about a shrinking workforce.

 

[Nafai1123]

Paying laborers more is a great solution...if you're willing to pay more for food. I would be fine with it, but I'm curious how many people saying "just pay a living wage" would bitch when they're paying $7 for a gallon of milk.

 

[O Canada Our Home and Native Land]

It's sad how an old book like Grapes of Wrath is still relevant.

 

[commedieu]

It's crazy that morons don't realize how dependent the economy is on immigrants. From farm, to restaurants, construction, to mechanics and other skills that are screwing people over to keep prices competitive with the global market.

Americans are too good for these jobs, as per the American dream. As Georgia proved, even with higher wages, people are just better than labor. That and higher wages still aren't livable for most.

The true costs of MAGA means Americans, making livable wages..and selling these products to whom? Which will include the markup for wages and benefits/retirement...

The system works with immigrants because they send money back home. Or they live in a situation of people pooling money. All of these dollars are spent and contribute to the gdp of Mexico or America or Armenia or whatever the situation is. When you act like you don't need immigrant labor, you're just being a bigot. As usual.

Paying laborers more is a great solution...if you're willing to pay more for food. I would be fine with it, but I'm curious how many people saying "just pay a living wage" would bitch when they're paying $7 for a gallon of milk.

Do you ban products from other nations though? So that your only choice is American product x?

 

[TAJ]

If your industry needs semi-slave labour there is something really wrong there, specially when planes will just fly by and drop pesticide on them.

Planes can't harvest crops.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Paying laborers more is a great solution...if you're willing to pay more for food. I would be fine with it, but I'm curious how many people saying "just pay a living wage" would bitch when they're paying $7 for a gallon of milk.

You pay for the poor anyway. They don't just go away by not paying them a fair wage. $150 more per year for milk is a drop in the bucket to the actual costs poverty has on our society. Given rates of food waste in our society (30%) we'd find ways to cope.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Planes can't harvest crops.

I mean planes dropping pesticide on the illegal workers.

I get people hate Trump here and rightly so, but importing slave labor is not a sustainable way of doing business either.

 

[NastyBook]

Shouldn't find this funny, but I do.

Why? It's fucking hilarious! After years of cutting off their noses to spite their faces, the shit is finally starting to hurt. Let this shit burn to the fucking ground.

 

[Waddle Dee]

Republicans continue to vote for what will hurt them most due to illogical racism. News at 11.

 

[PoorChoices]

You pay for the poor anyway. They don't just go away by not paying them a fair wage. $150 more per year for milk is a drop in the bucket to the actual costs poverty has on our society. Given rates of food waste in our society (30%) we'd find ways to cope.

Thats a gallon of milk every 2.5 weeks. My family (wife, 2 kids, myself) currently use a gallon to a gallon and a half a week via cereal, drinking, and cooking. So lets say 1.25 per week on average.
1.25×$7×52 weeks=$455 goddamn dollars on cow tit juice. That's $37.91 a month.

The problem is its not just milk. Fruit and veggies would also go up. So my $100 grocery bill a week just became $125. That's an extra $1200 a year.

Im not arguing you, its just the point you were trying to prove is actually more of a problem when you do the math.

Most important though is that were going to hear Democrats and Republicans thinking they're fucking witty and drilling their version of "crying over spilled milk" all over Face The Nation and news interviews.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

How can it actually be legal to hire an undocumented immigrant and pay them so little? If it's under the table, how can that be legal?

 

[Nafai1123]

Do you ban products from other nations though? So that your only choice is American product x?

No, but how does it help to import goods that can be produced locally? Shouldn't we be getting away from that from an environment perspective?

You pay for the poor anyway. They don't just go away by not paying them a fair wage. $150 more per year for milk is a drop in the bucket to the actual costs poverty has on our society. Given rates of food waste in our society (30%) we'd find ways to cope.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying that many people don't see it that way. They see the amount coming out of their pocket every week for groceries go up, and that's all they care about.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Thats a gallon of milk every 2.5 weeks. My family (wife, 2 kids, myself) currently use a gallon to a gallon and a half a week via cereal, drinking, and cooking. So lets say 1.25 per week on average.
1.25×$7×52 weeks=$455 goddamn dollars on cow tit juice. That's $37.91 a month.

The problem is its not just milk. Fruit and veggies would also go up. So my $100 grocery bill a week just became $125. That's an extra $1200 a year.

Im not arguing you, its just the point you were trying to prove is actually more of a problem when you do the math

Except the measure is $2 more (this is the actual expected rise for 2017 from the dairy industry). For example, you are paying $5 a gallon now, and the price goes up to $7 a gallon. That's 1.25 * $2 * 52 = $130 of additional cost per year. Your math is wrong.

 

[Astral Dog]

Pay more and provide better working conditions to attract workers.

The milk though didn't you read op 🐄

 

[TAJ]

How can it actually be legal to hire an undocumented immigrant and pay them so little?

H2A visa.

 

[timetokill]

Get rid of the illegals!

Wait, not MY illegals! The other ones I keep hearing about on the news!

 

[PSqueak]

stop drinking milk...you don't need it

Much like eating meat i will stop when it stops being delicious.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Ahhhhh the American economy is still dependent on slaves.

Pay more and provide better working conditions to attract workers.

read the article guys.

Kyle Averhoff, general manager of Royal Farms Dairy in Garden City, Kan., says he’s seen the flow of applicants slow in recent months as the labor market has tightened. Unemployment in Finney County, where Royal Farms is based, was just 2.8 percent in April, down from 3.1 percent a year ago. “We’ve gone to some of the highest-unemployment counties in our state and ran ads, and without success,” he says. An entry-level job at Royal Farms could pay as much as $40,000 in wages and benefits, with no prior skills required, Averhoff says: “For us the immigration issue is not about cheap labor. It’s been about finding people who have the aptitude and want to work in our industry.”

although it doesn't specify for what position that salary is for,they aren't paying slave wages.

 

[family_guy]

Sounds a bit like what people would say about black people in the slavery days.

 

[PoorChoices]

Except the measure is $2 more (this is the actual expected rise for 2017 from the dairy industry). For example, you are paying $5 a gallon now, and the price goes up to $7 a gallon. That's 1.25 * $2 * 52 = $130 of additional cost per year. Your math is wrong.

My math was based on your quoted $7 amount. Milk where I live is actually cheap. ($2.25) so it would be $4.25, so Im going to be spending $276.25.

 

[commedieu]

No, but how does it help to import goods that can be produced locally? Shouldn't we be getting away from that from an environment perspective?



I don't disagree, I'm just saying that many people don't see it that way. They see the amount coming out of their pocket every week for groceries go up, and that's all they care about.

These questions should have been asked before we decided to buy everything from china. Pandora's box is open now. It's a global community. So home grown products won't be able to be purchased by half of our nation which is at the poverty line and below.

It's fun thinking, for sure. But the people against immigrant labor are also against poor people in general. Which is why it makes it clear that these efforts aren't to produce American jobs. It's just to get rid of immigrants, while killing welfare and healthcare.

It's a great theory but people buy cheap products because they can't afford expensive items. So you'd have to a dress that. And again the GOP is pro bootstrap. So.. that's where the fantasy ends.

 

[Dai101]

Much like eating meat i will stop when it stops being delicious.

Hear hear.

 

[chicken_pasta]

How can it actually be legal to hire an undocumented immigrant and pay them so little? If it's under the table, how can that be legal?

It's not legal. People get fake IDs and shit. It's well known, and absolutely needed to sustain the economy, so nobody says a thing.

 

[I H8 Memes]

Americans will do these jobs. I've done it myself. Not any harder than most construction jobs.

The pay is garbage and you would have to relocate 4 times per year every year as the seasons change to have a "career" doing this kind of work. No American wants to live like that and not for that kind of pay.

 

[Xe4]

It has nothing to do with Trump really. Illegal immigration has been dropping since '08, so a situation like this was bound to arise sooner or later.

It's probably for the best. They're going to have to raise the price on labor to above basically slave labor standards, and it'll hurt the consumer but be good for the poorest section of American society. The way illegal immigrants are treated in business is pretty disgusting anyhow.

 

[Captin Quacker]

Representative Roger Marshall, a Republican whose district includes southwest Kansas, says immigration is the No. 1 concern he hears about from constituents. The freshman congressman says he's confident that once the border is secure, ”President Trump will look at this, too, as an economic problem."

 

[VariantX]

You're going to tell me that a lot of American workers don't want hard physical labour jobs? Blasphemy!

Nah, they just want to be paid alot more for that level of physical work.

 

[Rayis]

Good enough to exploit but not good enough to embrace as fellow Americans.

 

[Vicetrailia]

read the article guys.



although it doesn't specify for what position that salary is for,they aren't paying slave wages.

"Could pay as much as" is hogwash. That means you have to get some outworldly productivity rate to hit that $18 an hour and it probably only happens a few times a season. Plus the back breaking work, lack of healthcare and c seasonal nature.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Racist dumbasses continue to blame immigrants because they themselves refuse to change or get an education for better jobs

 

[Apt101]

Am I supposed to feel bad because the farmers can't exploit undocumented workers now?

If my grocery bill has to increase to pay people regular wages to do that work, I'm fine with that.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

It's not legal. People get fake IDs and shit. It's well known, and absolutely needed to sustain the economy, so nobody says a thing.

If they got fake ID's, how the fuck do they get away with paying them so little? What about minimum wage?

 

[I H8 Memes]

If they got fake ID's, how the fuck do they get away with paying them so little? What about minimum wage?

Wait staff and farm workers arent subject to minimum wage laws.

 

[smurfx]

read the article guys.



although it doesn't specify for what position that salary is for,they aren't paying slave wages.

its usually the minimum wage of the state and they can't find many americans to do the work since they can work other service jobs for minimum wage without having to be busting their asses on a hot field every day.