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You can not rip my instapaper reader from my crippled Dota 2 ridden hands
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You can not rip my instapaper reader from my crippled Dota 2 ridden hands
Get a Kindle
Keylime
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Gross...
Why have you fallen so hard from grace, Greyface? You used to be a slightly jaded Apple user guy, but nowadays you seem in full-blown attack mode or something.
I believe 22% of this post, though I am only like 37% awake, so there is a 74% chance that percentage may drop.
Get the superior Macbook Air.
I try to use and suggest the best tool wherever possible.
Keylime
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Meh...that's not a good answer. You know as well as I do that you aren't exactly willing to speak kindly to pretty much anything iOS these days. To imply that a Kindle is better than an iPad is willful ignorance at best.
y'know, I've never tried using my kindle or kobo e-ink readers as instapaper devices. I think they would do a pretty good job, to be honest.
I've always championed the awesomeness of e-ink for reading long passages and novels. it might be rally good for instapaper.
I doubt a Kindle Fire would be much better at anything, though.
I've always championed the awesomeness of e-ink for reading long passages and novels. it might be rally good for instapaper.
I doubt a Kindle Fire would be much better at anything, though.
The kindle fire is basically the NetBook to apples iPad. It doesn't do anything better in fact it does almost everything worse, but hey it's cheaper and smaller right?
Basically the same argument of netbooks compared to notebooks.
Until you want to click a link in an article.
freenudemacusers
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both have hinges and a non-removable keyboard.
Refrigerator
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It appears that he's noting that the Kindle is better in this one specific instance than an iPad. I don't see him claiming the Kindle to be the better device. I greatly prefer reading on my Kindle over my iPad in a well-lit room because of its display. For nearly everything else my iPad is the way to go.
And, speaking as a newer member to this forum, is this the general tone of Apple threads? Apple makes great products, but there stands room for improvement and I don't understand why individuals have so much emotional investment into these products or the company. They're tools to make our lives easier, and personally speaking, the minute another company brings out something that can improve upon that, I'll be ready to jump ship.
In the vast majority of the ReadItLater/Instapaper articles I read, I never click on links within the articles. They're generally self-contained stories, and the various curators I browse through to queue up articles generally use single-page links.
Most of us Apple fans would jump ship to a clearly superior product if it came along as well. Just because people defend the ipad or iphone doesn't mean they have some unreasonable "emotional investment into these products". There's also no need to come off so condescending in your posts.
Everyone is passionate about everything around here. It's not limited to Apple products.
freenudemacusers
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those white apple stickers included with all the electronics mean nothing? your name and avatar suit you, you cold hearted monster
Keylime
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People who think eInk is insanely amazing are so weird to me. I've read way too many books on my iPad to listen to those arguments and think I can provide any rational discussion that would make sense to people who love eInk. For some people it apparently makes a huge difference...
Saying "get a Kindle" to me is like saying "if all you do on your iPad is Instapaper than you should get this device that is cheaper, has longer battery life...but can do next to nothing compared to an iPad instead." It's a false equivalence. Just because a Kindle (non-Fire) is for reading eBooks or can read PDFs or has a browser or has forever battery does not magically make it a good value compared to an iPad. In a sandbox where you only care about a given feature that may be true...but I'd NEVER recommend anyone gets a Kindle over an iPad...because with the iPad you get infinitely more functionality.
If you're a "best tool for the job" kind of guy, you're going to need an iPad and a Kindle anyways. One for apps, browsing, video, email, chat, creativity, etc etc etc...and one for reading books.
Just get the iPad and be done with it. Get both if you're rich. It's not an either/or, though. It's get an iPad AND a Kindle...or just get an iPad.
If all someone wants to do is read an eBook and that's literally it...sure, get a Kindle.
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And sure, I defend the iPad strongly because in my eyes there is literally NO competitor out there right now worth considering. Literally not a single device I'd even remotely consider over an iPad. If money is not a problem, you should have an iPad if you want a tablet.
In my mind there are very very few people who prefer Android over iOS. There are just a ton of people who got it because they either don't like Apple, because an iOS device wasn't the price they wanted....and in the rarest cases in the real world (but much more prevalent online in the tech enthusiast space), people who actually understand the difference between Android and iOS and prefer Android. If someone is clearly in the "knows what they are talking about and just prefers Android" camp, I'd have no beef with them at all. The problem is that it's extremely rare to find someone who prefers Android but doesn't also loathe Apple...hence all the squabbling and defensiveness.
true, but that's not something I do very often at all with Instapaper. For me, it really is 90% about reading long form articles, well formatted.
If you use instapaper more as a link grabber for all sorts of short articles and webpages and and even videos, then obviously a desktop computer or ipad is better for the job
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the new Kindles/ nooks/ kobos are so small and so cheap that you can drop them in a bag along with an ipad or laptop and not even know they're there. And for those who have no problems with the iPad's text rendering, backlight, weight, size and battery life when reading a novel, more power to you. I do notice a difference and I appreciate that e-ink has found a groove and that there's lots of good quality selections available.
A kindle is absolutely something I would recommend to people who want the BEST device for reading a book because the ipad does not come close to it on many counts and there are enough people that care about those deficiencies.
freenudemacusers
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Also of note is that the ipad is much more child resistant compared to my laptop. my son has tried to wrench the screen down on my macbook enough times to stop my heart, not really possible on my ipad. the glass has proven to be pretty scratchproof as well.
I don't disagree with 90%. I think that 10% would annoy me greatly, though.
Keylime
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How many people own both an iPad and a Kindle and use both heavily, though? That's the problem I have with that argument.
I'm not saying the Kindle isn't better for just reading books. It is. But if you have an iPad, I don't see many people deciding to keep both devices actively being used. Keep both charged. Keep both around with you.
The convenience of an all-in-one device is far too attractive.
This is pretty spot on. I was the first to have an iPhone because my friends are all on Verizon or sprint. Now, the majority have moved to iPhone and won't look back. However I have 3 friends who will never go to iPhone simply because they hate apple. All the classic excuses: droids are so powerful! Steve jobs was a dick! Slave labor! iSheep!
What's weird is I find apple haters so defense. All these comments are unprovoked. It's like they have something to prove.
Refrigerator
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I find the emotional investment a bit odd. This isn't the Apple of the late 80s or early 90s when their marketshare was at its nadir and there was a reason for scores to defend and justify the computers they used. Right now Apple is the most profitable company in the world, earning massive margins off its products and doesn't seem to be lacking at all for mindshare or customer support. They are literally the technological zeitgeist. But it seems like vocal Apple users/defenders still consider themselves the underdog while nearly every other metric says otherwise.
I just don't see a reason to jump to the company's defense, or that of their products. I bothers me that people root for viable competitors to fail through IP lawsuits or dismal sales when a monopoly would lead to nothing productive for society as a whole.
I don't think I'm coming off condescending in these posts; I'm genuinely curious about understanding what I've seen here over the last month as I've waded slowly into several Apple-based threads.
But hey, I'll get off my little white soap box now. Thanks for entertaining my thoughts.
I just don't see a reason to jump to the company's defense, or that of their products. I bothers me that people root for viable competitors to fail through IP lawsuits or dismal sales when a monopoly would lead to nothing productive for society as a whole.
I don't think I'm coming off condescending in these posts; I'm genuinely curious about understanding what I've seen here over the last month as I've waded slowly into several Apple-based threads.
But hey, I'll get off my little white soap box now. Thanks for entertaining my thoughts.
or if they continue with the ipad 2 at a reduced price after ipad 3 launch - get an ipad 2 and kindle for the same price as the ipad 2 used to be
kindle hardly needs 'keeping charged'. thats one of the joys of it. Battery lasts ages, email documents to it for free. Perfect untethered device for reading
What attracted you to GAF?
well you only have to worry about charging the kindle once a month
OK, but really, it all depends on how much one enjoys or is annoyed by reading a book on the ipad. that's it. I was annoyed when I tried, so I moved back to the kindle (now kobo) after a couple nights.
If you are not annoyed by the experience. if you find it pleasant, then there is absolutely no reason to get a kindle.
as for the "all in one" argument. well, for my usage, I find having a kindle and ipad similar to having an ipod and old cell phone back in 2005. Sure, it was possible to load mp3s up on the old Sony Ericsson 810i or the Motorola V200, but browsing music and managing content on those phones sucked compared to the ipod, so that's why we all owned ipod and cell phones.
In this analogy, the iPad is the POS cell phone
Once cell phones (well, the iPhone) had great music players, the need for the ipod died down. maybe one day the ipad will be a great reading device for me and I can dump the ereader. But it's not there yet and so I won't compromise my reading experience for the sake of a little bit (and it's really just a little bit) of inconvenience owning and carrying around the ereader.
Keylime
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone cheerlead Apple as all these legal battles are fought. Those threads are created by people that like riling people up...not to discuss the legal merits and implications of the suits. I find all the legal nonsense stupid and uninteresting unless they start having real world impacts. The legal issue with Apple in China for instance is interesting because there were actual halts to iPad sales in the biggest potential growth market for Apple.
As far as hoping competition fades and fails...that is the furthest from the truth (at least in regards to my personal opinion). I think Windows 8 looks boss. I think WP7 is neat. I liked WebOS a good amount. I think Android is a total "I wish I was iOS" copy. I like competition...just when it's competition and not robbery. In my opinion, again.
Haha. Exactly. He does realize he's on a video game message board, right?
We're passionate people about everything. That's why I like it here.
Technosteve
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I have one, I don't think kindle is better when the article has pictures.
Refrigerator
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I bought Skyrim based on a recommendation from a friend and this forum has an active community of users discussing the game, so I registered. Can't say I'm passionate one way or the other over it, and I stopped playing after a few weeks.
Man, that's some quick approval. good timing!
Well you'll notice that there's a lot of emotional investment in things on GAF. Just look at the sports threads for starters. And then Gaming Side. And then Politics threads.
To be honest, I think there's more irrational emotional hatred than irrational emotional investment in things on GAF. At least with those that are emotionally invested, they often can make cogent points about their opinions. If we didn't have the emotionally invested, many threads would just be monotonous repeatings of the same opinions--the emotionally invested allows you to engage in a discussion, maybe bring up a point that you've never thought of. Why would we want to dismiss them?
It is often very hard to have meaningful discussions on some issues on GAF as it is, without being drowned out by posts that are drive-by reactions to a headline, or pre-formed opinions because a certain company, company, or issue is involved. Certainly the case with lawsuits (especially when often times people just lump every single case into the same pattern, when a FRAND issue is not a trade dress issue is not a trademark issue), discussions relating to China, discussions relating to international law, and many other issues.
Take a look at this thread for instance: Apple files yet another suit...
It's probably very likely that the EU may initiate an anti-trust investigation, but you'd never tell from the reactions.
It comes with the territory of GAF and if you want to have a meaningful discussion, just state your discussion points and hopefully someone will engage you. Complaining about the emotional investment of others will get you nowhere.
To be honest, I kind of like the robbery aspect too. Often stolen features are improved a upon. It,s when it turns legal that kinda sucks.
But yeah, I get the whole Android thing - I have no problem with people liking Android for being Android. I find it weird when people like Android because they just hate Apple (as a company).
I own both but from my own personal experience when I got a Kindle I read only on that but because I am on my iPad so much that I slowly started drifting towards reading on it more and more because well, I am using my iPad constantly for so many other things. I am back at the point where I never touch my Kindle anymore and just read on iPad.
Also I fell into the e-ink is the greatest invention since sliced bread argument and as it turns out after all using LCD screen to read isn't some kind of ungodly painful experience.
sonycowboy
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For me (and many others, I'd surmise), there is a signifiant value is having a singular device. I just don't want to be carrying around multiple devices with me.
I've actually started using my iPhone pretty much only as a phone and then email client when I'm in my car. When I'm at home or the office, I never use my phone other than the phone functionality. I always use the iPad.
I would like to have a kindle fire for my app development for android though...
Syracuse022
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I have a Kindle. I recognize that it's better in certain situations (direct sunlight, late at night, it's even slightly more portable), but I find myself using the Kindle app for iPad far more often. When I do return to the physical Kindle to check up on it or download a book (usually one that's already been on my iPad for days or weeks), it has languished its way to losing all of its charge sitting there unused on my nightstand. I'm glad I have a Kindle for beach vacations, but my iPad suffices or trumps the Kindle (screen real estate) most of the time.
Basically this is my situation as well, exactly.
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The worst pad of owning an ipad3 will be being lumped up with apple fans. 
Keylime
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The worst pad of owning an ipad3 will be being lumped up with apple fans.
Better start getting used to waiting in line while secretly lusting after Samsung devices now, my friend.
One of us...
The worst pad of owning an ipad3 will be being lumped up with apple fans.
Can't wait to see where you decide to put the customary tattoo of Woz riding his segway that all of us are required to get.
The worst pad of owning an ipad3 will be being lumped up with apple fans.
Huh?
crazy monkey
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so what are the porn sites that support ipad or phone? Important issue.
planar1280
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Have they even announced the date? cutting awfully close
Apple's iBooks Fairplay DRM circumvented
Finally. I can start buying books from the iBooks store now.
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Oi, this thread turned to shit quickly
Mobileread forums said:
Finally. I can start buying books from the iBooks store now.
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Oi, this thread turned to shit quickly
March 7th is when it will be revealed, invites will go out one week before that date.
LyleLanley
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The one that sounds like youtube works well.
crazy monkey
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Technosteve
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what if the ipad 4 is better then the ipad 3, i can't sleep now
LyleLanley
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Skip the 4 and wait for the 5.
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