Bloomberg: iPad 3 in March with retina display, quad core chip
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9to5mac: Apple working on enhanced A5 chip (A5X) AND completely new chip (A6)
Slow news times, but at least this doesn't completely refute the chance of an A6 in the iPad 3.
Slow news times, but at least this doesn't completely refute the chance of an A6 in the iPad 3.
shira
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http://www.tuaw.com/2012/02/26/best-buy-offers-50-discount-on-ipad-2-models/
It begins, BB $50 off all models
It begins, BB $50 off all models
You charged your father for an iPad?
Yes.
Ken Masters
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http://www.tuaw.com/2012/02/26/best-buy-offers-50-discount-on-ipad-2-models/
It begins, BB $50 off all models
I noticed that in todays ad, I really hope they announce the Apple event this week, then event takes place first week of March
this is the sad world we live in
It's not really that sad. It's sometimes a good idea to be financially independent from even family. Money can be a touchy issue between relatives. Somebody might give another person an expensive gadget (even used), and then 'expect' some kind of unspoken recompense, which I think is unfair (beyond basic gratitude). When it's actually business deal, then at least it's closed.
I think, however, there's no need to mention it being the 'least' you could do, with a justification. Because really, it's not that big a 'favour' to offer something to a family member at a discount.
outunderthestars
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http://www.tuaw.com/2012/02/26/best-buy-offers-50-discount-on-ipad-2-models/
It begins, BB $50 off all models
I feel bad for anyone who gets suckered into getting a worse model for a miniscule amount of savings.
funkystudent
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I hope they drop the ipad 2 to 399.
I want to pick one up for sub 300 used.
I want to pick one up for sub 300 used.
Anticitizen One
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you should be ashamed of yourself
Even at a 2560 x 1440 16/9 ressolution you still wouldn't have 300ppi on a 10 inch screen.
After some research around 300ppi seems to be considered retina at about 12 inches away from the screen. Or at that distance your eyes can't see any difference anymore at a higher pixel count.
Not that big on the words 'retina display' personally.
Refrigerator
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I love how you gave him a discount because he's helping you move. Have you paid him back for the first two decades of your upbringing, yet?
The Internet
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I say death penalty for pulling off such a stunt.
So if he wasn't helping you out this one time, you would have charged him more.
Cold blooded
No, should I?
Yup, he's helping me with my first major project. After that, I have to pay him his full contractor rate for everything else I hire him to do.
I pay him what I'd pay a mechanic when he fixes my car.
I dunno, I guess my family has a different relationship then some of you guys here.
They're just grasping at something to discuss until the official reveal.
I'm wondering how many more times this thread can have the retina display debate. Thrilling stuff!
Ken Masters
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I suppose you have a point, just the idea of selling ANYTHING to my own father or immediate family is just unfathomable
The Nexus display is still Pentile and there are some differences to the naked eye when comparing the screens even though they have similar PPI, but yes OLED will probably get to 'retina' for phones much sooner than they will for tablets. I would hope that Apple would consider them for future iPhones, but that might also depend on how many screens they can physically get ahold of as Samsung has real control of that market and the Galaxy line (and the Tab) are taking a lot of their production capacity right now. Personally, I don't think I can own a phone that isn't OLED for exactly the reasons you listed.
Link? I don't recall them demoing tablet-sized high-res OLED panels and a quick Google search isn't bringing anything up except for a 2560x1600 10.1" LCD (which means I might be eating a hat if Asus uses that thing...)
you're right, it's an lcd. i recalled incorrectly.
Not sure about this tech, but it certainly isn't 'available' because Samsung does not yet have fabrication lines to produce it with the needed capacity.
As for Apple not having interest due to a lack of screen monopoly, they don't have any such monopoly now. Apple doesn't make screens - they have to OEM them just like anyone else. They may make the specification, but it's not like they typically get any sort of real exclusivity in terms of performance.
Samsung doesn't actually own much in the way of OLED patents. They might have some regarding their specific manufacturing techniques, but that doesn't really mean much in the way I suspect you think it does. Also, I don't even think the companies with the patents have them for 10 years ... several important ones run out before then IIRC.
That isn't to say they don't have advantages ... they have huge ones in terms of actual fabrication technique and capability.
Since when does Apple own much in the way of display tech?
While they are certainly cool - I think you're overestimating their usefulness, particularly in the markets Apple is strongest in. I'm not sure how useful transparent phones and tablets are. Much of the obvious use-cases can be done via augmented reality. Moreover, transparent LCD is realistically closer to market anyway. Hell, even Samsung's own demos prove this.
Business can be complex. They have to weigh the amount of money they'd get from Apple versus what they could get from others and how it impacts their own device sales, etc.
That said ...
Yep ... they can't.
Samsung's 7.7" tablet screens are made in their new gen 5.5 fabrication line. So even if we assume they could do a 10" screen on that line, and that it could support the high res Apple wants (or if Apple decided to not increase resolution), they simply don't have the capacity at this point. And prices for what they can produce are simply too high right now.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Nokia uses Samsung panels as well.
They however place some polarization layers between the glass and the panel in order to improve contrast. Their 'ClearBlack' technology isn't only for OLED, they use if with LCD phones as well.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/7/2781915/nokia-clearblack-display-explained
ppi isn't really the long-pole here ... it's arc-seconds per pixel.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34267907&postcount=339
me said:Retina value isn't arbitrary, or at least not entirely. It's based on Apple's assertion that humans cannot resolve beyond 57 arcseconds per pixel. Some would argue that it should be lower, so in that sense it's somewhat arbitrary, but they do have a specific max arc goal they're shooting for. Here's the general formula:
arctan( ( 1 / dpi ) / viewing distance in inches ) = arc per pixel
Since they were assuming a 12" viewing distance and 57 arcsec per pixel, solving for dpi yields 300. They actually overshot it with iPhone 4.
The point here is if they want to claim this as a retina display and be consistent, they're going to shoot for a dpi at some viewing distance (what would we argue is the average viewing distance on a tablet? 24"- 30" maybe?) that yields 57 arcsec per pixel or better.
So the question is, what sort of viewing distance would be considered the norm for a tablet? I'm not sure what the 'right' answer is, but logically it's a bit more than the what's assumed for typical phone usage.
Apple hasn't codified the right distance yet?
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It's the distance from your lap to your face, duh.
lol
But in all seriousness, I'm sure they'll give their 2 cents on the matter ... but obviously that won't be until after they actually announce a product.
Luckily that's the same for everyone.
wait ...
Why? Unless you shit money I don't see selling stuff to a relative as something bad, let alone terrible. My parents use my iPad 2 pretty often and like 2-3 months ago, my dad dropped it, resulting in a bump or two. Just a few weeks ago, my mom elbowed me while I was holding my iPad, which caused it to drop on the floor. So now I'm left with an iPad that has bumps on 3 out of 4 corners, significant scratches on the glass and broken glass in all 4 corners. They wanted to pay the repair costs, but apparently it's gonna cost more than a brand new one to repair both the back and the glass.
Originally, the plan was to sell my iPad 2 a month or so before the launch of the iPad 3 but since that won't really work I've decided to sell it to my parents for 200. My mom has always wanted one but didn't want to pay more than 300 for it and it's cheaper than the repair costs as well.. I feel pretty bad about having to sell it to them, but if they didn't drop it in the first place, I could've resold it without any monetary loss whatsoever. Now if I want to get the new one, I'm out of 200+ so it's not like I'm ripping them off in my opinion.
The distance will be whatever they need to call it a retina display.
My TV is a retina display when I'm standing across the room with my back against the wall.
Technosteve
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i hope ipad 3 doesn't have first rev issues =/
Darko
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http://www.tuaw.com/2012/02/26/best-buy-offers-50-discount-on-ipad-2-models/
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damn it... putting my putting 2 up on ebay now.
290 or bust.
FreeMufasa
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Always amazed at the resale value Apple products have.
Should have given it to your dad for free.
While there is some truth to this ... obviously they can't stretch things too far or they'll get called out on it.
That said, 2048x1526 is plenty high enough resolution to be 'retina' at well less than 24" distance. So in reality there won't be need for truth stretching anyway.
BlueTsunami
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Apple should use the slogan "It only pays for itself". Jesus.
I know. Was just having fun. If they would have a set distance though, a goal, and they would fall just short they would just add an inch to the distance and say it was their goal all along.
And most of the time I use my Ipad on the table infront of me. Wich would shorten the distance. So it would no longer be a retina display as I use it.
I don't really like the term retina display. I wouldn't mind it if there was a set distance. It's not like it's an industry standard. I think it'll cause more confusion amongst tech illiterate then the term HD does.
Ken Masters
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wow, you really want to bring this back up again?
ok, you're right, he should have given his dad a 10% discount for raising him
You wouldn't? Jeez.
It's 'retina' at a hair greater than 14" away - so I suspect you'll be fine anyway.
Obviously though, you have to agree there needs to be some realistic expectation for a viewing distance. Just because one person holds a device right in front of their face doesn't mean anything. It's not reasonable to expect such performance for a corner case like that. If a company starts making claims and uses unrealistic distances though - yes certainly they should be called out on it.
But distance is meaningless if you use the same for all products. Different devices have different typical use-cases. Moreover, there actually is some debate regarding how low the arc really needs to be to truly make individual pixels no longer visible.
What they explicitly did standardize for themselves is a goal 57 arc seconds as being the maximum. iPhone 4 actually beat that if you assume 12" is a reasonable distance. Regardless, I think as long as they specify realistic viewing distances for specific devices and hit 57 or lower ... that's plenty good enough. I'm not sure what an industry standard would do for us since people will continue to argue whether the viewing distance and arc are actually right on each product.
10%? I'm not a jerk. It was 15%.
Ken Masters
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15%? that's pushing it
LOL @ anyone who wouldn't be satisfied with a 2,048 by 1,536 pixel 9.7 inch screen on a fucking tablet.
Who gives two shits whether it's "RETINA" classified through technicalities. It's going to look pretty fucking amazing whether you're using it as a monitor on your ceiling or a screen in your shower, period.
Who gives two shits whether it's "RETINA" classified through technicalities. It's going to look pretty fucking amazing whether you're using it as a monitor on your ceiling or a screen in your shower, period.
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