A Link to the Past
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The sad thing is that the writing and directing of GB is so much better than the shit that the budget went towards. They could have done with less and probably did as well revenue wise (if not better).
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BO 0715-1716 - Ghostbusters bows but Pets bow wow, Dory rekts Shrek for DOM record
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Only the best for Gator and his bitches.
Agent_Carnage
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Exactly. Look at what Deadpool did with 58 Million for a budget. I think GB could of been done with 75 Million.
AcademicSaucer
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Damn, thats brutal
Stallion Dan
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What is there to spin? It's all laid out clear as day. Unless it has little drop off in the coming weeks, against Star Trek, Bourne, Ice Age etc etc, and also does very well internationally, without China, it's a bomb.
The misogyny came, in droves, before they started calling people misogynists.
As I said, the "core audience" chose to be alienated. Casting women shouldn't be a problem, but with the paper-thin skin of the "fans", it sure ended up being a problem.
Keep in mind that while Iron Man and the Avengers are hot property now, there was a reason Marvel still had the movie rights to them. Before the MCU, all those characters were B-listers that no one outside of die-hard Marvel fans had cared about for decades. Good movie-making and superb casting is why they are where they're at now.
Sorry, but that's a huge failure for ghostbusters. With the pent up demand for this franchise, there is no reason this shouldn't have gotten in the mid 70s easily. The terrible marketing for this film, followed by the general backlash to an "all female" ghostbusters cast has done this one in. It's sad, because I think it looks decent, but will probably wait for video.
A Link to the Past
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The backlash against the cast came WELL before the marketing. Shit, the backlash existed before people knew who was in the film at all - all they knew was "female Ghostbusters."
Sibersk Esto
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It's upcoming competition practically guarantees it won't.
Saucycarpdog
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I meant a victory against feminism. Don't you know the back story of this movies production?
ViewtifulJC
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back of the box quote
BronsonLee
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Why do people keep bringing up Ice Age
America has given less and less of a shit about that franchise as time goes on, not less
America has given less and less of a shit about that franchise as time goes on, not less
Saucycarpdog
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I'm talking about the MRA.
AcademicSaucer
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Dude, stop worrying yourself with petty internet fights. Its not worth it.
Yes, how dare those women, wanting to have equal rights and equal representation.
bananafactory
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As MH Williams has said a few times, 75m is an insane expectation for a comedy. There's not much evidence to support that number being realistic, unless you think the GB brand carries that much weight, which seems like that's what Sony thought and miscalculated
Sibersk Esto
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It's actually kind of weird. There was steady growth from 1 to 3 and then it plummeted for 4.
Saucycarpdog
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BronsonLee
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Believe it or not, it kinda follows the same thing that happened to Pirates of the Caribbean
As the domestic dropoff happens for both, the foreign gross goes higher. Pirates 4 is the 2nd highest grossing Pirates film, same for Ice Age 4
It's fuckin weeeeeiird
WordAssassin
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There... there is a quote in the OP saying he exact opposite of this. Ivan Reitman as recently as this past Friday said they have more announcements coming and the Sony rep in the damned OP said they're going to make more. It would have to absolutely crater from here for them to cancel their plans. They started an entire studio because of this. They bought back the rights from Reitman, Aykroyd, and Murray so they wouldn't need their approval to make Ghostbusters movies because of this. They are desperate for franchises. If anything the Ghostbusters Cinematic Universe is off to a shakey start but with all the potential money there is from future films, games, comics, TV shows, etc you can bet your ass they're not gonna stop. If the movie had actually bombed, Sony was going to bury the IP until the 50th anniversary. Thank fuck that clearly didn't happen.
Same with Transformers 4 right?
BronsonLee
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Holy shit
Sibersk Esto
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WordAssassin
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What's likely going to happen is that they will now put out a smaller budgeted, more.. *sigh* "traditional" Ghostbusters movie, people will say "now THIS is how they should have done it!" and they will regain their footing and go from there. Answer the Call set everything up, now they can do a bunch of spinoffs to bring everyone else on board before doing another direct sequel with the new main cast.
Sony put a LOT into rebooting Ghostbusters. This movie was an investment towards the future of the brand for them, which is why it was sitting in such a precarious make-or-break position for the franchise. Clearly with Reitman as well as the rep in the OP saying they're still gonna make more, it did not break.
plagiarize
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And Feig and McCarthy usually have good legs. I wouldn't panic yet!
bananafactory
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I think this one is going to be more front loaded than most of his films, and there's some good competition in the coming weeks. Next weekend will be very interesting
What potential money? The merchandise has been selling poorly (as evidenced by the reductions we've seen in Youtube videos etc) and now this film, which was heavily marketed, has opened to solid numbers.
I do not see where all this potential for a Ghostbusters cinematic universe is coming from. The very suggestion that this has the depth and breadth of source material like a DC or Marvel is laughable.
Kite
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I'd say learn how to not get into petty internet fights and focus on making a great movie. Some superfan is mad online over an adaptation/remake/reboot.. news at 11? I'm sure the studios behind TFA, LotR, Game of Thrones laughed all the way to the bank and shut up the haters.
But to double-down and go with sexists hate the movie and not cus the trailer is shit. I'm not buying a ticket on principle. I would have given GB the Crystal Skull treatment.. I know it's probably gonna be Meh but I'll watch it cus its IJ. Why get into pointless internet fights when you can just vote with your wallet?
WordAssassin
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I've already addressed this in another thread in response to you but you either didn't see it, ignored it, or forgot about it. There's a ton of potential for a GCU. I don't really feel the need to explain that again so I'll just quote myself:
As far as potential merch, yeah, really? Action figures of women aren't selling to kids, specifically young boys, the target demographic of action figures and most toy releases? Who's surprised there. They're gonna shit out a lower budget "traditional" Ghostbusters movie with either just men or a mix of men and women and it's gonna get things back on track. The classic GB stuff has been selling just fine since they started throwing it out there for the 30th anniversary. I sincerely doubt there's some executive somewhere pulling his hair out going "Why isn't this merchandise of these women Ghostbusters selling!?! Fuck!??!"
It doesn't change that the PR campaign for this movie was terrible.
1) Bad trailers
2) dragging the director and one of the stars out on national tv to call the people that don't like the trailers sexists living in their moms basement was a dumb move. There were a lot of people that thought the trailers looked dumb, and the movie didn't look funny, but didn't care one way or another that the GBs were women (other than they would have preferred a direct sequel, even if starring a new team).
They eventually realized this and tried to circle back and have Feig and and Ivan Reitman go and walk back/clarify their positions but the damage was already done.
It's like if JJ Abrams came out in October talking about how all Star Wars fans were a bunch of losers. I'm sure there were people out there talking about how awful it is that there's no white guy in the lead roles of Star Wars: TFA, but the pre-release PR just stayed on topic about how it continued the story from the OT and played up its connections to the original films.
Sony should have take a cue from that, acknowledged that fans were worried, and played up the similarities between the films and said something like "Would have loved to do a direct sequel, but Harold passed on, and the other guys are too old to be running around with 60lb proton packs.... But this movie stays true to the spirit of the original and there's a lot here for fans of that movie!"
As soon as seeing or not seeing the movie became more about taking part in the culture war than watching and enjoying a Ghostbusters movie, the damage was done. Those dudes spending $800 to build a proton pack for conventions are the guys that will see this movie 5x, buy a bunch of merchandise, and encourage friends and family to see it. Offending them may have felt good, but had to have hurt the financial performance of the movie.
And I say that as someone who really enjoyed it, and thought the trailers really didn't do the movie justice.
IMO, they should have cut the first trailer in the style of the 1984 trailer, and built up the connections with the original movie much earlier. Hopefully it does well enough that they will continue to make Ghostbusters movies, because it was honestly a pretty good movie.
A Link to the Past
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Feig's comments were in reply to people harassing and threatening his cast
AntraxSuicide
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I'd argue that even that wouldn't be some Jurassic World revival. Ghostbusters is honestly not that loved. It's not a franchise with a lot of people who hate it, but a ton of folks who just don't care. Murray's best time to leverage a movie like this was when Zombieland reminded people that he wasn't dead.
There will never be such a thing as the "GCU". There might be a couple of sequels to Feig's film or they might double down on that animated film but there will never be a Ghostbusters universe mirroring what Marvel has done.
When you say 'traditional' Ghostbusters film you mean a comedy with supernatural/horror elements like the first film?
Isn't that what Paul Feig just did?
ViewtifulJC
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he means "with men"
WordAssassin
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The danger of doing that (and something they didn't exactly avoid in the first place with how poorly the first trailer was made) is that the masses would then think it was a sequel when it isn't. I know you and I aren't the mindless grapes who would get confused by that because we're on forums discussing this shit to death, but putting out a trailer showing all the connections to the original movie would have muddied the message that it's a brand reboot. I mean look at the confusion the first trailer caused even here of GAF, with our fingers right there on the pulse. Other lesser informed people were confused as hell.
I mean fuck in the spoiler thread someone saw the movie and still somehow thought it was a sequel.
BronsonLee
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Honestly fuck making a universe out of it
Just let Feig cook, I liked that movie and the problems I had with it mostly stem from Sony trying to ram dumb shit into it like that 'epic' 3rd act
Just let Feig cook, I liked that movie and the problems I had with it mostly stem from Sony trying to ram dumb shit into it like that 'epic' 3rd act
I think he means with dudes.
Frankly, I think the movie can get away with a lower budget. The big action set pieces were ok, but didn't add that much to it. Ghostbusters sort of works better with more grounded action. In the original most of the "action" is four dudes standing around holding wands with lights on them while a strobe and a fan are pointed at them off-screen. Then there are some practical effects with stuff catching on fire and blowing up. Later someone drew in some lasers. In a way, that works better than choreography and rolls and throwing ghosts around because it's more grounded.
I have always thought that Ghostbusters fandom was the ultimate 'fan boy echo chamber' just like the Scott Pilgrim cheering section except writ large owing to the amount of vitrol certain sections of it spewed forth when this film was announced.
Squeaky wheels and all that.
Ahhh.
WordAssassin
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I actually agree with you 100% that they will never get where Marvel is, but I'm just using Sony's wording by calling it the GCU. What you're saying is exactly what will happen, which historically is just called a movie franchise. James Bond isn't a cinematic universe despite having like 40 movies, Ghostbusters won't be either, but that's just the new hot thing to call "several movies that take place within the same franchise that cross over with one another".
As for your second point no, sadly I mean a movie with men as the main characters or at least a mix of men and women. I don't like that that makes it "traditional" but I can almost guarantee you that's what it'll be called since having it be four women was such an insanely radical departure that droves of people just could not get past it and enjoy the movie.
To be absolutely clear before this somehow gets taken out of context, I love the reboot, I love the women cast, I think it does certain aspects of the Ghostbusters idea better than even the original. I do not agree with the thought that making another movie with men is making a "traditional" Ghostbusters movie and it makes me sad to even have to say something like that but I can already see the news articles calling any movie they put out with men Ghostbusters in it "more traditional" and that fucking sucks. I mean they were already doing it when the rumored Channing Tatum sequel made headlines. It's fucking stupid. That's why I put it in quotes.
BronsonLee
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Yo don't go at Scott Pilgrim you bitch 
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I still really want to watch Finding Dory. Hopefully I find the chance before it leaves the cinema.
In a world where remaking Robocop and Total Recall seems like a good idea, remaking Ghostbusters seems like a great one.
GB is not Marvel, DC, or Star Wars but it's probably the best of the until-recently dormant 80s franchises.
Sho_Nuff82
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On a scale of Sinister Six to Venom, how likely do you think a GB sequel with the same cast happens (or a cinematic universe spin-off) if it makes <$300 million WW? It will be rebooted again or have the budget drastically cut.
Dash_Riprock
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Give Disney the Ghostbusters license and add the original crew to the Avengers.
ElBoxyBrown
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There ain't gonna be no games if Activision continues to not give a fuck about the property.
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