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[M1chl]

So very sad news today, 25 years old Boeing 737-500 crashed in Indonesia. Based on data provided chances of survival are minimal, it must have been harrowing last few minutes.

The flight was carrying 59 passengers, including five children and a baby, reported Indonesian newspaper Republika.
It was heading to Pontianak, the provincial capital of West Kalimantan.
The plane lost more than 10,000 feet of altitude in less than a minute, reported flight tracker website FlightRadar24.

If you find this map familiar, it's because more or less is where Lion Air Boeing 737-MAX8 crashed, however those two are not linked and plane was not B737 Max.

With such a fall it could have been stall or something like that. News are still developing. Fuck 2021 right at the begging.

 

[M1chl]

Debris was found near Laki Island:

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[Patrick S.]

RIP

 

[ManofOne]

Damn, please let them find survivors.

Hope they recover the black box quickly.

 

[M1chl]

Damn, please let them find survivors.

Hope they recover the black box quickly.

Chances are really slim, the velocity of the crash was very high and it hit the sea, hopefully black box is going to be found soon.

 

[fran.fernandez]

Sad

 

[Jill Valentine]

With the rate of descent, you would guess catastrophic failure as in loss of significant plane sections such as a wing, deliberate crash or a possible explosion? I've watched quite a few plane crash videos so I'm an expert.

 

[Patrick S.]

I'm always uneasy when I'm on a plane. Dying in a plane crash is the kind death I'm most afraid and horrified of.

 

[nush]

I'm always uneasy when I'm on a plane. Dying in a plane crash is the kind death I'm most afraid and horrified of.

Meh, it's quick at least.

 

[teezzy]

I'm so glad I'm immortal

 

[Porcile]

Meh, it's quick at least.

It is? I think a lot of people survive the initial crash.

 

[Patrick S.]

Meh, it's quick at least.

I've watched plenty of plane crash documentaries on Youtube, sometimes planes are in trouble for a long time before they finally crash. All that time, you know that there is no escape and you are going to die. Look at Japan-Air-Lines 123, their nightmare took half an hour.

 

[Patrick S.]

It is? I think a lot of people survive the initial crash.

When a plane crashes at several hundred knots per hour, you are pulverized. There's no surviving that.

 

[nush]

I've watched plenty of plane crash documentaries on Youtube, sometimes planes are in trouble for a long time before they finally crash. All that time, you know that there is no escape and you are going to die. Look at Japan-Air-Lines 123, their nightmare took half an hour.

Rough landings and turbulence, I'm like Hicks.

 

[Porcile]

When a plane crashes at several hundred knots per hour, you are pulverized. There's no surviving that.

Fair enough but I do remember watching a documentary years ago where they simulated a plane crash in a desert and the test showed that a lot people would survive the initial impact but the injuries sustained from it would kill from being unable to move and then suffocating or burning etc

 

[Patrick S.]

Fair enough but I do remember watching a documentary years ago where they simulated a plane crash in a desert and the test showed that a lot people would survive the initial impact but the injuries sustained from it would kill from being unable to move and then suffocating or burning etc

Sure, it's a matter of speed and angle of impact. In a nose-down crash at a high rate of speed... you become part of the plane, basically

 

[Jill Valentine]

I've watched plenty of plane crash documentaries on Youtube, sometimes planes are in trouble for a long time before they finally crash. All that time, you know that there is no escape and you are going to die. Look at Japan-Air-Lines 123, their nightmare took half an hour.

I always pick my flight seats roughly based on the survivors of that crash. I believe someone did manage to land that plane in a simulated environment saying it was possible, but hindsight and knowing the problem is great.


I did some retard calculations, but we kind of need to know the exact amount of time for descending. Hoping some math wizard can help us.

10,000 feet, @ 60 seconds = 166 feet per second = 113 mph, so probably something less than 60 seconds, to the point where the tracker of the plane hits terminal velocity in an unrefined way aka plane not intact? If the plane lost systems it would be more likely to glide (I'm sure they're designed this way), and if it was deliberate the plane would dive a lot faster with the engines pushing it beyond the maximum speed tolerance?

But if it suddenly exploded or lost sections you would expect they would know from the distribution of debris across the sea. If it was anything else they would've have some contact with the plane and could tell us already?

I like to solve easy problems.

 

[nush]

I always pick my flight seats roughly based on the survivors of that crash. I believe someone did manage to land that plane in a simulated environment saying it was possible, but hindsight and knowing the problem is great.


I did some retard calculations, but we kind of need to know the exact amount of time for descending. Hoping some math wizard can help us.

10,000 feet, @ 60 seconds = 166 feet per second = 113 mph, so probably something less than 60 seconds, to the point where the tracker of the plane hits terminal velocity in an unrefined way aka plane not intact? If the plane lost systems it would be more likely to glide (I'm sure they're designed this way), and if it was deliberate the plane would dive a lot faster with the engines pushing it beyond the maximum speed tolerance?

But if it suddenly exploded or lost sections you would expect they would know from the distribution of debris across the sea. If it was anything else they would've have some contact with the plane and could tell us already?

I like to solve easy problems.

Pretty much, if a plane lost all power to engines is still has some flight control. Nose down stall, it's pretty much over.

 

[Onikaan]

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Fair enough but I do remember watching a documentary years ago where they simulated a plane crash in a desert and the test showed that a lot people would survive the initial impact but the injuries sustained from it would kill from being unable to move and then suffocating or burning etc

I live in SW Scotland a few miles away from where Pam Am 103 came down over Lockerbie and I recall a farmer telling a story about finding a young woman in a field, still strapped into the seat who was alive (or at least still had a pulse), but passed before emergency services could get to her.

Harrowing shit.

 

[M1chl]

Maybe some rudder failure, because even ascend seems pretty steep. Also maybe some overbank when they started turning, like this accident:

Flash Airlines Flight 604 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Patrick S.]

I live in SW Scotland a few miles away from where Pam Am 103 came down over Lockerbie and I recall a farmer telling a story about finding a young woman in a field, still strapped into the seat who was alive (or at least still had a pulse), but passed before emergency services could get to her.

Harrowing shit.

There was a girl who survived something like this. Her parents died in the plane, but she fell into the jungle, strapped to her seat, and she survived until she was found after some days or weeks, don't remember exactly.

 

[Porcile]

There was a girl who survived something like this. Her parents died in the plane, but she fell into the jungle, strapped to her seat, and she survived until she was found after some days or weeks, don't remember exactly.

Juliane Koepcke. Werner Herzog made a film about her called Wings of Hope.

 

[jufonuk]

RIP to the poor souls on board.

 

[Breakage]

I heard one guy had his wife and three children on the plane. Sounds as if it just fell from the sky.

 

[Patrick S.]

Rough landings and turbulence, I'm like Hicks.

 

[Robot Carnival]

shit... RIP to all the victims. hopefully they can find out the cause and recover some of the bodies so those family can get some closure.

2021 is really trying to live up to it's older brother so far huh?

 

[Cycom]

I can’t imagine the terror people inside must have felt those last moments. The kids especially.

 

[King of Foxes]

I've watched plenty of plane crash documentaries on Youtube, sometimes planes are in trouble for a long time before they finally crash. All that time, you know that there is no escape and you are going to die. Look at Japan-Air-Lines 123, their nightmare took half an hour.

I remember reading about how they said all the people on that plane that was shot down in Ukraine would have been knocked unconscious straight away as soon as they got hit.

And then another story that they found one guy with the oxygen mask on and implied he was conscious until impact.

And then that Austrian plane where the pilot slowly decended into the side of that mountain and apparently you can hear all the people screaming on the black box.

Fuck dying in a plane crash

 

[J-Roderton]

Scary shit.

 

[notseqi]

I heard one guy had his wife and three children on the plane. Sounds as if it just fell from the sky.

fuck, I'd be off too after a confirmation like that

 

[nightmare-slain]

why the hell are people mentioning the age of the aeroplane? seen it here and on reddit now.

surely the age of the plane doesn't matter? what about the poor people who were on board? incredibly disrespectful!

 

[Jill Valentine]

why the hell are people mentioning the age of the aeroplane? seen it here and on reddit now.

Well one thought; Older plane = more likelihood of damage = more repair jobs = more room for eventual mechanical failure.

For JAL 123 which lost its tailfin(?), there was a gap of 7 years from the repair it underwent until that repair failure caused it to crash.

 

[notseqi]

Well one thought; Older plane = more likelihood of damage = more repair jobs = more room for eventual mechanical failure.

For JAL 123 which lost its tailfin(?), there was a gap of 7 years from the repair it underwent until that repair failure caused it to crash.

To add: There's a ton of refurbished parts around, the crucial ones are x-rayed for cracks and fissures and put back into service. 25 years wouldn't be a problem if they kept to the rules, did spotless maintenance etc.
Even then there is a slight chance something breaks.

Problem with a lot of smaller airlines is that they do only the minimum to keep the planes running but leave out preventive maintenance that can lead to compounding failures.
The reason why ton of airlines are banned from landing in a lot of countries.

edit: I a letter.

 

[Cutty Flam]

I'm always uneasy when I'm on a plane. Dying in a plane crash is the kind death I'm most afraid and horrified of.

My brother and one of my best friends traveled to Colombia I think it was, and they went with a cheaper flight option, a company named Lion Air. The day that Lion Air flight 610 took off my bro and friend decided to not return home that day but go the next day instead. If they had not chose to fly back to the U.S. the next day, they would both be dead

I have never trusted aviation, even the best of airlines I din’t give a fuck what the safety statistics are. It could happen to anyone. And sone needs to create a protocol that will save lives in the worst case scenarios during flight. There has to be a way to avoid everyone dying, in the event of an imminent plane crash. Or at least something that will provide a higher chance to survive

 

[notseqi]

My brother and one of my best friends traveled to Colombia I think it was, and they went with a cheaper flight option, a company named Lion Air. The day that Lion Air flight 610 took off my bro and friend decided to not return home that day but go the next day instead. If they had not chose to fly back to the U.S. the next day, they would both be dead

I have never trusted aviation, even the best of airlines I din’t give a fuck what the safety statistics are. It could happen to anyone. And sone needs to create a protocol that will save lives in the worst case scenarios during flight. There has to be a way to avoid everyone dying, in the event of an imminent plane crash. Or at least something that will provide a higher chance to survive

Just make the whole plane out of the black box material.

 

[Patrick S.]

My brother and one of my best friends traveled to Colombia I think it was, and they went with a cheaper flight option, a company named Lion Air. The day that Lion Air flight 610 took off my bro and friend decided to not return home that day but go the next day instead. If they had not chose to fly back to the U.S. the next day, they would both be dead

I have never trusted aviation, even the best of airlines I din’t give a fuck what the safety statistics are. It could happen to anyone. And sone needs to create a protocol that will save lives in the worst case scenarios during flight. There has to be a way to avoid everyone dying, in the event of an imminent plane crash. Or at least something that will provide a higher chance to survive

Holy crap.

 

[Patrick S.]

Just make the whole plane out of the black box material.

Yeah, make it out of steel so it'll crush you even harder when you crash...

 

[Cutty Flam]

Just make the whole plane out of the black box material.

I don’t know enough about planes to contribute much unfortunately, is that a realistic option that might save lives? I know that planes cannot have much weight on them

I always wondered why there hasn’t been lighter parachutes created and allowed for every passenger specifically for the event of a plane crash? I think people would need oxygen tanks or something as well since they are so high up, not sure how all the science in this situation goes but I am very surprised that there isn’t an organization that funds trying to find these answers. I’ve never once heard of one, at least

 

[Prison Mike]

why the hell are people mentioning the age of the aeroplane? seen it here and on reddit now.

surely the age of the plane doesn't matter? what about the poor people who were on board? incredibly disrespectful!

Maybe because things deteriorate through the years, maybe because new planes have updated safety measures, not everything is cause for a argument obviously rip to the poor passengers that goes without saying.

 

[Patrick S.]

Planes need to be made out of flexible material that can take the expansion and compression of the hull when the aircraft is pressurized. That doesn't work with a steel body. Also, steel rusts. And the planes would be really really heavy and unable to fly anyway.

 

[Patrick S.]

why the hell are people mentioning the age of the aeroplane? seen it here and on reddit now.

surely the age of the plane doesn't matter? what about the poor people who were on board? incredibly disrespectful!

Material fatigue is a thing. Airframes are even built to handle a fixed amount of cycles (takeoff, flight, pressurizing, depressurizing, landing). After this amount of cycles, the aircraft is discarded.

 

[notseqi]

Yeah, make it out of steel so it'll crush you even harder when you crash...

is that a realistic option that might save lives?

It's a go-to joke for shit comedians, and no, it's not realistic. The weight would kill any semblance of fuel efficiency.

I always wondered why there hasn’t been lighter parachutes created and allowed for every passenger specifically for the event of a plane crash? I think people would need oxygen tanks or something as well since they are so high up, not sure how all the science in this situation goes but I am very surprised that there isn’t an organization that funds trying to find these answers. I’ve never once heard of one, at least

On-the-fly, I'd say make compartments inside of the hull that can be shed from the hull, maybe slide out of the back side, then parachutes. The compartment would have to be blocked from incoming wind, some kind of hyperdurable tarp could be shot down from the front of the compartment to block some of it.
Drop the compartment, have it fall for a bit to lose speed, then the parachutes. Cold, wind and debris could be a factor but not every-fucking-last-one would die.

edit: the real 'why' is, as always of course, cost =D

 

[Patrick S.]

It's a go-to joke for shit comedians, and no, it's not realistic. The weight would kill any semblance of fuel efficiency.


On-the-fly, I'd say make compartments inside of the hull that can be shed from the hull, maybe slide out of the back side, then parachutes. The compartment would have to be blocked from incoming wind, some kind of hyperdurable tarp could be shot down from the front of the compartment to block some of it.
Drop the compartment, have it fall for a bit to lose speed, then the parachutes. Cold, wind and debris could be a factor but not every-fucking-last-one would die.

edit: the real 'why' is, as always of course, cost =D

Just fly on C-130s and strap on parachutes.

 

[ipukespiders]

I'm always uneasy when I'm on a plane. Dying in a plane crash is the kind death I'm most afraid and horrified of.

I've watched plenty of plane crash documentaries on Youtube

Don't do this.

 

[Draef the Badger]

Boeing don't make good planes.

 

[M1chl]

Boeing don't make good planes.

If it's Boeing I ain't going. But I don't think that's true, these planes flying everywhere without an issue, so this might by some maintenace problem or pilot error (unlikely)...

 

[Reptars Revenge]

RIP why does it always seem like its Indonesia

 

[notseqi]

Boeing don't make good planes.

I refrained from going there but I was thinking about something like 'Oh they're retrofitting MCAS now?'

 

[TrainedRage]

South Eastern Asian Airlines scare me.

 

[Kadve]

A 737 in a vertical dive? Is Boeing's rudder issues coming back to haunt them?

Boeing 737 rudder issues - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

RIP to those involved.