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Bonus Round - Online Services
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Il Comodino said:
What's the point of having more people if you don't want to talk to them? They might as well just be bots then.
More is not always better when it comes to online shooters. I've been in plenty of 50 man servers in Counterstrike Source, but I always have more fun where it's ~20 players. Yes I know Resistance 2 separates you into smaller squads, but it begs the question of why even bother to put that many people together if you're supposed to ignore everyone except the 8 guys you're competing with?
fizzelopeguss
Banned
I haven't watched the video yet, (BT Broadband is barely above 56k speeds on sundays) but i'm guessing they fawn over XBLive, shit on PSN and ignore steam/PC online in general?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
They talk crap almost the whole time. No outlining of what PSN is doing right or acknowledgment of the unique content (Games).fizzelopeguss said:
Spiegel said:
On Xbox Live, almost nobody has duplicate accounts. Maybe a few on Xbox Live, but most people want to only ever use 1 account to accumulate tons of achievement points. Sony always releases stuff in Japan and Europe first, so their majority US online base is always chasing content with accounts. Microsoft almost always releases stuff in the US first, recognizing that it is where most of the online base is, plus I'm they changed it so you can't just make duplicates to get Japanese content (which is usually of no interest, Idol Master wat?) anyways.
LiquidMetal14 said:
Is it so hard to see why people are upset about PSN? Sony had a year to copy Xbox Live but didn't. It's been obvious from the start that their Japanese overlords never took online seriously, and only did it because of the Xbox 360 pressuring them. Then they announced ambitious plans to improve but have been really slow at rolling updates out. The only good thing about PSN is the bigger downloadable games, but in reality, downloadable games are still chump change compared to retail sales. Burnout Paradise is the best selling PSN download game, and it sold 25,000 copies.
TheMissingLink
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Pachter pisses me off.
Free hurts the model? And because asshats can come in and play? Uhhh, Live has a ton of dumbasses.
Also.
He's complaining about how Sony never releases # of players for a certain game - guess what, doofus, neither does Microsoft!! Sure, they rank which are most popular, but you never seen accurate # of players.
Free hurts the model? And because asshats can come in and play? Uhhh, Live has a ton of dumbasses.
Also.
He's complaining about how Sony never releases # of players for a certain game - guess what, doofus, neither does Microsoft!! Sure, they rank which are most popular, but you never seen accurate # of players.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Zzoram said:
60 player lag free. The rest is nice, but fluff.
But maybe that's the computer gamer in me talking.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
LOL what? I swear they said a while back that flow was their best selling game. And that was over a year ago, it seems.Zzoram said:
And the bigger games are a good point BUT the little games make it a standout as well.
Now we could argue about the movie services and junk but to me the games matter the most. Not having more movies and such. Or more arcade games for that matter.
travisbickle
Member
Zzoram said:
Everyone knows playing against real people is better then playing against AI, .
Patcher's comment about PSN being bad because it's free is very muddled, the only good thing about it is it's free, and then he says xbox players are allowed to bitch and swear because they paid for it!
I've seen him getting confused before when he tries to marry together the arguement of businesses making money and the users experience, he is a business man at heart.
Zzoram said:
yes exactly, and analysts can do this just fine, i know, my brother is one for UBS .. and they acn get quite lucky just looking at numbers and history.
BUT ..thats not that this pannel is there for ..they are there to supposdly discuss the merits and features of these online services...and patcher admits in episode one to not having even bothered to load up the new XBL interface, even though he has the disc ... and he's totally ignorent to anything psn. so again ..what's he on this for? it's clear the only contact with the gameing industry and exposure to actual games he gets is the odd MS funded junket he gets invited to.
I think Left 4 Dead is a perfect example of how more players doesn't mean a better experience. I have more fun with Left 4 Dead's low player count because I actually feel like I'm part of a team that depends on me, and that I depend on. The more people there are, the less team work there is, it's plain and simple. It's hard to coordinate with more than a couple of guys.
Tylahedras
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You know, while I agree with Pachter in theory that free should provide greater numbers of assholes... it's just not true in this case.
I've spent good time with both systems and I can tell you that XBL is MUCH worse with jerks, likely for two reasons.
1) PS3's lack of a headset means only people interested in investing in one have it talk into. It's the exact same reason that Pachter thinks live would be better ironically.
2) PSN seems to trend older, I've noticed many fewer 13 year olds saying bad words for the sake of saying bad words. (Or perhaps they just don't have a headset?)
I hear more obscenities in five minutes on XBL then I do all day on PSN.
Somewhat ironic that you'd have three people talking about PSN who obviously don't use it. But their points aren't without merit, PSN needs a party system and invites overhaul pretty bad. If you want to play with random people it's fine, but with friends it's a hassle.
I've spent good time with both systems and I can tell you that XBL is MUCH worse with jerks, likely for two reasons.
1) PS3's lack of a headset means only people interested in investing in one have it talk into. It's the exact same reason that Pachter thinks live would be better ironically.
2) PSN seems to trend older, I've noticed many fewer 13 year olds saying bad words for the sake of saying bad words. (Or perhaps they just don't have a headset?)
I hear more obscenities in five minutes on XBL then I do all day on PSN.
Somewhat ironic that you'd have three people talking about PSN who obviously don't use it. But their points aren't without merit, PSN needs a party system and invites overhaul pretty bad. If you want to play with random people it's fine, but with friends it's a hassle.
LiquidMetal14
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Trust me, this is not the best selling game on PSN. I know way more people just on my friends list who have stuff like SSHD or Wipeout than the DL version of BP. That title was frontloaded at retail and conveniently placed on the PSN. By and large, the sales of that game were in retail and not PSN. But if they've sold 25k unique DL's on PSN then that is excellent. But I still believe it's not even close to something like SSHD which has seen it's share of time on the top ten list on the frontend of the store.Zzoram said:
At a time like this, it would be nice if there was a way to gauge the amount of sales like LIVE. I guess the only fair gauge is looking at the leaderboards of a game.
Wow.
Are we back in 2007? The same excuses and remarks made in the show make it seem like these whole past 12 months have not transpired.
lol.
I really wish people would get with the times, it's a shame that people like Pachter can get on a video game podcast thingy, yet not know anything about videogames. lol.
Are we back in 2007? The same excuses and remarks made in the show make it seem like these whole past 12 months have not transpired.
lol.
I really wish people would get with the times, it's a shame that people like Pachter can get on a video game podcast thingy, yet not know anything about videogames. lol.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Zzoram said:
If a game and server can handle 60 players smooth and lag free then that's a solid base for any multiplayer. Hits not registering and players warping all over the show is not a good online experience, and i've experienced that far too often on this "glorious" subscription based XBLive.
L4Dead's demo matchmaking is winding me up, maps not loading, laggy ass games when i do get in, any idea if there's a server browser for it?
Didn't really see this discussed but the part where they really could not come up with anything that would add to Xbox Live. How about full downloadable retail 360 games? That ever going to happen? It would be great to see MS's full first party offering on there. They could even pull a Steam and put up bundle deals and sales on occasion. Although knowing MS the sale part maybe a little too much. IIRC, for every $60 game sold at Gamestop the publisher gets $48. I mean Microsoft could offer there games for $55 online and still make a better margin (especially so since there would be no boxing or shipping of the product as well).
Pachter is something else with his Xbox Live Country Club analogy. Love it. :lol
Pachter is something else with his Xbox Live Country Club analogy. Love it. :lol
Zzoram said:
The game sold 20k in three weeks
http://www.edge-online.com/news/burnout-paradise-psn-20k-downloads
And no, that number doesn't sound totally reasonable for the best selling PSN game.
LiquidMetal14
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He's a great guy and I love listening to him but his main gauge to the hardcore is here. He's great at sales talk but in terms of game knowledge he's not cut out to make those kinds of calls.DMeisterJ said:
This wouldn't be a bad idea. Offer an alternative to your hardcore base who has the HDD to handle it. Heck, with the new FW coming more users (myself) will turn it on just to install games and see how they run. Not to mention it reduces stress on key components.Jtyettis said:
Not even close. a 30 dollar impusle buy of a retail game is far less attractive then a game like SSHD which has had tons of word of mouth here on GAF alone (And is much cheaper).Spiegel said:
But again, SNE announced or mentioned a good while back that Flow was their best seller. I'm betting SSHD is the top dog now.
I use both services quite frequently but prefer PSN even though I have more real life friends on xbox live. Of the games I play over PSN, I never have a problem finding games with friends and talking to them before the game in the PSN's chat feature. I also don't understand the whole no one talks because they don't have a headset argument. If I am in a game with randoms, I will never use my headset at all, this goes for Live and PSN. Is not having a bunch of random people yelling at you really seen as a negative?
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Zzoram said:
1UpYours also stated on their podcast that the Halo 3 beta came with Shadowrun.
Big-E said:
Go to your privacy settings and change your voice chat to friends only. Problem solved.
davidjaffe
The Fucking MAN.
Spiegel said:
Yes, that is simply incorrect. I do not know what BURNOUT has sold but I can tell you that your number for best selling PSN game is incorrect.
David
UltimaPooh
Member
LiquidMetal14 said:
I always love this statement by PSN fans. How exactly are the PSN games better and broader? For pretty much every PSN game you can name a XBLA counter part, you can also name games that PSN doesn't have. Games like flOw don't really count towards anything though since it's non-game that is a glorrified screen saver.
PSN has ALOT of catching up to do with XBOX Live especially with the NXE coming out this week. Sony has their work cut out for them.
Agent X
Member
LiquidMetal14 said:
I understand what Pachter was getting at. I think his point is that on a paid service like Xbox Live, people would (theoretically speaking) be on their best behavior, since they're paying for the privilege and run the risk of getting banned. I suppose this might hold up in theory, although in practice I haven't encountered any great number of jerks on PSN to make this worth worrying about.
LiquidMetal14 said:
I agree, they spent way too much time talking about Home in this segment, and not enough on other compelling PSN features. I like Home, although I agree with some of their points like "it's not necessary for launching games" and that could limit Home's appeal and usefulness. I do think Home has other positive traits which will make it still worthwhile, but the panelists didn't mention them, and neither will I for now.
Near the beginning, they kind of mentioned that PSN has come a long way in two years, but didn't really talk about a lot of the features that they added in the last few firmware revisions. PSN effectively matches Xbox Live on all of the features that matter, and it's still free. That's a colossal advantage in my book, and is the reason why as far as XBL is concerned (as Russo put it) "it's time to take the tollbooth down".
Zzoram said:
This comment clearly came from someone who doesn't play Resistance 2.
UltimaPooh said:
are you joking?
PSn provides something XBL just doesn't ...fullREAL next gen games, not just acardy bullshit i'd rather play on a handheld.
on psn you can download burnout FFS ... wipeout, socom, warhwak, R&C quest for booty .. GT5p! .. big, 'current' gen games that could and have been on store shelves. where are these XBL counter parts? seriously ..go ahead and name some.
LiquidMetal14
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That would be one aspect that maks PSN unique. All the other more abstract stuff we don't see on LIVE is something that seperates both platform. I understand his point but I wonder if he has a PS3 or much experience to dismiss PSN.sun-drop said:
And as far as the new NXE coming, the Netflix and HDD installs are the main things I'm intersted in. If anything this should make Sony analyze their plan and respond with something of their own. I still stand on the argument on games though.
UltimaPooh
Member
LiquidMetal14 said:
I have owned a PS3, and I would still own one if it weren't for financial issues a year ago. I was also a big supporter of PSN games at that point in time, I bought all the hits then (Everyday Shooter, flOw, etc.) So I do have experience with both online downloadable games.
As for the games they offer, yes they offer full size games via the service (Burnout, Warhawk "which I bought", etc. but it is unfair to consider those games PSN games since they also exist on and were made for a disc based medium.) I will agree though that Siren and Quest for Booty should be allowed as PSN games since they were designed for it from the ground up. While XBLA does not have as many big games like those it does a have a few, such as Penny Arcade (coming to PS3 I know) PSN wins in that regard having games that big on the PSN but when it comes to more Arcade esque they are pretty even, they both have thier two thumbstick schmups they both have classic games they both have their puzzle games, they both have their exclusives, they both have varriety... 360 just has more which also causes it to have alot more crap but if you look at quality at those size of games they are even in a sense.
If Home is to beat the NXE it's gonna have to be quick and easy to jump into a party and then subsequently jump into a game, that's why the NXE is good it offers the same stuff as Home ina sense but it gets rid of alot of the fluff.
UltimaPooh
Member
It's not. It's a nice looking game, and I'm sure they put a good amount of work into it, but it has no goals what-so-ever and I don't feel I'm out of line to say it's a glorrified screen saver.
Maybe they'll do alot better gameplay wise with Flower.
Maybe they'll do alot better gameplay wise with Flower.
UltimaPooh
Member
TheFatOne said:That's the difference between XBLA and PSN games one offers unique experiences the other doesn't
But it's really not that unique is what I'm saying. You can find the free version of it on the internet. Maybe flower will be their big unique thing.
Where is the platforming genre on PSN? XBLA has it in aces, with classics like Banjo Kazooie and new takes like Braid, where is the uniqueness of that on PSN? It's not, which is why they are pretty even on games in that regard. Full fledged games or games tht use full fledged game assets? Yeah PSN wins, I'll give you that... but in Arcade esque ways they are even.