Bill Squabber
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Fl0w is the best selling game on PSN.
Some poster that works for SCEE said that Mercs 2 is coming to PSN.
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Bonus Round - Online Services
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UltimaPooh
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sykoex said:
Is that really unique though? Isn't it just a follow up episodic content to Ratchet and Clank Future? Because I am under the impression that it is. It is a platformer however and it does have it.
moe_81 said:
Wii Play is also one of the best selling Wii games, doesn't mean it's great.
UltimaPooh said:
Everyday Shooter is pretty artistic IMO. The colors and sounds were awesome. You may, however make the arguement the gameplay just isn't as deep and expansive as Braid and you would be correct sir.
There's different games on both. Where's the Castle Crashers equivalent on PSN? Likewise, where's the PixelJunk Monsters or that other Sci-Fi tower defense game on XBLA?
There's nothing like PixelJunk Eden, and there's nothing like Poker Smash.
They both have redeeming values I believe....
Metalmurphy
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It's Tekken 5. Or at least it was back when they showed the top 5 games in a slide in Leipzieg. I doubt it has changed since then.moe_81 said:
Erebus
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moe_81 said:
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/02/20/gdc08-the-top-10-psn-downloads-since-launch/
Not sure if things have changed since then though.
UltimaPooh
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DrPirate said:
Which is my point, they both offer different genres and both have unique games, which is why I laugh when people claiming it's MORE unique than XBLA because it's not. They are both quality services.
You can also say Geometry Wars is pretty artistic as well and it plays like Everday, just not as slow and less music based in what it sends at you.
Bill Squabber
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UltimaPooh said:
I never said it was great. I was responding to the person that said Burnout is the best selling PSN name.
Metalmurphy
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Wow, Patcher really thinks not even 1 Million people are playing online on PSN? :lol
UltimaPooh said:
garbage.
i've seen some websites dismiss these tiles in the same way ... warhawk is soley a online game, in fact both it and burnout have had som many content updates that i'd say over half the data on yr ps3 is PSN sourced anyways. they are clearly online distribution focused titles ..and the fact warhwak or socom are avail on disc at all is mostly down to the fact they are being used to pedal headsets.
wipeout is psn only, siren is online only, quest for booty is largly online only ..exsiting on disc in some PAL markets where i suspect broadband penitration is an issue ..why should that make it any less a psn title.
qualifying these is pointless ..they are avail on psn ..they are psn titles.
how many of those XBL games are avail via Pc or someother medium .. hell the arcade orginals even ..going to remove those from the point of discusion also?
fact is, due to the arcade sku MS are not keen on pushing large games that need to be stored locally on the console.
clear advantage of PSN that i don't see changing ..and reallly ..MS have shown little to suggest it's change ...focus is clearly on streaming video content .. not games of any substance past quirky arcade games. and psn doesn't lack in that area either ..except it's current gen slanted in the form of eden and flower.
as a mutli console owner I has to say (even tho the conversation on PSN was very shallow) that I agree that as I've stated in the thread PSN even taking into account that its free really doesn't come close to live in any area.
PSN is perfectly function but everything is just such a hassle in relation to live and given the same games and friends on each console Live is the obvious choice, thats just how it is.
I really hope sony can improve it and help push online gaming out to people as its really one of the best gaming experiences you can have. They are taking steps there XMB was desperately needed and they are edging forward but then so are MS and our expectations will rise again.
I would maybe overlook it if they had included headsets with the PS3 to make it standard, voice chat is a major part of the apeal of online gaming for me, communication is a big thing from a useful tool in playing together to just a massive form a fun and banter with friends.
PSN is a wasteland compared to live on this and its really bugs me everytime I play on PSN.
As for the download library's, PSN has some real quality titles but so does XBLA & Originals (and hopefully XNA) and the xbox seems to have a lot more of them too. The API's live offers like standard Friends leaderboards etc mean they are a standard and also add to the service.
I really hope PSN pushes forward but people with the option and choice Live is better but PSN is doing OK but I'm sure we would all like to see more and I'm sure Sony will keep improving to keep up.
With XNE on the, Home and the further improvements on PSN the now official Sony HQ Headset Online Services are only getting better and better.
PSN is perfectly function but everything is just such a hassle in relation to live and given the same games and friends on each console Live is the obvious choice, thats just how it is.
I really hope sony can improve it and help push online gaming out to people as its really one of the best gaming experiences you can have. They are taking steps there XMB was desperately needed and they are edging forward but then so are MS and our expectations will rise again.
I would maybe overlook it if they had included headsets with the PS3 to make it standard, voice chat is a major part of the apeal of online gaming for me, communication is a big thing from a useful tool in playing together to just a massive form a fun and banter with friends.
PSN is a wasteland compared to live on this and its really bugs me everytime I play on PSN.
As for the download library's, PSN has some real quality titles but so does XBLA & Originals (and hopefully XNA) and the xbox seems to have a lot more of them too. The API's live offers like standard Friends leaderboards etc mean they are a standard and also add to the service.
I really hope PSN pushes forward but people with the option and choice Live is better but PSN is doing OK but I'm sure we would all like to see more and I'm sure Sony will keep improving to keep up.
With XNE on the, Home and the further improvements on PSN the now official Sony HQ Headset Online Services are only getting better and better.
They didn't even say 1 thing positive about the PSN, but when they were doing Xbox live they were raving about it was the best thing ever.
They didn't even mention the other services what are coming to the service like Film, music downloads and future things to come down the line with firmware updates.
Just another reason for GameTrailers to trash Sony.
Get rid of Pachter and bring back that black guy with the glasses!
They didn't even mention the other services what are coming to the service like Film, music downloads and future things to come down the line with firmware updates.
Just another reason for GameTrailers to trash Sony.
Get rid of Pachter and bring back that black guy with the glasses!
sykoex said:
I do the same but its such a vicious circle.
On PSN I dont bother wearing my mic most of the time because nobody has one (I always wear on live) and other people probably do the same or just don't pick one up for that reason too.
The only times I have had great mic sessions have been arranged GAF games and thats been great but its the exception.
UltimaPooh
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sun-drop said:
:lol
Burnout had a release on disc before it was a download, Warhawk another game designed and released on the disc, same for Socom. Whether or not they are online centric games has nothing to do with it, they have ways of playing them without having the download them so they don't count plain and simple.
I suppose it would have to depend on the broadband pentration of the country, with Burnout, Warhawk, and Socom have a disc based medium in all territories so they are all disc based games with a way to download them, the same is said about Valve games like L4D and Half-Life they are disc based games with an option do d/l them off of steam.
Not really, I didn't list Portal: Still Alive as an alternative against PSN because it is a pretty much a dis based game with add-ons.
There are games on the PSN available on the PC as well. So...
fact is, due to the arcade sku MS are not keen on pushing large games that need to be stored locally on the console.
Negaiido said:
Private Hoffman said:
Remember hopping into Hot Shots Golf and chatting it up with friends? Neither do I. How about sending your buddy in another game a voice message to come play [x] game instead, how's that working? Oh right, it isn't.
Lacking features and lacking consistency of the supported features - that's what makes PSN 'horrendous' by comparision.
davidjaffe said:
It's the best selling full retail game on PSN, which is what was actually said, a phrasing that eliminates games like Wipeout HD.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
True to a certain extent. But let's be honest, most of the time we want to play with Gaffers anyways. I know I do. Or we have an established set of friends who hop on the same games. I know I've got like 90% Gaffers and the rest are people who I met through games which are great people. My range of friends are from about 19 to about 45. And again, these are the people I play with. Or a GAF clan like in R2. I never really do matchmaking unless I'm in a party with friends.sykoex said:
gbovo said:
:lol
How is that a response to any part of my post?
Wipeout HD is probably my second fave PS3 game, played some great games with GAFers. (I discussed some of the online elements of that game in
But that is one game XBLA has a shit load a really great games you should check it out sometime.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
That makes more sense. But the point stands that it's not the best selling game on PSN.Chrange said:
And regarding the voice messages, those are great but not something that makes XBL infinitely more better. What I realy like about live is that I can start a chat and play a game without being interrupted. That is one feature I would love PSN to replicate.
UltimaPooh
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gbovo said:
I'm sure people can make a game like that for XBLA if there were no size restrictions. Microsoft just simply has a different model.
Sony does win in the big game arena, and that's simply because XBLA doesn't really allow for that outside of exceptions.
Siren Blood Curse/Ratchet: Quest for Booty. Due to the fact that those games, alongside Wipeout HD, have significantly higher production values and overall quality, they're less in number compared to your average arcade rehash/rom dump that comes out every week on XBLA. And yes I've checked out XBLA's lineup, but usually don't buy anything on there cause of MS Point system (I did buy Doom though for coop). But for the most part, most of the arcade drivel on the service don't hold up very well today and the games I'm interested in are the fewer, and much newer titles like Castle Crashers and BC:Rearmed (which I got on PSN).Gowans007 said:
WARNING: Long post ahead. You have been warned.
PSN has its great games and XBLA has its great games. PSN also happens to offer some retail games as downloads. These are facts.
But the panel overall was discussing the online service as a whole. The problem with this panel is that all they mostly talked about was Home. They didn't bother to mention that, although PSN had a rough start, it managed to improve things significantly well, adding support for custom soundtracks, trophies, and the PS3 actually having in-game XMB, which was mostly used for checking your friends list. When people were demanding for it, no one ever considered that they would add a feature that allowed for launching into another program/feature/etc. right from the in-game XMB. Xbox 360 doesn't even have anything like this until it was introduced in the NXE update.
The way I see it, the PSN is alot like PC gaming (let's not bring Steam or other digital distribution program like Steam into this, as it's different). For example, if I'm playing Battlefield 2 and my friend is playing WoW, I can't send him an invite from within BF2 to join me in BF2. I would have to instant message him, email him, whatever to let him know I want him to join me in BF2. PSN is the same way. I can't send a game invite from Warhawk to my buddy playing Resistance 2, I would have to message him also. On Live, I can do this, since all the games are tied to one service, Live, so things like cross game invites, chat, etc. are able to work since Microsoft built Live to be like this.
The problem with alot of people, including the panel in this Bonus Round, is that they expect all services from now on, including PSN, to be as unified as Xbox Live. But that was never how PSN or Wii's online structure or whatever was built from the start. So it's like "Well, if it's not at least as unified or functional as Live, then it's nowhere near as good, so Live is superior and is the only one worth giving a damn."
Summary: The fact of the matter is, PSN is almost as functional as Live, but is not unified like Live and is missing some of the features that makes Live good and convenient. However, that doesn't totally mean that PSN sucks. It doens't have all the unified features like Live, but it has most of the essentials to online gaming, just like a PC. Online PC gaming is just like this, there's no real unified service unless you're talking about something like Steam. But not all games support Steam. The ones that don't have their own infrastructure built into it, just like Resistance 2 has it's own online infrastructure or features built in. PSN is a very functional service, as long as the devs are willing to put the effort into their games. The support for things like voice chat, trophies, etc is there, it's just that Sony doesn't force them the way Microsoft forces devs to put x feature in their game.
PSN has its great games and XBLA has its great games. PSN also happens to offer some retail games as downloads. These are facts.
But the panel overall was discussing the online service as a whole. The problem with this panel is that all they mostly talked about was Home. They didn't bother to mention that, although PSN had a rough start, it managed to improve things significantly well, adding support for custom soundtracks, trophies, and the PS3 actually having in-game XMB, which was mostly used for checking your friends list. When people were demanding for it, no one ever considered that they would add a feature that allowed for launching into another program/feature/etc. right from the in-game XMB. Xbox 360 doesn't even have anything like this until it was introduced in the NXE update.
The way I see it, the PSN is alot like PC gaming (let's not bring Steam or other digital distribution program like Steam into this, as it's different). For example, if I'm playing Battlefield 2 and my friend is playing WoW, I can't send him an invite from within BF2 to join me in BF2. I would have to instant message him, email him, whatever to let him know I want him to join me in BF2. PSN is the same way. I can't send a game invite from Warhawk to my buddy playing Resistance 2, I would have to message him also. On Live, I can do this, since all the games are tied to one service, Live, so things like cross game invites, chat, etc. are able to work since Microsoft built Live to be like this.
The problem with alot of people, including the panel in this Bonus Round, is that they expect all services from now on, including PSN, to be as unified as Xbox Live. But that was never how PSN or Wii's online structure or whatever was built from the start. So it's like "Well, if it's not at least as unified or functional as Live, then it's nowhere near as good, so Live is superior and is the only one worth giving a damn."
Summary: The fact of the matter is, PSN is almost as functional as Live, but is not unified like Live and is missing some of the features that makes Live good and convenient. However, that doesn't totally mean that PSN sucks. It doens't have all the unified features like Live, but it has most of the essentials to online gaming, just like a PC. Online PC gaming is just like this, there's no real unified service unless you're talking about something like Steam. But not all games support Steam. The ones that don't have their own infrastructure built into it, just like Resistance 2 has it's own online infrastructure or features built in. PSN is a very functional service, as long as the devs are willing to put the effort into their games. The support for things like voice chat, trophies, etc is there, it's just that Sony doesn't force them the way Microsoft forces devs to put x feature in their game.
Jeff mentioned it several times. But the only thing the guests said was: PSN sucks cause it's free, I don't want to use HOME, no one uses PSN etc.Strider2K99 said:
They don't discuss what PSN can do, how it was improved since launch, but only what it can't do and what it isn't.
Metalmurphy
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It's also free, and doesn't suck as much for the "free" to be a dismissable factor...Chrange said:
Chrange said:
Except the panel never really discussed the features, 99% of the panel discussion was about Home.
gogogow said:
Well, yeah, Geoff did mention it. I forget, when I said panel, I really meant Pachter, Russo, and Swanner.
Geoff is a smart guy and always knows what he's talking about, from the times that I've seen him. He's the only guy who mentioned the PSN improvements, but everyone else just kind of glossed over it.
Strider2K99 said:
*shrug* Forget the panel then - you said all that and you still don't think it sucks by comparison, when stacked up next to Xbox Live? You disagree with everything they said because it doesn't match what you want them to say, even though you just agreed with what they said?
It doesn't compare well to Xbox Live, feature for feature. People can get mad about it if they want, but it's true. Sony needs to keep improving PSN, especially with the NXE update moving Xbox Live even further out in front on the feature set.
Yeah, lol @ that penthouse editor, saying: I want that hardcore experience where you meet up with your friends and jump into a game.sykoex said:
Hello!!! You don't need to use HOME for that, you can also jump into a game within the XMB!
It was more about Xbox Live vs. HOME than Xbox Live vs. PSN.
Chrange said:
Ok, I think I see what you're getting at.
Basically, I think the panel should have gone along the lines of "It's true PSN has improved in ways that almost puts it up to Xbox Live. But it's not quite there yet. Sony should add this, this and this to make it equal to or better than Live." Basically, constructive criticism on the PSN online service.
But they don't talk about the other PSN stuff. Most of the discussion was about Home. It's fine to talk about Home, but they didn't bother to talk about the PSN service outside of Home. That's my problem. See what I mean?
gogogow said:
Yeah, this is exactly what I'm talking about! Sorry if I mentioned it too roundabout Chrange. :lol
UltimaPooh
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DMeisterJ said:
:lol
Oh man totally. Except you forget XBLA has the same ammount of quality titles as PSN.
Strider2K99 said:
But they did. They didn't detail changes Sony has made, but they were part of the consideration. It's not like they compared Xbox Live *now* versus PSN *a year ago* or anything.
Both sides have improved their online service, but Sony started out well back of where they should have. They had a year to study what worked with Xbox Live and copy it, and they fell far short of that. Adding in things that should arguably have been there at launch shouldn't win them points for trying.
The bottom line is that, in a feature-for-feature comparison, PSN is still lagging behind Xbox Live in a number of key areas. That needs to change before they'll 'win' these kind of comparisons.
Chrange said:
We're not talking about having garbage, we're talking about what amount to garbage, or what I like to call the "shit-to-it" ratio. Where "shit" is garbage, and "it" is not. Having less games inherently leads you to a better shit-to-it ratio, as PSN is not cluttered with slipshod Arcade ports and such.