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Borderlands |OT| More guns than the population of the Netherlands
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Alex Connolly
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elrechazao said:
We need an Evilore inspection of this video.
Vercingetorix
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Mar_ said:
Thanks, sounds pretty good. I'm listening to the most recent podcast now and these guys approach it from a wide variety of opinions, these are the kind of impressions that I like to consider before buying a game.
Teknopathetic
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That Scar mini-boss fight in the quick look was really awful. Ran around in circles not attacking anyone until it dropped loot. Very exciting. I was thinking that might be a one off, but that mini-boss youtube link a page back or so fighting "Bone Head" was just as silly. I was hoping the later level stuff they showed at the end would be a bit more fast paced but it looked just like playing the early level stuff but with bigger damage numbers.
Yeah, Jeff seems really excited when playing this game.poweld said:
He has the enthusiasm a Diablo 2 guy has when they find an uber weapon.
This must mean the combat is pretty satisfying and the world feels worthwhile to explore.
Only thing im really concerned with is level variety. If the game is all desert and caves im gonna be really bummed out. I hope there is like jungle and ice or something.
Alex Connolly
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I've faith in Randy and the crew that they've packed away some varied content. I like the fact they've promised we've only seen a few things thus far. Remember when the military troopers were unveiled? Everyone was pretty excited by that - more to shoot than skags and Mad Max goons.
Is a lot of negative feedback due to a paradigm shift in putting the RPG and Shooter genres together or a lackluster coalescing of the two? Only time will tell, but I think it's hard to make a call without playing it...and more to the point, questing with friends. I think that's where the magic will happen.
Is a lot of negative feedback due to a paradigm shift in putting the RPG and Shooter genres together or a lackluster coalescing of the two? Only time will tell, but I think it's hard to make a call without playing it...and more to the point, questing with friends. I think that's where the magic will happen.
SuperAwesome
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~Kinggi~ said:
I'm 90% sure that the end part is like a snowy mountain area
Jeff sounds like he's really loving it just by the tone of his voice and all the laughter in the room. Definitely looking good from that quick look, I think. The boss did seem a little simplistic, but for now I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt and attribute that to three of the four players being overleveled for it and killing it off quickly. The endgame abilities were looking really, really cool there.
Vercingetorix
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Hmm, Idle Thumbs impressions sound like those I might have of a game like this. A final boss that doesn't move much? Brain dead AI standing around like practice targets, and guns that aren't much more than palette swaps of each other?
Hm. I'll wait for many reviews before renting this one.
Hm. I'll wait for many reviews before renting this one.
I really really respect the opinions of all the guys on Idle Thumbs, but there are always instances where my tastes are just outside the norm or completely contrary to the critical reception.akmcbroom said:
As long as the game is fun and has the same tone as the promo vids I'll be pretty happy.
Vercingetorix said:
The boss fight was definitely anticlimactic, but gun variety seemed really good in the Giant Bomb quick look. AI I'll admit doesn't look stellar, but when has AI ever been a focus in a lootwhore game like this? It'd be nice if it had AAA FPS quality AI, but I don't think it's really a necessity for a game like this.
Having watched the quick look, I have to say I kind of understand some of the thoughts the Idle Thumbs guys had. That fight with Scar looked horrible :lol , it kinda just ran around in circles not knowing what it wanted to do.
Given the type of game that it is, it definetly seems like the focus of the game was purely on Collect as many weapons as you want then go out and kill shit and not necessarily on the enemies being challenging, the level 38 gunplay just had those worms running up to Jeff and lining up for headshots. I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt considering we didn't have any gameplay of the higher level human opponents which tend to be smarter then the random wildlife.
Still going to buy it blindly, 33.75 is too good a deal to pass on
Given the type of game that it is, it definetly seems like the focus of the game was purely on Collect as many weapons as you want then go out and kill shit and not necessarily on the enemies being challenging, the level 38 gunplay just had those worms running up to Jeff and lining up for headshots. I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt considering we didn't have any gameplay of the higher level human opponents which tend to be smarter then the random wildlife.
Still going to buy it blindly, 33.75 is too good a deal to pass on
Teknopathetic
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"AI I'll admit doesn't look stellar, but when has AI ever been a focus in a lootwhore game like this? It'd be nice if it had AAA FPS quality AI, but I don't think it's really a necessity for a game like this."
Usually dull AI is countered by large amounts of them making the experience a lot more thrilling.
Usually dull AI is countered by large amounts of them making the experience a lot more thrilling.
Holy shit.
The guy on the justin.tv is getting his ass raped by the end-level boss :lol :lol
The A.I is decent. The guy playing kind of knows what he's doing - its not like he's "bad" - but he's getting his ass kicked a lot. Rushing out and charging is a sure-note way to get fucked up. You really have to stay back and iron-sight for head shots it seems.
The guy on the justin.tv is getting his ass raped by the end-level boss :lol :lol
The A.I is decent. The guy playing kind of knows what he's doing - its not like he's "bad" - but he's getting his ass kicked a lot. Rushing out and charging is a sure-note way to get fucked up. You really have to stay back and iron-sight for head shots it seems.
elrechazado
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poweld said:Damn, I wanna be excited too, but I wouldn't cast off one man's opinions as "awful" because they don't align with your hopes
well, it's one guy talking about the game for a few minutes vs watching another guy play the game for 30. I know what I like, and who I'm believing at this point.
QL was awesome...new enemies I hadn't seen, particle weapons, unlimited ammo guns ! oh my.
Keyser Soze
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This has split-screen co-op right?
Excuse me for not looking elsewhere, but I don't want to know much more about the game till I buy.
Excuse me for not looking elsewhere, but I don't want to know much more about the game till I buy.
MrTroubleMaker
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nice! I can't wait
Keyser Soze
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bathala said:
Awesome thanks
I've grown to love vertical screen, so I can live with that.
Peronthious
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What terrible loading screens. Couldn't they have slowed them down a quarter second more?
You guys have played World of Warcraft and many other MMOs, right? It's pretty obvious Borderlands was inspired by games like this. What you see in the videos are not "boss fights" like you would think based on normal video game conventions. It's more or less just "Kill this named enemy". Many quests in WoW are like this. Gearbox mentioned their equivalent to WoW's "Elites" are labeled "Badass" enemies, which Scar is clearly not.
Teknopathetic
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"Yeah, this. Not to mention the fact that two of the players were nearly double... double Scar's level."
This would be an interesting point to raise if Scar attempted to do anything and just died too fast. Which it didn't. It was alive for a decent amount of time and just didn't actually do shit but run in circles.
This would be an interesting point to raise if Scar attempted to do anything and just died too fast. Which it didn't. It was alive for a decent amount of time and just didn't actually do shit but run in circles.
SuperAwesome
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Teknopathetic said:
definitely going to agree with this, and it's probably due to the AI issues. It seemed like it couldn't decide on who to attack or go after due to everyone firing at it, so it just ran around until it died
TheFallen said:
I don't think the problem that most people are having with the game is that the bosses don't have regular Boss conventions similar to the major fights in other games, it's just that in general the enemies seem very meh. Yes I guess you could justify that the people in the QL were double the enemies level, but seriously it just stood there :lol
Now, I don't know how they handle this stuff, but it looked almost like the AI couldn't get a long period of time where it was aggro'd on a specific person. I would assume they have some sort of aggro meter that determines who or what (in case of turrets as well) an enemy attacks based on the amount of damage that is done to the mob (just like in WoW).
If this is the case, I can see why Scar might have had trouble sticking to one target and laying into them as it was entirely possible everyone was doing around the same amount of damage. They might have to tweak AI behavior in a patch or something if this is the case in order to have mobs 'stick' to their current targets for a specified amount of time. Of course that's always ripe for exploiting too if you can then easily kite mobs around.
MMO vets here will know exactly what I'm talking about and why its not something thats likely trivial to fix for a game like this.
If this is the case, I can see why Scar might have had trouble sticking to one target and laying into them as it was entirely possible everyone was doing around the same amount of damage. They might have to tweak AI behavior in a patch or something if this is the case in order to have mobs 'stick' to their current targets for a specified amount of time. Of course that's always ripe for exploiting too if you can then easily kite mobs around.
MMO vets here will know exactly what I'm talking about and why its not something thats likely trivial to fix for a game like this.
Teknopathetic said:
Yeah, I don't really see that changing, atleast based off of what they said. Enemies apparently scale in number, not actually toughen up, so 4 players will probably destroy most/all bosses unless there's a bunch of enemies along with them.
TheLegendary
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bathala said:
He actually died because the video cut out for him even though it showed up on the recording feed
. Power problems.I just realized that because all the player information is loaded client side, what's stopping people from duping $$$ and items, not saving the game, and restarting with the same equipment :O
Rings of the Zodiac anyone???
They were saying in the Giantbomb interview, that when the power went out, one of the players didn't get to save so lost his level...
Rings of the Zodiac anyone???
They were saying in the Giantbomb interview, that when the power went out, one of the players didn't get to save so lost his level...
TheFallen said:
Thats what I'm getting from it as well. Between that interview and the videos, it sounds like this is more of a MMO than a traditional RPG, except only its 4p co-op and its FPS. I imagine boss encounters will be similar to that seen in popular MMOs like WoW only with the more chaotic random gameplay seen in Diablo.
Pretty much the only thing that's got me apprehensive is the shitty boss fights. Everything else is golden, but I was hoping for more epic battles to punctuate the lootwhoring. Anyway, like I said before, it ain't a dealbreaker. It's not the reason I'm buying the game, but it would've been nice.
I may end up double dipping for this if I can talk my friends into getting the 360 version.
I may end up double dipping for this if I can talk my friends into getting the 360 version.