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Box Office 07•29-31•16 - Bad to the Bourne, Trek continues to give 'er all she's got

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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Alrus said:
Damn Paramount really does have nothing but Transformers left heh? And that franchise is pretty much dead in the US too and I'm not sure it's going to do as well as it did before overseas either (similar to Ice Age).
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They get distribution rights to all existing and a percentage of all future Indy films, so that's something, I guess. Sony also has nothing outside of Spiderman films.
 
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Mimosa97 said:
Skyfall is a way waaaaaaaaay better movie than ST Beyond.

I get what you're saying though.
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No way.

Sky fall is as jumbled a mess as they come.

Beyond was a nicely self-contained story that put the characters front and centre. The villain was a bit undercooked but the sincere character focus was refreshing to see in what's been a fairly mundane summer for blockbusters.

Beyond was damn near better then all the summer films this year, for all that's worth.
 
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PairOfFilthySocks said:
No way.

Sky fall is as jumbled a mess as they come.

Beyond was a nicely self-contained story that put the characters front and centre. The villain was a bit undercooked but the sincere character focus was refreshing to see in what's been a fairly mundane summer for blockbusters.

Beyond was damn near all the summer films this year, for all that's worth.
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Yup. Skyfall was shit on cheesy biscuits.
 
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kswiston said:
Paramount is losing franchises faster than they can make them. I don't know what they plan on doing if/when the Transformers well dries up.

I don't think that old man Cruise has that many more Ethan Hunt performances left in him.
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Hasn't Viacom been looking to sell off Paramount? And even some of Hasbro's IP's?
 
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Magwik

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Man this summer is bizarre. Is it the heat or are people just tired or all of these sequels? Or are superhero movies the real money makers still?
 
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DeathyBoy

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PairOfFilthySocks said:
No way.

Sky fall is as jumbled a mess as they come.

Beyond was a nicely self-contained story that put the characters front and centre. The villain was a bit undercooked but the sincere character focus was refreshing to see in what's been a fairly mundane summer for blockbusters.

Beyond was damn near better then all the summer films this year, for all that's worth.
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Sorry, but no.

Bad editing, sidelining Uhura and Sulu was fucked up, Kirk and Spock's major character moments are conveniently resolved, and there's way too much "let's sit around and talk in static shots" moments.

Maybe people like Star Trek when characters talk in still medium shots, but I'd prefer something actually be happening on screen. Like that scene with Kirk and Bones should be the lynchpin of the film, and it goes nowhere.
 
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obijkenobi said:
There is no way they can make a Ghostbusters 2 with the same cast and director right? :/
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The merchandise supposedly sold well so I could see the cast remaining intact but I don't see how Feig and that budget don't get cut.

I kind of wonder how the movie would have done if it wasn't coming out during the midst of this particular presidential election.
 
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SJRB said:
BFG is a catastrophe, holy shit.
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Yep. Disney doesn't usually release Blu-ray 3D in the States (having to import Jungle Book is a true WTF? after Zootopia came out in 3D), but I'm not sure ANY region will be getting this in 3D, which sucks.
 
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Corey31

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berzeli said:
I mean for all the shit Sony gets (and deservedly most of the time), Paramount is way worse off.
They haven't launched a successful franchise since How To Train Your Dragon in 2010.
Most of their ongoing franchises are offering diminishing returns.
And to top it off they are owned by Viacom which is currently embroiled in the funniest corporate civil war in a long time.
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They don't even have How To Train Your Dragon, that was a Dreamworks Animation film. The second one was distributed by FOX as Dreamworks Animation shifted all their distribution to them in 2013. Dreamworks Animation is now owned by Universal so I imagine once their FOX deal is done all future work will be under the Universal umbrella.
 
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StaticJam said:
Man this summer is bizarre. Is it the heat or are people just tired or all of these sequels? Or are superhero movies the real money makers still?
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People want good movies. There have been terrible films this year and people aren't going to see them. Which is kind of new, normally marketing can guarantee butts in seats even when bad.

On top of that, its sequels to stuff people don't want like Ghostbusters and ID4 and stuff that never should have been made like the BFG. The actual good movies have done great, Civil war, jungle book, dory, deadpool, shallows etc...
 
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Ghostbusters continues to prove Chris Hemsworth is box office poison outside of the MCU.

obijkenobi said:
There is no way they can make a Ghostbusters 2 with the same cast and director right? :/
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unless Melissa McCarthy's next string of movies tank, or she doesn't sign on for the sequel... there will likely be a sequel. LOL
 
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StaticJam said:
Man this summer is bizarre. Is it the heat or are people just tired or all of these sequels? Or are superhero movies the real money makers still?
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The good blockbusters all got released in May. The quality just haven't been very good across the board. If people were just tired of sequels, Finding Dory would not deserve to do as well as it did.

Star Trek Beyond is probably the best put together of the summer live action slate so far and it's merely solidly entertaining and nothing more. It had to pay for the disappointment of last ST movie. Jason Bourne not being good is the biggesta surprise. I would dearly love to see a great blockbuster this summer, others probably feels the same, anything good would would have wiped the floor with the weak competition, but I don't see anything I'm looking forward to in the rest of the summer.
 
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milanbaros

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JB has a sensible production budget. It is only $10m more than BU, which was 9 years ago, and it was less than the Renner film.

Good budget control is so key in a franchise, where the costs seem to spiral.
 
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Hades Hotgun

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DeathyBoy said:
Sorry, but no.

Bad editing, sidelining Uhura and Sulu was fucked up, Kirk and Spock's major character moments are conveniently resolved, and there's way too much "let's sit around and talk in static shots" moments.

Maybe people like Star Trek when characters talk in still medium shots, but I'd prefer something actually be happening on screen. Like that scene with Kirk and Bones should be the lynchpin of the film, and it goes nowhere.
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So do you just not like Star Trek in general? Cuz those two were never important in the slightest at any point in the franchise and the filmmakers have no obligation to make them important. Also the way they were shoehorned in to the previous 2 films (especially Uhura) was a common complaint.

People talking in still shots is basically the physical description you could give to almost every one of the greatest and most beloved moments in the history of the IP.
 
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alfredofroylan

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Speaking of Ghostbusters's legs.
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kswiston

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I am not a fan of lumping guestimated marketing costs into a film's budget when comparing the budget to the box office take, but Ghostbusters is not going to make money in theatres.

Using the 55% domestic/40% overseas/25% China (lol) rule of thumb, Ghostbusters has made its studio around $80M so far. It's production budget was quoted at $144M.

Best case scenario has Ghostbusters coming $25M short of its production budget during its theatrical run (after theatre venue cuts). A shortfall of $35-40M is probably more likely.
 
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kswiston said:
I am not a fan of lumping guestimated marketing costs into a film's budget when comparing the budget to the box office take, but Ghostbusters is not going to make money in theatres.

Using the 55% domestic/40% overseas/25% China (lol) rule of thumb, Ghostbusters has made its studio around $80M so far. It's production budget was quoted at $144M.

Best case scenario has Ghostbusters coming $25M short of its production budget during its theatrical run (after theatre venue cuts). A shortfall of $35-40M is probably more likely.
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and then you remember marketing budget
 
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spookyfish said:
Yep. Disney doesn't usually release Blu-ray 3D in the States (having to import Jungle Book is a true WTF? after Zootopia came out in 3D), but I'm not sure ANY region will be getting this in 3D, which sucks.
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Might get a 3d blu release in the uk possibly, it hit number 1 ahead of star trek here last weekend
 
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kswiston

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bort said:
and then you remember marketing budget
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I don't like throwing in the marketing budget, because while focusing on promoting the release of the film, the marketing budget really drives the entire life-cycle of the product ( including money gathered from merchandising, product-tie ins, future home video and streaming revenue, etc).

Movies will get a shitload spent on them as they are first released into theatres, then maybe 5-10% as much spent reminding people about the home video release, and then that's it. However, public awareness set up by the marketing of the theatrical release carries forward through the various stages of release (Theatrical, home video, streaming/tv).

If you aren't going to include revenue from home video, television/streaming licensing, product placement, etc, including the marketing budget when comparing a film's costs to its box office performance just makes things look worse than they are.
 
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Hades Hotgun said:
So do you just not like Star Trek in general? Cuz those two were never important in the slightest at any point in the franchise and the filmmakers have no obligation to make them important. Also the way they were shoehorned in to the previous 2 films (especially Uhura) was a common complaint.

People talking in still shots is basically the physical description you could give to almost every one of the greatest and most beloved moments in the history of the IP.
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Do I like Star Trek? I like good films. This wasn't a good film, ergo I disliked it. Star Trek means nothing to me as a concept, good or bad. The execution is what matters
 
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Savitar

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Star Trek Beyond failed because the previous two films were not good, each had reasons why people went to see them but it did not mean they were good movies. Look at Transformers, those make absurd money and are shit. Most people know that but they still go to be entertained. But rare are the films that can so blatantly get away with it repeatedly. I'm sure the studio would make ST in a second if it could make that bank. It's clear with the third they saw Guardians of the Galaxy and said "we want that" look how good it did.

Star Trek is an odd beast in so many ways but it doesn't mean it can't be good and appeal to a bigger crowd, they simply have been aiming low.
 
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alfredofroylan

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Probably not worth a new thread, but Sony Pictures posted a $100M quarterly loss and cuts their forecast.
Sony Pictures posted a loss of $103 million for the April to June quarter, despite sales rising 20 percent on a dollar basis and 7 percent once converted into yen.

The recent strengthening of the yen has reduced the value of dollar earnings when they are repatriated to Japan.

The Angry Birds Movie and higher television advertising revenue in India and South America helped boost income, along with increased television licensing fees. The loss for the quarter was around 10 percent lower than for the corresponding period in 2015.

Sony cut the full-year sales forecast for the pictures division by 9 percent to ￥920 billion ($8.86 billion at current exchange rates), reducing its operating profit prediction from ￥43 billion to ￥38 billion ($365 million).
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-pictures-posts-100m-quarterly-915608
 
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