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Knockouts are enjoyable to behold, but these are human beings, and it's a positive that referees prevent damaged fighters from killing themselves.
perineumlick
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There's shit in those shorts after that last body shot, I guarantee. That shot changed Lem's whole outlook on life; damn!
I know Lem is no Andre Ward, but that shit still looked scary. He's becoming a bonafide monster.
I know Lem is no Andre Ward, but that shit still looked scary. He's becoming a bonafide monster.
SyenceLabb
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"Thank you my fans - I like fight"
Ninja Scooter
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The refs job is to protect the fighters, not let them take unnecessary damage for your amusement.
Ward is a better boxer, a phenomenal technician.
I also wouldn't count out Saul though.
perineumlick
Member
That body shot was clean as fuck, and fight ending. You didn't see that?
He's a world champion, throwing plenty back, still had a solid guard up.
He had the same punchers chance as he did at the start of the fight.
Ether_Snake
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Cotto would give a better fight than Lemieux for sure. Canelo would probably end up like Lemieux.
Syphon Filter
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You forgot the future Crawford next week.
I dont, GGG is a much better boxer than he's given credit for and his footwork is second to none. I can't see Canelo out boxing him.
Ward is one of the best technical boxers in the world, and he's been fighting bigger men than GGG for most of his career.
perineumlick
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Lol yeah apparently. Lem even looked toward the ref after that shot; I think that forced the ref's hand even more. That was the look of a beaten fighter; let him live to make a living another day.
BadAss2961
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Cotto would get wrecked so bad. He's too small. Canelo stands a much better chance, but I still see GGG being too much for him.
And Ward has size. These middleweights can't fuck with GGG.
SyenceLabb
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Ward would have a really good shot, but GGG will be tough for anyone if he keeps working that beautiful jab.
xDUMPWEEDx
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Unfortunately the best opponents GGG is gonna get at middleweight are guys fighting south of 160.
To be honest though, I'm not sure how serious GGG really is about ever fighting at super-middleweight. He's well into his 30's and doesn't walk around any heavier than 170 from what I understand. He might do it for a big name and move back down but not for the kind of gargantuan task that dealing with Ward, who isn't a huge draw, would be. With Andre moving up to 175, that fight looks even less likely.
To be honest though, I'm not sure how serious GGG really is about ever fighting at super-middleweight. He's well into his 30's and doesn't walk around any heavier than 170 from what I understand. He might do it for a big name and move back down but not for the kind of gargantuan task that dealing with Ward, who isn't a huge draw, would be. With Andre moving up to 175, that fight looks even less likely.
Andre Ward to return on Cotto Vs. Canelo Card
http://fighthype.com/news/article22192.html
Article also mentions that a showdown between Ward and Kovalev is looming.
This is going to be a great stacked card on November 21
http://fighthype.com/news/article22192.html
Article also mentions that a showdown between Ward and Kovalev is looming.
This is going to be a great stacked card on November 21
CopperPuppy
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Except for the fact that the likely opponent is Rohan Murdock. Pretty impressive that he managed to find someone worse than Paul Smith for his second bout back.
Syphon Filter
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Who saw the fight lamont vs diaz? To me it was robbery, diaz beat him.
I thought Diaz won and I was pulling hard for Lamont.
CopperPuppy
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While I saw this coming, it definitely doesn't make me any less sick of blatant ducking nonsense... Canelo balks at a fight with GGG unless it's at 155. Yes, yes, I know this is premature, but it's still one of the best fights in boxing and one that fans deserve to see.
As much as I've enjoyed Canelo's rise, he's done it by fighting in his own make-believe division. People will dismiss this by saying Canelo is too small to fight Gennady, which is actually completely false - GGG is the physically smaller fighter between the two. The guy is an inch shorter than GGG, has a longer reach than GGG, and comes in on fight night weighing, on average, five to seven pounds more than GGG does on his fight nights. He walks around at a higher weight, and trains at a higher weight as well. I mean, come on, he clocked in at 167.8 at his 30-day weigh-in for the Cotto fight, while GGG came in at 165 for the Lemieux fight's 30-day weigh-in. These guys are textbook, size-perfect middleweights.
He's fighting a 160lb mandatory, so he should have to fight at that weight. It still boggles me that he fights 1lb above light middleweight for middleweight belts. Canelo has built his whole career on fighting smaller guys by pretending he's among them with his clever catchweight, or by draining bigger guys to obtain size advantage. Floyd rightfully sonned him for doing the former. This practice is bad for the sport of boxing and needs to stop. Let's give fans the fight they deserve.
As much as I've enjoyed Canelo's rise, he's done it by fighting in his own make-believe division. People will dismiss this by saying Canelo is too small to fight Gennady, which is actually completely false - GGG is the physically smaller fighter between the two. The guy is an inch shorter than GGG, has a longer reach than GGG, and comes in on fight night weighing, on average, five to seven pounds more than GGG does on his fight nights. He walks around at a higher weight, and trains at a higher weight as well. I mean, come on, he clocked in at 167.8 at his 30-day weigh-in for the Cotto fight, while GGG came in at 165 for the Lemieux fight's 30-day weigh-in. These guys are textbook, size-perfect middleweights.
He's fighting a 160lb mandatory, so he should have to fight at that weight. It still boggles me that he fights 1lb above light middleweight for middleweight belts. Canelo has built his whole career on fighting smaller guys by pretending he's among them with his clever catchweight, or by draining bigger guys to obtain size advantage. Floyd rightfully sonned him for doing the former. This practice is bad for the sport of boxing and needs to stop. Let's give fans the fight they deserve.
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If the winner of Cotto/Canelo Ducks GGG, they should hand in their balls. No excuse for it at all.
GGG will fight Lee/Saunders winner instead, get the belt. Maybe GGG will have the leverage since he'll have all the other belts and Nevada commission will side with him, if GGG says no to catch weight forcing Canelo/Cotto to fight GGG in a mandatory fight with no bs catch weight nonsense. Only in a perfect world sadly. Either way Canelo would look like a punk if he really tries to pull that, who else will he be able to fight note worthy after GGG has disseminate the middleweight class? Peter Quillin?
Could just do an Amir Khan and fight ex May/Pac opponents to prove a point.
CopperPuppy
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There are only a few big fights left for Gennady at 160, and "big" is stretching the term.
The really big one is, of course, the winner of Cotto/Canelo. Sadly, both of them have indicated that they either have little intention of fighting GGG, or would only do so at a catchweight. I would honestly be shocked if Cotto took the fight under any conditions, and would also be surprised if a fight can be made with Canelo next year given the underwhelming PPV numbers for GGG/Lemieux. These guys don't really give a shit about belts, especially Cotto.
Aside from that, the winners of Lee/Saunders and Quillin/Jacobs will be next in line. I fully expect Lee to emerge victorious and be willing to fight GGG, so not much to worry about there. Quillin has openly ducked Golovkin in the past, though, so he's a big question mark. It's also hard to say with Jacobs if he wins.
Other than those three fights, I also would not be surprised at all if we saw him fight one of Tureano Johnson or Chris Eubank, Jr. this year.
Syphon Filter
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crawford fight tonight.
Avon Barksdale
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Pacquiao to retire after his fight on April 9th, per Bob Arum.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13964233/manny-pacquiao-retire-april-fight-bob-arum-says
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13964233/manny-pacquiao-retire-april-fight-bob-arum-says
illmatic22
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Good chance Bud Crawford gets the Pacquiao fight if he takes care of business tonight.
Syphon Filter
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wow and jean had that round too.
Syphon Filter
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da future crawford wins. on to the next one.
illmatic22
Banned
I actually like his chances against Pacquiao, make it happen Bob.
I would favor Crawford as well, but it wouldn't surprise me if Manny is still a bit too much for him. The only reason I would give Crawford the edge is because Manny doesn't really have much to fight for anymore being that it's his last fight an all.
Wax Free Vanilla
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This fight has been rejected by the Neveda State Athletic Commision according to Aussie media:
Rejected because of it being a mismatch.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/29856676/rohan-murdock-unable-to-take-on-andre-ward/
CopperPuppy
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Read that bit about NSAC refusing to sanction the Ward-Murdock fight the other day. Thank goodness - Murdock isn't even a journeyman. And The Ring has Ward at #2 P4P? Unreal. His run in 2010-2012 was great, but he hasn't done shit for years now. Is Pacquiao ranked for his fights in 2010-2012? No, he's dropped accordingly because of his most recent output. The same should hold true for everyone else.
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Wards an embarrassment with how he's mismanaged his career. 2 fights in 3 years against complete scrubs, now this debacle.
The thing is, I would be fine with the bum of the month club for a few fights considering the layoff and the possible move up in weight, but he's still only fighting twice a year! Needing some tune ups on his schedule means maybe he fights a top 20 guy in 2018! The arrogance of this dude, his people, his tens of fans to think he can dictate ANYTHING in negotiations with GGG or Kovelev is pathetic.
The thing is, I would be fine with the bum of the month club for a few fights considering the layoff and the possible move up in weight, but he's still only fighting twice a year! Needing some tune ups on his schedule means maybe he fights a top 20 guy in 2018! The arrogance of this dude, his people, his tens of fans to think he can dictate ANYTHING in negotiations with GGG or Kovelev is pathetic.
He's coasting off the super six tournament at this point, the fact he won't fight outside of Oakland is just the icing on the cake too.
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The WBA is waffling about having that be a title fight now. If he were to win, Roy will have won a title in every division from middleweight to heavy.
The WBA "interim" heavyweight championship kills me, KILLS me. Neither the "super" nor the "regular" champions are injured or unable to defend their belts.....but there's an interim champ for no reason. BOXING
The WBA "interim" heavyweight championship kills me, KILLS me. Neither the "super" nor the "regular" champions are injured or unable to defend their belts.....but there's an interim champ for no reason. BOXING
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