Brand new Sailor Moon anime series due July 2014 (Worldwide release planned)

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I don't get the anime fandoms massive "filler" hatred either. I actually tend to enjoy them for most anime as it helps show the character off more.
 
Femmeworth said:
It's really not as crazy as you make it sound, generalizing things isn't helping your case.
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A show being full of slow, boring episodes is not the same thing. There are SM eps that certainly aren't worth your time, but not because of lack of overarching plot, but because they suck.
 
Boogiepop said:
Since this thread is bumped with seemingly little to talk about anyway: I recall watching at least a bit of this show WAAAAY back when it first started coming out in the US, but I only really recall the first bit of gathering up the original team (I think I actually have a VHS that at least contains Mars' introduction), so I'd imagine I never really saw too much of it. I also just finished up reading through the manga thanks to Kodansha's recent release, and I was wondering how exactly they adapted it. I mean it's apparently 18 volumes in Japan, but they made seemingly something around 200 episodes? Is it just a ton of filler? Do they filler up the actual content and is all that adapted properly? I'd figure out myself, but unfortunately none of the US anime companies are doing what Kodansha did for the manga, so it remains ungodly expensive.
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The basic formula for the Sailor Moon anime is:

- A Big Bad appears with a handful of lesser Generals.
- One General (and only one) is assigned to collect energy, or whatever the evil plan is.
- The General employs numerous Pawns, which are sent out one at a time.
- Sailor Moon powers up and defeats a Pawn.
- Several episodes worth of different combinations of Sailor Senshi (whoever happens to be in the right place at the right time) interact with each other during their civilian life and defeat the individual Pawns. Some Senshi powerups are sometimes mixed in. This is not "filler", it's character development. It's the core purpose of the show. The main "plot" (lightly adapted from the manga) is just the framework that allows the core to exist.

- The Big Bad becomes fed up with the General's inexplicable string of failures, and institutes a management change. Rinse and repeat.
- After all the Generals are used up, the Big Bad steps forward to challenge the Senshi personally.


I agree with Hitokage in that too many people nowadays have concluded that "important to the big picture = good" and "not important to the big picture = waste of time".

"Filler" used to mean that somebody with no regular attachment to the show made a generally-worthless thing to pad out the runtime. The list that was posted earlier is a list of "things that (if you skip for some reason) you won't be reminded that you skipped, and you won't be actively scolded by the show for doing it."
 
It just occurred to me that MST3K has a main story with tons of "filler" of Joel or Mike watching random stuff instead of getting home, although progress is made.
 
Dai101 said:
NICE.

Can we also go back to talk about the girls..... talents? This arguing about filler and what not is just idiotic.
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Looks like Rei is more talented than Minako
 
Jupiter wins in talent, hands down. Minako next <to me at least> and my dear Ami is out of the running.. but is still talented in her own way :D
 
Just to clarify since my comment kind of seems to have caused a spiraling discussion: personally I was just using filler in the general "material original to the adaptation that was not part of the original work" that it's often applied to in anime, like when Bleach made up some new enemies for a season. I'd honestly only consider it a "negative" in general because these plots are usually forced to be stagnant in terms of development by being inserted in between arcs of the original, though of course this doesn't always apply (IE I find the "filler" in Cardcaptor Sakura to be fantastic and feel it adds to the work). Sounds like Sailor Moon is highly (completely?) divergent anyway, so I wouldn't really apply it there anyway.

Sorry to keep being semi-off-topic, but does the anime pull the same characters and powerups even if it's not adapting arcs? Like, I've seen far as I can tell that the main Scouts at least show up, but do more minor roles from late in the manga like, say, the Sailor Starlights appear? Does the anime have things like Super Sailor Moon and the Holy Grail and all that? I think the Dark Kingdom or w/e from the first arc matches up, but are the other groups like the Dead Moon Circus and Sailor Galactica's empire used?

My bad if I'm sidetracking the thread too much. I'm just kind of curious, and a part of me kind of really would like to know if the crazy final arc made it into the anime at all, haha.
 
Ezalc said:
Dat talent.
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Boogiepop said:
Sorry to keep being semi-off-topic, but does the anime pull the same characters and powerups even if it's not adapting arcs? Like, I've seen far as I can tell that the main Scouts at least show up, but do more minor roles from late in the manga like, say, the Sailor Starlights appear? Does the anime have things like Super Sailor Moon and the Holy Grail and all that? I think the Dark Kingdom or w/e from the first arc matches up, but are the other groups like the Dead Moon Circus and Sailor Galactica's empire used?
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Yes.

The Karasumori said:
Tuxedo Mask, women wanted him and men wanted to be him.
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I've been meaning to dress up as him for Halloween or for a convention for years, but I haven't done so yet. Can't find a good top hat, and without that, getting the rest isn't worth it. Heh.
 
Stars diverges more than the rest. The other girls don't get eternal suits, backstories are completely changed in some cases.
 
Boogiepop said:
Sorry to keep being semi-off-topic, but does the anime pull the same characters and powerups even if it's not adapting arcs? Like, I've seen far as I can tell that the main Scouts at least show up, but do more minor roles from late in the manga like, say, the Sailor Starlights appear? Does the anime have things like Super Sailor Moon and the Holy Grail and all that? I think the Dark Kingdom or w/e from the first arc matches up, but are the other groups like the Dead Moon Circus and Sailor Galactica's empire used?

My bad if I'm sidetracking the thread too much. I'm just kind of curious, and a part of me kind of really would like to know if the crazy final arc made it into the anime at all, haha.
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Ah, coming from the manga? Ok.

The five main arcs carry over in a loose sense. The Dark Kingdom, Black Moon, Death Busters, Dead Moon Circus, and Shadow Galactica all appear in their respective anime series and so do most of the principal characters, but the details are all pretty different. To answer your last question there: no, it's not in the anime. Something else happens. The Starlights and such appear, but are made male when not transformed and have more prominent roles.

Supers is massively different from Dream. Least of all is making Fish Eye the effeminate one instead of Hawks Eye. Basically what happens throughout Dream is loosely referenced at the very end. A bunch of progression that is supposed to happen here doesn't, so Stars had to start with a repair arc.

S is pretty much Ikuhara's reimagining of Infinity. It's not wildly different but the influence is clear, and it ends in an entirely different way.

R is closer to Supers level of divergence. Rubeus and the sisters are handled entirely differently, and

The first series includes the first three manga chapters, but how Ch. 3 ends was rewritten. Everything else was rewritten outside the crystal statue chapter. That remained fairly intact. A bunch of Silver Millenium stuff was taken out, and the ending is so divergent R had to start with a repair arc.

Characters are different. Usagi is more comic in the anime, and Chibiusa is shown to want to be better than her even if she's ultimately very much like her.

Mamoru isn't a thief anymore. He's also a couple years older.

Rei is rewritten. Still a shrine maiden but she's hardly the aloof unromantic type. More of an Usagi foil.

Minako is also more comic, but she gets largely ignored by the anime until S where she quickly becomes the best character.

You will never see Ami's mom in the anime.

Overall, the anime is much more comedic and self-aware, although it's also good at shifting tone when it needs to. It's also much more stylized, with a sensibility largely driven by Kunihiko Ikuhara.
 
cj_iwakura said:
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That fricking guy.
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Oh, man! I forgot all about that guy! Haha! I can't stop laughing!

I really need to rewatch the whole series again soon. I've just been rewatching it here and there slowly, and I also watched a few episodes of the Spanish and English versions, too. The Spanish versions (there's a few of them) are pretty good, but the English version is laughably bad at times, and changes the scripts so much, but I kinda enjoy the cheesiness, for some reason. Hah.

Oh, yeah, I just made a Minus gallery for Sailor Moon, if anyone wants to check it out. I'll be uploading stuff there every now and then.
 
MikeMyers said:
I also noticed how you altered your avatar, I prefer the original expression.
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It'll go back after Halloween.
Hitokage said:
A show being full of slow, boring episodes is not the same thing. There are SM eps that certainly aren't worth your time, but not because of lack of overarching plot, but because they suck.
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I know, I'm just teasing you. ;) I understand your position. You could argue that largely episodic series fit with a more childish mentality/viewpoint. (Of course you would also have to argue that isn't necessarily a bad thing.) There are underlying assumptions you need to tackle.
 
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