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[ManaByte]

Yeah right, like the military would shoot aliens down if they'd crash on earth. That's declaring war to something you don't even know if they're good or not.

They know which ones are good and which ones are not...

 

[Ristamar]

I've never even heard of Varginha.

I said, "varginha," part of the female anatomy. It's a word in the english language. Varginha. Varginha. Look it up.

 

[Matlock]

THE ALIENS ARE ALREADY ON EARTH

MY DOG TOLD ME

SHIT

 

[FoneBone]

:lol :lol

And Manabyte continues his run as the OT forum's most unintentionally hilarious poster.

 

[Belfast]

Shit people. It has nothing to do with Manabyte, its all the retarded self-aggrandizing jokes that come after. Unfortunately the whole alien thing is a softball target, nobody would really be willing to discuss it, they'd rather just be dickheads.

 

[Mike Works]

They know which ones are good and which ones are not...

Oh man, I know this! Uh... the little grey ones are good and the big dudes who get absorbed into canyon walls are the bad ones, right??

 

[Chipopo]

Shit people. It has nothing to do with Manabyte, its all the retarded self-aggrandizing jokes that come after. Unfortunately the whole alien thing is a softball target, nobody would really be willing to discuss it, they'd rather just be dickheads.

Not entirely. While the prospect of aliens visiting earth is tremendously frightening to the human psyche, it's the way that Manabyte talks about the subject that makes him come across like a slack-jawed bafoon who simply wants to encapsulate reality in to something more appealing to his sensibilities. As if he's familiar enough with the truth about aliens that he can talk in such an authoritative manner. No, he just visits all the same conspiracy clusterfuck web-rings and regurgitates it here.

 

[Error Macro]

i witnessed a UFO about 3 weeks ago with 2 other people in company.

it was red/green and moving at really fast speed. we spotted it going straight up did some zigzags or something and it took off to the left REALLY FAST. My friend spotted it first and it took me about 10 seconds to see it... it was a little hard to see since it was pretty small.

That's my story for the day.

Sounds similar to the sightings I saw a few years back. Orange with a red edge, though. Flew slowly in a zig-zag "bumble bee" pattern. Disappeared then reappeared in another part of the sky before accelerating at an incredible speed toward the North. I'm talking like near the speed of light type of speed. Then a little over a year later, I saw the object again exhibiting the exact same behavior.

 

[Belfast]

Not entirely. While the prospect of aliens visiting earth is tremendously frightening to the human psyche, it's the way that Manabyte talks about the subject that makes him come across like a slack-jawed bafoon who simply wants to encapsulate reality in to something more appealing to his sensibilities. As if he's familiar enough with the truth about aliens that he can talk in such an authoritative manner. No, he just visits all the same conspiracy clusterfuck web-rings and regurgitates it here.

Yeah, you've got to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, really. I can see how some of his statements can seem silly, but people were making fun of the original post, which is true. Brazil IS opening their files. If a national government is taking this seriously (and even out government has, even if they say there is no conclusive evidence in public, the fact that they've had several programs dedicated to researching UFOs means something), that should tell you something. And the Varginha incident IS pretty huge.

Does that mean any of this is true? Does it mean aliens exist? Perhaps not. But I'm tired of mainstream science eschewing the supernatural like it wasn't an issue for people. When you're not willing to experiment, your explanation is a mere "guess." I don't see the difference in validity of calling a sighting "swamp gas" beyond the idea that we already understand swamp gas.

A lot of things we consider natural today were supernatural to people hundreds of years ago. Bah, I'm ranting too much, though. I just wish more people would give research into this subject a chance. Its unfortunate that all the real crazies and hoaxers and idiots out there have to dilute the legitimate study of such phenomenon. If we could figure these things out, a lot of progress could be made. For instance, if alien abductions are a completely psychological phenomenon plaguing thousands of people around the world, then we need to figure out what's causing it and help these people out. Whether these things prove or disprove aliens, I think they're at least worth being taken seriously.

 

[FoneBone]

Not entirely. While the prospect of aliens visiting earth is tremendously frightening to the human psyche, it's the way that Manabyte talks about the subject that makes him come across like a slack-jawed bafoon who simply wants to encapsulate reality in to something more appealing to his sensibilities. As if he's familiar enough with the truth about aliens that he can talk in such an authoritative manner. No, he just visits all the same conspiracy clusterfuck web-rings and regurgitates it here.

:lol
Thank you.

 

[Chipopo]

Yeah, you've got to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, really. I can see how some of his statements can seem silly, but people were making fun of the original post, which is true. Brazil IS opening their files. If a national government is taking this seriously (and even out government has, even if they say there is no conclusive evidence in public, the fact that they've had several programs dedicated to researching UFOs means something), that should tell you something. And the Varginha incident IS pretty huge.

Does that mean any of this is true? Does it mean aliens exist? Perhaps not. But I'm tired of mainstream science eschewing the supernatural like it wasn't an issue for people. When you're not willing to experiment, your explanation is a mere "guess." I don't see the difference in validity of calling a sighting "swamp gas" beyond the idea that we already understand swamp gas.

A lot of things we consider natural today were supernatural to people hundreds of years ago. Bah, I'm ranting too much, though. I just wish more people would give research into this subject a chance. Its unfortunate that all the real crazies and hoaxers and idiots out there have to dilute the legitimate study of such phenomenon. If we could figure these things out, a lot of progress could be made. For instance, if alien abductions are a completely psychological phenomenon plaguing thousands of people around the world, then we need to figure out what's causing it and help these people out. Whether these things prove or disprove aliens, I think they're at least worth being taken seriously.

Agreed on all counts. Seriously.

Manabyte's still a chode.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Yeah the secret government organisations doing deals with aliens and shooting the bad ones are what makes me immediately write Manabyte off as a complete crackpot. I mean, if they are our buddies etc, why don't we start firing up some decent spacerockets?

You make some good points Belfast, unfortunately, Manabyte doesn't.

 

[maharg]

I just wish more people would give research into this subject a chance. Its unfortunate that all the real crazies and hoaxers and idiots out there have to dilute the legitimate study of such phenomenon. If we could figure these things out, a lot of progress could be made. For instance, if alien abductions are a completely psychological phenomenon plaguing thousands of people around the world, then we need to figure out what's causing it and help these people out. Whether these things prove or disprove aliens, I think they're at least worth being taken seriously.

I doubt there's a complete vacuum of research into psychological explanations of alien abduction stuff. It's just, like all of this, very difficult to actually 'study' scientifically. What exactly do you expect them to do beyond what they already do? Short of someone sleeping in an MRI while they have an alien abduction experience, there's not much they can do there, and on the other end, proving they really happen, is impossible because the claims themselves are self-defeating.

Proving the existence of anal-probing aliens is about the same challenge as proving the existence of god. Neither apparently wants to be discovered, so rational discourse over their existence is forever plagued with the problem of somehow tricking them into proving it for us. It's a classic example of the good old "there's a floating pink unicorn behind your head. Trust me" example.

 

[Malakhov]

For instance, if alien abductions are a completely psychological phenomenon plaguing thousands of people around the world, then we need to figure out what's causing it and help these people out. Whether these things prove or disprove aliens, I think they're at least worth being taken seriously.

Sleep paralysis. It happened to me a few times and yeah it was aliens. The scariest thing I've ever experienced, couldn't sleep for days afterwards.

Here:
http://new.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=13376&highlight=sleep+paralysis

That was the first time it happened to me.

 

[Warm Machine]

Those are also known as night terrors. Sometimes involving a old witch like woman kneeling over you.

What I don't get are the people who live in big cities saying they were abducted by aliens. Its a city for crying out loud. Someone must have seen the saucer!

 

[Scrow]

It's a classic example of the good old "there's a floating pink unicorn behind your head. Trust me" example.

problem solved with two mirrors

 

[olimario]

problem solved with two mirrors

Brasilian mirrors?!?!!

 

[Belfast]

I doubt there's a complete vacuum of research into psychological explanations of alien abduction stuff. It's just, like all of this, very difficult to actually 'study' scientifically. What exactly do you expect them to do beyond what they already do? Short of someone sleeping in an MRI while they have an alien abduction experience, there's not much they can do there, and on the other end, proving they really happen, is impossible because the claims themselves are self-defeating.

Proving the existence of anal-probing aliens is about the same challenge as proving the existence of god. Neither apparently wants to be discovered, so rational discourse over their existence is forever plagued with the problem of somehow tricking them into proving it for us. It's a classic example of the good old "there's a floating pink unicorn behind your head. Trust me" example.

There's not a complete vacuum, but it still doesn't get the mainstream attention it needs to. I'll agree that there's no concrete way to "test" things at this point, but its also a mistake to totally disregard it, as well. Science builds upon past science and if you don't start building those stairs, you'll never make it to the top. Once again, I didn't say they need to prove the EXISTENCE of the aliens per se. I'm not stating that there's an absolute truth laying at the end of the path, but I do think we need to know where that path leads.


Also, I know about night terrors. But I am hard pressed to believe they alone explain everything. There are too many extraneous details to consider to yet distill it all into one explanation. Night terrors are a real phenomenon, but just because the circumstances surrounding alien abductions are tangentally similar (both usually in the night, sometimes involved weird creatures in your bedroom, etc.) doesn't mean they are the same exact phenomenon. Especially since many of them have occurred while people were awake.

 

[maharg]

problem solved with two mirrors

The problem is, it's a vampire unicorn so it doesn't show up in mirrors.

There's not a complete vacuum, but it still doesn't get the mainstream attention it needs to. I'll agree that there's no concrete way to "test" things at this point, but its also a mistake to totally disregard it, as well. Science builds upon past science and if you don't start building those stairs, you'll never make it to the top. Once again, I didn't say they need to prove the EXISTENCE of the aliens per se. I'm not stating that there's an absolute truth laying at the end of the path, but I do think we need to know where that path leads.

Again though, what do you expect them to do differently? What you seem to want is that they start from a conclusion, that is that there is some substance to unverified and impossible to prove sightings, and work backwards from that to some kind of answer. It doesn't work that way.

The only path to follow is the current one. When it becomes possible to create an experiment or make a prediction about future discoveries, we can talk about finding answers. Until then, scientists will focus on things that are provable.

 

[Saki]

The problem is, it's a vampire unicorn so it doesn't show up in mirrors.

:lol

 

[isamu]

is it true the aliens will be publishing the OutRun 2SP for Xbox?

 

[Belfast]

The problem is, it's a vampire unicorn so it doesn't show up in mirrors.



Again though, what do you expect them to do differently? What you seem to want is that they start from a conclusion, that is that there is some substance to unverified and impossible to prove sightings, and work backwards from that to some kind of answer. It doesn't work that way.

The only path to follow is the current one. When it becomes possible to create an experiment or make a prediction about future discoveries, we can talk about finding answers. Until then, scientists will focus on things that are provable.

Didn't say it wouldn't be a long road, ya know. But, you've got to start somewhere. Its not like you can go from Newton's Apple to Quantum Physics in a day. Hey, but nobody (well, almost nobody, I'm sure somebody somewhere must've been intrigued by the forces that move the universe) gave a shit about gravity until Newton came along. There's no need for a conclusion, just a hypothesis. Then work from the hypothesis. I have the feeling, though, that this is not something that can be investigated by conventional scientists alone. You need social and behavioral scientists, too. I mean ufologists do what they can, but when the rest of the community is brow-beating them for even bothering to investigate such things, what else can you do?