Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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I just saw this episode and all i have to say is

Holy Shit! I know its wrong but god damn it I really want Walt to win and live in the end. It's going to be so epic when Walt and Hank finally square off.
 
I also think walt was *actually* out mentally in the last part of this episode. They showed the scenes of his facial expression at home and at the cancer clinic purposefully, and you could tell the difference in the way that he talked to Jesse and Skylar versus the monster he's been most of this season.

July 2013 is far away.
 
Also, I think the look on Walt's face at the money room really showed why he decided enough was enough. I know he said earlier that he was in the empire building business, but ultimately, confronted with that overwhelming mound of cash that Skylar couldn't even count, and when she asked him how big this pile needed to be, it put into perspective the futility of his whole goal and what he was doing it all for, because he already had more than he could ever want or need for anything in the world. I could be totally wrong, but in my mind the organic way in which he looked at Skylar almost shyly, smiled briefly and walked away seemed more sincere. I could see him lying to Skylar and staring her down and saying "read my lips. I am out. I'm done. It's all over, okay?" and staring her down until she responded, but he seemed more relaxed in that scene.

this. i think he was out by the time he left the money room.

i think the scene at the doctor's was to show that s5 walt reacts differently than s2 walt to the same news of remission.
 
BUT WHY DOES HE RUN AND WHY DOES HE GO BACK. Well we know why he goes back, but no specifics!

Lock this thread till next year. I can't taking speculating any more.

Also upon more thought, Walt was definitely out.
 
It's not about quantity. Walt running over the 2 drug dealers to save Jesse was way more graphic and mind blowing to me than the shanking.

I don't dislike or hate the episode I just feel like it didn't set up anything major for next season except Hank knowing. I think also there was so much tension in so many seasons but the rubber band didn't snap. It just slowly went back to normal. A huge thing didn't happen the episode just kind of kept us on the edge without delivering the goods I think.

Yeah but it did the two things you want from a non-Series "finale" - it provided some closure, but also advanced the characters to a point where we can really imagine a lot of possible outcomes for them in future seasons (or the last season here obviously). We got to see Fring's operation go under as Mike is mourned and forgotten, we saw how the "empire" would work, and then we saw some real change in WW.

But we know that there is an assault rifle and fake IDs and another 8 months etc. left in Walt's future, so getting to see a really well done idyllic family afternoon was beautiful when it became juxtaposed with the kind of creepy/haunting flashback that promised at more craziness for Walt. Do you not like that Hank now knows it's been Walt who's been leading him in circles for a year, or was that just not enough?
 
By the end of those 3 months Walt seemed exhausted. The thrill out of the whole thing was gone. There was no opportunity to flaunt his pride anymore. It was just a simple job, where his products were shipped and all he got in return was money, which is no use to him.
 
I've never loved and hated a character so much before. I love the direction he's heading, and the fact he exists, but hate what he's doing.
 
Yeah but it did the two things you want from a non-Series "finale" - it provided some closure, but also advanced the characters to a point where we can really imagine a lot of possible outcomes for them in future seasons (or the last season here obviously). We got to see Fring's operation go under as Mike is mourned and forgotten, we saw how the "empire" would work, and then we saw some real change in WW.

But we know that there is an assault rifle and fake IDs and another 8 months etc. left in Walt's future, so getting to see a really well done idyllic family afternoon was beautiful when it became juxtaposed with the kind of creepy/haunting flashback that promised at more craziness for Walt. Do you not like that Hank now knows it's been Walt who's been leading him in circles for a year, or was that just not enough?

I would've liked something else to happen. Hank knowing is fine but it would've been nice if he confronted him as well or began the investigation or something.

I guess I just want more now and don't want to wait a year and the episode isn't really a finale but it feels like it since they split it up.

By the end of those 3 months Walt seemed exhausted. The thrill out of the whole thing was gone. There was no opportunity to flaunt his pride anymore. It was just a simple job, where his products were shipped and all he got in return was money, which is no use to him.

this definitely
 
So I watched the episode again, 3.6, "Sunset".

The key cut is after the Gale Intro Sequence. He recites the poem at the end of their shift, so we have to assume it's the end of the day (evening?).

We cut to Hank staking out Jesse's, in daylight. Marie asks him if he's "ever coming home".

There is a nebulous span of time there, and then it goes full throttle into the RV chase and stand off.

That cut has to hold a full other shift in that cut, since Walt is reading the book when Hank calls him.

If there isn't, goodbye show.
 
By the end of those 3 months Walt seemed exhausted. The thrill out of the whole thing was gone. There was no opportunity to flaunt his pride anymore. It was just a simple job, where his products were shipped and all he got in return was money, which is no use to him.

Yup, it's almost like he fell back into his 9-5 grind. He's always been about the excitement and discovery.

Next up? Manipulating Hank and the DEA.
 
I had goosebumps the entire episode, so good! I want a flashback to Walt and Jesse in high school chemistry class. I love BB the most when those two have their time.
 
The more I watch this episode the more awesome it gets.

Breaking Bad may very well be one of my top 5 shows ever. To think that not that long ago, I liked Dexter way more than BB...
 
Did anyone post this yet? The Walt Whitman poem that the episode was named after:

GLIDING o'er all, through all,
Through Nature, Time, and Space,
As a ship on the waters advancing,
The voyage of the soul--not life alone,
Death, many deaths I'll sing.

Let me be the first in this thread to admit, that I just don't get poetry.
 
Also, I think the look on Walt's face at the money room really showed why he decided enough was enough. I know he said earlier that he was in the empire building business, but ultimately, confronted with that overwhelming mound of cash that Skylar couldn't even count, and when she asked him how big this pile needed to be, it put into perspective the futility of his whole goal and what he was doing it all for, because he already had more than he could ever want or need for anything in the world. [g]I could be totally wrong, but in my mind the organic way in which he looked at Skylar almost shyly, smiled briefly and walked away seemed more sincere.[/b] I could see him lying to Skylar and staring her down and saying "read my lips. I am out. I'm done. It's all over, okay?" and staring her down until she responded, but he seemed more relaxed in that scene. It's also possible he got his diagnosis in a scene we did not see that the cancer has returned, and he's re-prioritized his life yet again.

I caught that as well. A thought I had was Skylar prophesying the return of Walt's cancer being her way out is coming in to fruition. His ego won't allow him to tell her; after all the shit he's put her through she can't have that victory. Not yet.
 
So I watched the episode again, 3.6, "Sunset".

The key cut is after the Gale Intro Sequence. He recites the poem at the end of their shift, so we have to assume it's the end of the day (evening?).

We cut to Hank staking out Jesse's, in daylight. Marie asks him if he's "ever coming home".

There is a nebulous span of time there, and then it goes full throttle into the RV chase and stand off.

That cut has to hold a full other shift in that cut, since Walt is reading the book when Hank calls him.

If there isn't, goodbye show.

Why are you obsessed with the book and when Walt got it. It does not matter at all.

At some point Gale gave Walt a book with an inscription inside. Walt kept it by his beside and eventually by chance Hank see's it and makes the connection.

It feels flimsy I don't personally like it but it's not a big deal. I don't know why you're equating this to lost which had retcons and contradictions all over the place (still loved it though).
 
I also think walt was *actually* out mentally in the last part of this episode. They showed the scenes of his facial expression at home and at the cancer clinic purposefully, and you could tell the difference in the way that he talked to Jesse and Skylar versus the monster he's been most of this season.

July 2013 is far away.

Man, how can anyone trust Walt's expression around his family to deduce his real thoughts? The man has always been very good at manipulating people around him through expression. It continues to amaze me how people take anything Walt says as truth when almost every word out of his mouth the entire series has been a lie.
 
Man, how can anyone trust Walt's expression around his family to deduce his real thoughts? The man has always been very good at manipulating people around him through expression. It continues to amaze me how people take anything Walt says as truth when almost every word out of his mouth the entire series has been a lie.

You can see it in his face unless Gilligan is tricking the audience via Walt.

I don't know how you can't tell from his body language though. The episode showed him visibly tired and bored of the routine. He has no use for the money anymore. He fulfilled his pride and did his empire gig. And his cancer is probably back. He looks softer and a lot more chill like someone else said rather than the angry monster he was earlier. There's nothing left why would he stay in it. It just seems obvious he meant he's really out.

He didn't even try to convince Skylar which he usually did in the past when he was lying he would try to bend over backwards to convince her but here he's totally confident and normal.
 
Man, how can anyone trust Walt's expression around his family to deduce his real thoughts? The man has always been very good at manipulating people around him through expression. It continues to amaze me how people take anything Walt says as truth when almost every word out of his mouth the entire series has been a lie.

I think him sitting in the chair by himself looking tired said it. He looked physically defeated and mentally unchallenged. I think that was the point of the montage. He no longer had a problem to solve.
 
I would've liked something else to happen. Hank knowing is fine but it would've been nice if he confronted him as well or began the investigation or something.

I guess I just want more now and don't want to wait a year and the episode isn't really a finale but it feels like it since they split it up.



this definitely

Well put. He had no hurdles to jump anymore, so he didn't care.
 
There were so many good scenes in there, so much tension in spots, and that prison scene, and Hank finding out, I dunno I thought it was a wonderful mid-season finale.
 
Haven't watched the episode yet, i'm not going to read the thread but just tell me:
How painfull will the wait for next year be? In other words, was it good?
 
Walt's definitely not out. Even if Hank wasn't starting to put pieces together, he'd stay in the game in some way. There's no doubt in my mind.
I wish Jesse had gotten back with Andrea :(
Both montages were tops for this show, and in a show that is legendary for its montages that's saying something.

So I watched the episode again, 3.6, "Sunset".

The key cut is after the Gale Intro Sequence. He recites the poem at the end of their shift, so we have to assume it's the end of the day (evening?).

We cut to Hank staking out Jesse's, in daylight. Marie asks him if he's "ever coming home".

There is a nebulous span of time there, and then it goes full throttle into the RV chase and stand off.

That cut has to hold a full other shift in that cut, since Walt is reading the book when Hank calls him.

If there isn't, goodbye show.
Hm. I would like this explained if VG could pull it off, but I'm honestly pretty okay with how it was executed already. A short flashback could pull it all together though.
Oh, and your thing about the shot of the banged in bathroom being one of the best of the show: you're right. Season 5 Kingpin Walt staring at that, remembering his old self, who in turn had reached a breaking point after a wealth of development. It summed up his character and recalled all of his "progress". Amazing.

I'm not gonna lie, I started watching Dexter before BB. Caught up and watched both of them con currently at season 3 ish for both. Felt they were on par at the time.

Shame about Dexter though.
I also watched Dexter before BB, but I don't think I ever liked Dexter more. By season 3 of Dex I was seeing it as an often fun pulp story, much lower in my mind than BB's adrenaline-rush character drama. If only Dexter had stayed at even that level instead of sinking into unwatchable shit.
 
In the end, this will only be the 8th episode of a 16 episodes long season.

It couldn't feel MORE of a 'season finale' than it already did.

To be clear, I put the blame for this entirely on AMC and not the writers of this show. They should have just aired all 16 episodes this year.

What we got instead was a good buildup series of episodes with messy pacing and no payoff.
 
Man, how can anyone trust Walt's expression around his family to deduce his real thoughts? The man has always been very good at manipulating people around him through expression. It continues to amaze me how people take anything Walt says as truth when almost every word out of his mouth the entire series has been a lie.

I'm not ruling out that he is lying. He is not a trustworthy fellow. But every one of his other lies was framed differently in this show which is why my hunch is that he was sincere about quitting here. But it is only a hunch.
 
Man, how can anyone trust Walt's expression around his family to deduce his real thoughts? The man has always been very good at manipulating people around him through expression. It continues to amaze me how people take anything Walt says as truth when almost every word out of his mouth the entire series has been a lie.
No doubt, I just felt like his body language was deliberately different than uptight walt, confident walt, and scared shitless walt like we've seen this entire season. I'm probably going to have to go back through these episodes again, and honestly this could be pointless depending on how part 2 starts.

(I'm not on team walt btw)
 
This season really knocked it out of the park with the cooks. Every one was beautiful. I can't decide if I liked the Crystal Blue Persuasion cook from tonight or the On a Clear Day cook from episode 3.
 
I thought that was a good hour of television but a terrible "season finale."

Funny, I thought it worked perfectly as a finale. At the end of season 4 we'd reached a sort of status quo. Walt had won. Season 5 Part 1 began with him trying to get used to this new status, and by the end of tonight's episode he'd reached a new stasis: unbelievably wealthy, empire established, family in repair. And then Hank went to the bathroom and Walt Whitman got a snowball rolling in his head. It was final, but promised a shitton to come.
 
It's definitely a season finale. Next season will be season 6.
 
'hey let me put this incriminating piece of evidence on the toilet with the other reading material!!'

what a mastermind criminal

The screen shot posted a couple pages back shows Walt placed the book in the end table. He or Skylar could have taken it to the bathroom and there's also no guarantee he even looked at the title page. Hank skipped it but flipped back to it.
 
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