The shit is about to hit the fan?
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The shit is about to hit the fan?
Infinite Justice
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nah i don't think he would not care.
dude learnt a holy shit moment while taking a shit
see it works LOL
Man, it's amazing how far Walt has gone down a dark path. He spends a couple of episodes in S1 wrestling with the very notion of killing another human being, and even almost lets Crazy Eight go.
Flashforward to S5, and Walt pretty much skips right to murder with indifference and a complete lack of emotion.
Flashforward to S5, and Walt pretty much skips right to murder with indifference and a complete lack of emotion.
what did you think of the episode where walt kills mike?
-Pyromaniac-
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Yeah Walt definitely couldn't believe he just did something that stupid after killing Mike. Not really a lack of emotion. But when it comes to him VS someone else, he'll always pick someone else without thinking twice about it these days, especially if he doesn't know the person.
Might have been the most disgusting thing he's done yet. And like I said, did it with complete indifference. When he just non-chalantly says "oh wait, I can just get the names from Lydia".....chilling. Complete sociopath.
That's true, but a big reason for the apparent difference is that he had to kill Crazy Eight himself, while he's physically distant from these other killings. He was still shaken up after shooting Mike.
What would that even do? Hank finds a vial of powder behind a panel and that means... what to him?
For starters, any person would find that extremely weird.
But in the BB world? Hank, like a normal person thinks its weird. Maybe he thinks its cocaine or something that Walt Jr. has stored away. So he takes it, has it tested, finds out its ricin. Connects that to Pinkman and Pinkman to Walt. Yeah, it would be a huge stretch, but then huge stretches are nothing new for this show
The best god damn scene in tv ever. I still get chills, that music is so haunting.
Even when Marie calls Skyler, we know the threats against Hank are fake, but the look Skyler has just works magnificently against walts maniacal laughter. The way the cameras are oriented as Skyler backs away to answer the phone, the final shot of walt in the crawl space, SOO GOOD
http://vimeo.com/45737290
Seeing it as a single video like this doesn't give that same impact but goddamn it was so amazing in that episode. Done so well.
Not sure if I ever saw someone act a total breakdown like that so good that does NOT look silly / out of place / acted stupid. Cranston is so good o/
For starters, any person would find that extremely weird.
But in the BB world? Hank, like a normal person thinks its weird. Maybe he thinks its cocaine or something that Walt Jr. has stored away. So he takes it, has it tested, finds out its ricin. Connects that to Pinkman and Pinkman to Walt. Yeah, it would be a huge stretch, but then huge stretches are nothing new for this show
I think that'd be far and away the silliest stretch this show would've ever done if they'd done that. Like, order of magnitude sillier than the airplane crash.
I dunno, it was pretty damned contrived to just have the book just happen to be in the bathroom when Hank was there, and he just happens to choose it over a few other options, and just happens to read the insert sleeve.
Contrivances and huge stretches are a big part of this show, but they are also part of the fun.
Still don't understand why anyone finds that contrived at all. If there's a problem with it it's that we never explicitly saw Gale give it to him, not that Walt still had it. More importantly it works perfectly as the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of circumstantial evidence against Walt.
And seriously, you're arguing that him bumping an electrical outlet, finding a vial of powder in it, and tracing that through Jesse's belief his girlfriend's son was poisoned by ricin (something he doesn't even know, afaik), would be *less* of a stretch? I mean.. come on.
And seriously, you're arguing that him bumping an electrical outlet, finding a vial of powder in it, and tracing that through Jesse's belief his girlfriend's son was poisoned by ricin (something he doesn't even know, afaik), would be *less* of a stretch? I mean.. come on.
I have had zero problems with the airplane crash or the way Hank figures out everything. If I had to worry about stuff like that then there would be plenty of more things that would make me go 'Eh... ok'. I choose not to do that. It all works perfectly fine in this show and never seems out of place (to me). That is how I feel about it.
Jesse was questioned by APD about the ricin. You think that wouldn't surface if Hank went digging about the rare poison?
Anyways, this is a silly debate that I don't see much point in continuing. I will just say that if the show didn't have copious stretches or contrivances, or if it adhered to any kind of reality at all, Walt would be dead or caught 100 times over, and the show would be boring.
lol, it's good to see you finally decided to watch the show.
Not only as circumstantial evidence but also a form of retribution from beyond the grave, as a person Walt had killed and forgotten about becomes the domino that leads to Walt's downfall. With the added irony that Gale was genuinely fond of Walt.
Not only as circumstantial evidence but also a form of retribution from beyond the grave, as a person Walt had killed and forgotten about becomes the domino that leads to Walt's downfall. With the added irony that Gale was genuinely fond of Walt.
InaudibleWhispa
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As they said on the podcast, I believe, Hank finding out is a big enough event in and of itself that it doesn't require some big theatrical reveal. Put him in the most mundane situation possible, and it's still a completely holy shit moment.
I just wish Hank had found out (in whatever fashion) in a less predictable setup. When I knew it was basically the last scene of 5 Part 1, it was 100% obvious Hank was going to find out somehow. Especially coming right off the heels of Walt "retiring".
Its a really obvious/easy cliffhanger.
Its a really obvious/easy cliffhanger.
The second that the ricin is used - and you know they're going to use it. They've been prepping that plot thread since Season 2! - you know that shit will get *even more* real. If Walt uses that, they will immediately link that to Jesse. Then you've got Jesse's connection with Hank, and the fact that he was in the RV with Heisenberg, good ol' W.W. But then there's the whole deal of how Hank beat the shit out of Jesse and could be in danger if he pursues him any more. Gah! So much stuff!
Oh, Solo, you should read the reactions to Hank finding out.
That's like complaining that you knew the ending of a book was coming up because there were only a few pages left. Completely asinine.
-Pyromaniac-
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there is no other way he could find out though. No matter when it happened, it would be something we saw coming.
That and walt tied up every loose end. All leads were dead (literally!).
Knowing Walt, he will use the ricin to take Jesse down. Not to kill him, but like you said, use it on someone else and hang Jesse out to dry.
? Okay......but not really.
? Okay......but not really.
No, I mean leaving it as the very final scene of the season - that's the predictable/obvious/easy part.
I agree that we all knew Hank was going to find out, of course, but it could have been done in at a hundred different times, and didn't necessarily have to be done in what felt like a network-television-at-sweeps manner.
This gave me (somewhat positive/somewhat negative) flashbacks to the LOST threads, with all the "OMG"s and all the CAPITAL LETTERS :lol
EDIT: triple post, my bad
Unless he decided to specifically look into Jesse, Hank as a DEA agent is pretty unlikely to hear about the notes from the local police's uniform cop's interview with the boyfriend of the mother of a kid who got poisoned by a plant, yeah. I don't see how this idea can be seen as anything but too silly and disconnected even for BB. Hell, it's too meta of a connection for Community even.
I get the impression you think I think BB is realistic or something when I'm probably the biggest champion in this thread of the idea that not only is Breaking Bad full of silly and grandiose dramatic events, but that that's one of the best things about it.
InaudibleWhispa
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I think just because something is obvious it doesn't mean it's wrong to go with it. It's obvious for a reason, because it's the perfect spot to leave us hanging. The more interesting story is how we got to that point and where it takes us next season.
That, and the pool scene right at the end of S5-1 made me feel nervous and uneasy. Nothing happened in the backyard talk, but I was scared as shit.
IamMattFox
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I was with the others in the thread who were saying Mike would find Walt's birthday watch in some incriminating place or something leading to the deduction since he pointed it out a couple times.For starters, any person would find that extremely weird.
But in the BB world? Hank, like a normal person thinks its weird. Maybe he thinks its cocaine or something that Walt Jr. has stored away. So he takes it, has it tested, finds out its ricin. Connects that to Pinkman and Pinkman to Walt. Yeah, it would be a huge stretch, but then huge stretches are nothing new for this show
The year wait is just getting real for me, guys. =(
Not at all! I am already seeing though that BB-GAF is VERY divisive on almost everything about the show though. Which is pretty cool, actually. Seems like it tickles everyone in a different manner.
Something like Fly seems like a microcosm of that - before I saw it, half of GAF would have me believe that it was the worst episode of scripted television in history, a blight upon humanity, whereas other half would have me believe that it was the finest hour in television history and the pinnacle of television. Then I watched it, and it was neither.
How do you feel about Skysky?
0/2 between Skysky and Fly Solo....
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I'm fine with Hank finding out on the toilet and it being the final scene, I only have one gripe:
Hank should have found out in a way that Walt didn't already know about.
Not only did Walt know that Hank had Gale's notebook, he knew Hank asked Walt about the W.W. thing. Walt's a smart guy, he would have packed away that book or trashed it
Hank should have found out in a way that Walt didn't already know about.
Not only did Walt know that Hank had Gale's notebook, he knew Hank asked Walt about the W.W. thing. Walt's a smart guy, he would have packed away that book or trashed it
It's entirely possible he did pack away, but forgot about the writing in the beginning when he unpacked it earlier this season
Fly is pretty terrible, though. Four Days Out is a bottle episode done right.
Leaving the most suspenseful, table turning moment in a series for the last few seconds of a show about to go on hiatus... There's a reason it's been done that way for decades. It's story telling 101. What did you want them to do, have an actual mundane scene at the end? That would have been unpredictable. And completely unsatisfactory.
It's a game changing moment and they chose to use it to set up the last 8 episodes and serve as a cliff hanger. To not do so would have perhaps been less predictable, but would have been so just for the sake of bucking expectations. That's not a good reason to do it. Sometimes the most predictable outcome happens to be the most satisfactory.
Polarizing is probably the best word for it.
Battersea Power Station
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I'm with Solo. I usually watch a couple of episodes before going back in the thread and reading comments. When I watched Fly, I thought it was a solid episode: an excellent entry in a fantastic serial. Great, I wonder what will happen next week.
Only upon entering this thread did I find it was the cause of controversy, and divisiveness.
Communities have a dangerous way of consolidating thoughts into blunt generalities, stripping them of nuance and intricacy.
Wiggum2007
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Yeah knowing it was the last scene of the half season, the second it cut to Hank going to the restroom I immediately knew hew was going to find out, took some of the wind out of the sails of that reveal.
Still love him finding on the shitter though.
Still love him finding on the shitter though.
Cuban Legend
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can someone explain what was so goddamn good about that boring-ass episode?
I even rewatched it a few days ago when someone hailed it's "glory" but i still don't see it.
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