Oh nevermind I get it now. CCS is boned by Kitty's claim. Tries to flip today's vote to Gorlak to save Flame. Tomorrow we would presumably lynch CCS, and by the next day maybe flame has escaped the lingering suspicion.
Yeah that makes sense.
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Yeah that makes sense.
Poltergust
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I don't get these flag shenanigans. Is this a British thing?
If you're right this is a pretty terrible play. Why would CCS's claim flip the vote to Gorlak? The 3-day restriction thing makes him sound more like a neutral than anything else - why not keep at least that to themselves to make it a somewhat more believable scum role?
Some people really love British flags. I presume the role is a play on that.
If I'm scum I've done a pretty poor job of it. Even if I make it out of today somehow I'm pretty sure I'd be up on the docket to die again on another day, at least part of the conversation.
Yeah that would probably have been better, but the general idea would be "make Gorlak look like a liar, hope town lynches him for it".
The thing that gets me is CCS knowing more than just the role name. I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility but it strikes me as odd.
I'm thinking we need to lynch Gorlak then CCS, regardless of Gorlak's flip. Is it a bus?
I'm entertaining the idea that CCS tried to gain town cred by bussing Gorlak - "see? I'm totally a role cop/town!"
I'm not completely sold on it yet, just speaking my thoughts
That explains why they're not a flavor name cop, not why they seemingly get a paraphrased version of their target's role PM.
Why? I can't see the logic here to lynching Gorlak first?
CCS can't be lynched today?
CCS, who has been red checked, wants us to flip Gorlak before flame.
Why would we do that?
I said I'm only entertaining the idea, but the idea is that CCS would call out Gorlak in order to gain town cred (bus). Again, I'm not completely sold on it, it's just a theory.
No way CCS would suddenly bus their partner when Flame was(is) guaranteed to be lynched today. You're right that would explain why they know so much about Flame's role, but just coming out with it unprompted like that in the middle of an already ill-fated counterclaim? I wouldn't entertain the possibility unless Flame flips town.
The difference is that CCS probably wasn't expecting a cop to call him out today.
So... Your theory is he tried to trade the scum who has been generally nullread and is currently in a good position to survive to end game (Gorlak) for the widely suspected and now red-checked scum (CCS himself), and hope that after lynching Gorlak we'd ignore Kitty's result AND not be concerned about CCS' continued survival after ammasing all those townie points?
We're also talking about the person that thinks a role cop is a good town counterclaim.
For the millionth time, it doesn't have to be true, I just want to posit the idea.
Bold conclusion there.
I mean, we're all waiting for Gorlak here and there's probably not much I can say to make you feel like I'm vanilla townie.
Random thoughts any of us put out here might trigger something in someone else and we can have a breakthrough, even if it may seem meaningless now.
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DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Flame_AC (3)
Ourobolus 861 1015
Spoiled Milk 867
CCS 920 992
Gorlak 927
Zippedpinhead 952
Gorlak (2)
Crab 960
CCS 992
No active vote for Day 3: *Splinter, backslashbunny, Fireblend, Flame_AC, Kalor, Kawl_USC, kingkitty, Ourobolus (has previously voted), Poltergust, zeemumu
Day 3 Postcount: *Splinter 13, backslashbunny 3, CCS 12, Crab 1, Fireblend 19, Flame_AC 19, Gorlak 6, Kalor 10, Kawl_USC 6, kingkitty 12, Ourobolus 45, Poltergust 19, Spoiled Milk 11, zeemumu 3, Zippedpinhead 2
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
Flame_AC (3)
Spoiled Milk 867
Gorlak 927
Zippedpinhead 952
Gorlak (2)
Crab 960
CCS 992
No active vote for Day 3: *Splinter, backslashbunny, Fireblend, Flame_AC, Kalor, Kawl_USC, kingkitty, Ourobolus (has previously voted), Poltergust, zeemumu
Day 3 Postcount: *Splinter 13, backslashbunny 3, CCS 12, Crab 1, Fireblend 19, Flame_AC 19, Gorlak 6, Kalor 10, Kawl_USC 6, kingkitty 12, Ourobolus 45, Poltergust 19, Spoiled Milk 11, zeemumu 3, Zippedpinhead 2
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
8 votes for majority
Fine question since we're not completely sure how it works yet. Kingkitty made it seem like, to me at least, he hands out a flag to one person each night, then if they keep the flag then they voted to Remain in the EU, which for us would be scum. KK then said they gave one to CCS and they apparently kept the flag, meaning they're on Remain which would be a red check/scum. Basically an in flavor cop from the looks of it.
Just to make everything clear as possible
According to my role, as Boris Johnson I have a flag. The flag is named 'Vote Leave'. I give flag to a target each night.
If the flag comes back, that means the target voted to Leave (great).
If the flag does not come back, that means the target voted to Remain (not great).
N1: Target Crab. Flag came back. Target voted to Leave (great).
N2: Target CCS. Flag did not come back. Target voted to Remain (not great).
As well as being Boris Johnson, I am also given a proper name for my role. And it's not "role cop" or "alignment cop" or "flag man". It's Leave Delusionist.
According to my role, as Boris Johnson I have a flag. The flag is named 'Vote Leave'. I give flag to a target each night.
If the flag comes back, that means the target voted to Leave (great).
If the flag does not come back, that means the target voted to Remain (not great).
N1: Target Crab. Flag came back. Target voted to Leave (great).
N2: Target CCS. Flag did not come back. Target voted to Remain (not great).
As well as being Boris Johnson, I am also given a proper name for my role. And it's not "role cop" or "alignment cop" or "flag man". It's Leave Delusionist.
Very interesting. CCS, what's your proper role name?
Zippedpinhead
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So we have an alignment cop, a red checked person we can't vote for.
That red checked person may or may not be bussing another scum (or just obscuring our current vote)
And a thunderdome.
Did I miss anything else?
That red checked person may or may not be bussing another scum (or just obscuring our current vote)
And a thunderdome.
Did I miss anything else?
Poltergust
Member
Do you only have one flag?
And if you do, would lynching the person who carries it return it?
Gorlak claimed vanilla which CCS disputes. I'm vanilla townie.
OOoooooh. That's a good question. Be a pseudo one-shot cop whose ability stops after finding one scum. That'd be pretty clever.
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Poltergust
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I SEE AN EDIT!
Please spare him, cabot
That was my other persona, Modobolus. He's cool, don't worry.
Ouro explained it well above. Join us, it's fun!
I just thought it'd be an interesting role mechanic, but I mean if it really is one 'shot' then obviously KK shouldn't say anything.
Poltergust
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I'm confused. Isn't this information helpful for town, too?
If CCS is scum, then they could either be bussing Gorlak like Ouro has been suggesting (which is unlikely as discussed in the previous page) or trying to take pressure away from Flame, it really could go either way, and that's assuming one of them is scum. Regardless, KK's claim is credible and that makes CCS a pretty much guaranteed scum flip, so we're in a "they thought we thought they thought etc" scenario.
Before KK claimed, town was pretty much set on lynching Flame. Why fake-claim to "save" Gorlak at a time when he really wasn't at risk? Remember KK claimed first, then CCS counterclaimed.
Say CCS is scum role checker, then it is possible Gorlak could have lied and CCS is trying to use the lie to buy some town cred by lynching the liar, since Gorlak claimed vanilla. Of course we'd all still lynch CCS tomorrow, at least almost certainly, barring some other crazy thing.
If CCS is trying to appear town to me and flip my opinion of them, they're doing a bad job cause that's where my vote went on Day 2 and will go again on Day 4 if I make it.
If KK was lying somehow, then it only really costs town Day 4 when we lynch CCS and find out that KK was lying the whole time. If that happens then KK is lynched the next day (and Gorlak goes soon after probably).
One way or another, one of KK and CCS is scum, and it's more likely to be CCS.
On the off chance their both town we're in a big heap of trouble. Gorlak/me die today, CCS the next day, KK the day after. Puts town at D7 with a horrible lynch record.
How would it be? Scum would have the advantage because if they know KK has no shots left then they know they can de-prioritize him and look for other people to NK. If they know KK has any shots left or is unlimited or whatever, they'll prioritize killing them. That's much more valuable than what we would do with that same information - I trust Kitty to use their role to the best of their abilities, that's it. It's way better to leave scum in the dark in that regard.
Nope. I think Gorlak is town as well. (unless it's true that they set up the thunderdome in which case I think they're neutral.) But for the likely outcome, I'm town, Gorlak is town, and this is a bad thunderdome cause it's stopping us from nailing CCS.
Poltergust
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I dunno. I think knowing if the flag can be re-obtained can make it so that we can prioritize on keeping kingkitty alive.
I mean, based on what happened (or I guess, didn't happen) last night, we definitely have some defensive options in our disposal.
That said, I guess it doesn't really matter in this particular instance. Regardless of whether kingkitty has used up his power or not I'll most likely be voting for CCS tomorrow anyways.
So you think CCS is outright lying about everything? That would make their play even worse than it already is, because they opened themselves up to the true thunderdome-maker claiming and voiding their strategy for no benefit at all to scum. I'm pretty sure CCS is a scum-aligned (or remain-voter) role cop. If not, then one of their scum partners is one.
Agree with Fireblend. There's no point in knowing right now how many shots/flags KK has. The doctor/whatever knows KK has a role and anyone who wants to use one on KK can.
I honestly don't know. I feel like I misspoke. I should have said that I don't think Gorlak is scum, but I instead said town /=/ non-scum.
Town / Lean:
kingkitty
Crab
backslashbunny
Spoiled Milk
...big gap
Ouro
...big gap
Fireblend
Poltergust
*Splinter
I'm taking KK to be telling the truth, which then vindicates Crab. I detailed earlier how I felt about Backslashbunny and Spoiled Milk. Fireblend/Poltergust/Splinter all fall into a clump of people who have asked a bunch of questions and have generally been vocal about their opinions. I personally didn't like some of Splinter's questions especially since they feel pretty certain I'm scum, but it's okay to be wrong occasionally.
I've kind of agreed with Fireblend throughout the first couple of days here, but I feel like they have been holding back in a way. Ouro's been playing well enough, has been involved, and made good points but I have the nagging hesitance that it could be the good ol' vocal scum, but I find it somewhat unlikely.------------------
Neutral/Non-Scum Leaning:
Gorlak
Kawl_USC
Y'all know I'm onboard the thunderdomer is a neutral train, and if we take CCS to be scum role cop who is trying to buy some town cred, then he is. Kawl I feel has been such a void of posting information. Thinking back I can remember an occasional burst of posts from Kawl where they engaged in the discussion at the time, but never really brought anything fresh to the table.
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Scum:
CCS
...big gap
zeemumu
Kalor
Zippedpinhead
CCS is obvious. Zeemumu, Kalor, and Zippedpinhead I feel are in various stages of the coasting scum candidates. I can think of no major attempts at scum hunting from any of these people. They've been speculating on role mechanics and stuff, but I feel like the scumhunting has taken a back seat. Also, there's been almost nothing from Zipped/Zeemumu today.
Town / Lean:
kingkitty
Crab
backslashbunny
Spoiled Milk
...big gap
Ouro
...big gap
Fireblend
Poltergust
*Splinter
I'm taking KK to be telling the truth, which then vindicates Crab. I detailed earlier how I felt about Backslashbunny and Spoiled Milk. Fireblend/Poltergust/Splinter all fall into a clump of people who have asked a bunch of questions and have generally been vocal about their opinions. I personally didn't like some of Splinter's questions especially since they feel pretty certain I'm scum, but it's okay to be wrong occasionally.
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Neutral/Non-Scum Leaning:
Gorlak
Kawl_USC
Y'all know I'm onboard the thunderdomer is a neutral train, and if we take CCS to be scum role cop who is trying to buy some town cred, then he is. Kawl I feel has been such a void of posting information. Thinking back I can remember an occasional burst of posts from Kawl where they engaged in the discussion at the time, but never really brought anything fresh to the table.
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Scum:
CCS
...big gap
zeemumu
Kalor
Zippedpinhead
CCS is obvious. Zeemumu, Kalor, and Zippedpinhead I feel are in various stages of the coasting scum candidates. I can think of no major attempts at scum hunting from any of these people. They've been speculating on role mechanics and stuff, but I feel like the scumhunting has taken a back seat. Also, there's been almost nothing from Zipped/Zeemumu today.
It's finals week so I haven't done a lot on GAF outside of joke posts today. Anything that requires thought was put on the backburner.
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