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BREXIT MAFIA | Pro-Having Our Lynch And Pro-Eating It
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This is literally the situation Kawl proposed.
And I'm not saying it isn't possible, but it seems like a really weird win condition.
Nah mate, you've been tunneling me all game. If you don't like how I play that's fair enough, but I'm not changing my playstyle just to make you less antsy.
This is kinda a bad situation today, in that I wouldn't really want to vote for either of these people. Gorlak is a town read for me though, whereas Flame is more of a null.
VOTE: Flame_AC
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Do you guys see how defensive flame is being? Lol.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Splinter is clearly the thunderdomer. Look how salty he is about yesterday!
Going through the thread:
I didn't start this.
See yesterday, my reads still stand. He's my biggest scumread. He didn't contribute anything so far. D1 he made one hypocritical argument against voting nin for alluding to a PR, while having his vote on Spoiled Milk who alluded to have a PR. Everything else was empty talk. And don't forget about fucking around at day end and tieing the vote.
Yesterday was the same, he commented on nin and nothing else. Spent most of the time defending his end day behaviour and coasted seemingly relaxed to the nin lynch, while not contributing anything.
I didn't start this.
See yesterday, my reads still stand. He's my biggest scumread. He didn't contribute anything so far. D1 he made one hypocritical argument against voting nin for alluding to a PR, while having his vote on Spoiled Milk who alluded to have a PR. Everything else was empty talk. And don't forget about fucking around at day end and tieing the vote.
Yesterday was the same, he commented on nin and nothing else. Spent most of the time defending his end day behaviour and coasted seemingly relaxed to the nin lynch, while not contributing anything.
I agree you are in a worse situation because you are scummy as fuck and I personally would've voted you anyway today. But why am I a candidate as well? So far Fireblend stands out for being totally fine with this situation, but if he is responsible, he would've kept his mouth shut, I suppose.
And yes, we should roleclaim asap, everything else will prolong the decision for everyone.
At the moment I'm leaning towards this being a town power, yet a pretty nasty one. After seeing a fake cop gambit in recent gafia history I have an aversion towards people forcing everyone to go after their reads.
If Flame is a neutral, why would he thunderdome me and not someone dodgy like Ouro the supposed miller? And why would he do it today? Don't think that's a realistic scenario.
Scum Flame doing this now also seems like a bad move. So maybe the no kill night has something to do with it and it is indeed town vs. town? This is mere speculation and I emphasize to _not_ come forward if you have info concerning the missing kill (in that case the no kill is unrelated to this thunderdome and we would not gain anything from knowing this, it only helps scum)
I had initially assumed town - since that's how I saw the role before in Danganronpa - but I guess the neutral theory makes sense too.
I'm considering this being a scum power and I can't see it:
-Flame flips town: why waste such a powerful ability on someone who would be an easy lynch? It would need some strong restrictions for this to make sense (use by D3, must include one scum).
-Flame flips scum: obviously not
I think the targets are a bit weird for town, but not impossible as we've already failed to lynch Flame two days in a row.
As a neutral power I think it only makes sense if either Gorlak or Flame is the neutral, in which case they'd probably leave the game even if they survive the lynch*. Otherwise I'm struggling to see a win condition.
*In fact if this is the case then I don't know why they wouldn't just claim it, and Gorlak at least has already denied, not sure about Flame?
Okay, that's the second time you refer to a volcano, what are you up to? You were the neutral undying ghostbuster in Splinter's game, right?
uh, I like to use other creative phrases to describe lynching? throwing someone into a volcano is always a good one.
Flames been suspected for the past couple of days so that's probably why he was picked. Gorlak is where it gets unclear. He wasn't really under suspicion so it could just be whoever started this vote suspected them.
With that line of thought, you think gorlak was their pick as someone town would be least likely to lynch? I think he was closer to a consensus null versus a consensus town read.
Hmm, that's true as well.
I think Flame is extremely likely to be lynched from those two options, but yeah I still don't know why Gorlak would be picked second.
Poltergust
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Maybe a condition of some sort must be met before the "Thunderdome" can go into effect? Like, it has to be town vs. scum or something.
By the way, if this is a town/neutral play by one of the participants, then there's no way I can believe Flame_AC is the one responsible. He's way too unpopular right now to risk something like this. He'd be better off surviving up to a point where him getting pitted up against scum is more likely.
This makes me lean more towards the ability being used by a non-participant, because otherwise it's too obvious to link it to Gorlak. And as a result, this is most likely a town ability (the only way I can consider this being a neutral ability is that the neutral would bet on who lives or who dies).
By the way, if this is a town/neutral play by one of the participants, then there's no way I can believe Flame_AC is the one responsible. He's way too unpopular right now to risk something like this. He'd be better off surviving up to a point where him getting pitted up against scum is more likely.
This makes me lean more towards the ability being used by a non-participant, because otherwise it's too obvious to link it to Gorlak. And as a result, this is most likely a town ability (the only way I can consider this being a neutral ability is that the neutral would bet on who lives or who dies).
Considering my role pretty much confirms the existence of a cop, I doubt this is the case, since it would make the thunderdomer a pseudo-cop of sorts.
Poltergust
Member
It's entirely possible your role is a red herring. We need to keep an open mind here; we may be flying totally blind.
Also true. But I'm not going to entertain that possibility since there's no point.
Poltergust
Member
Well, until a cop reveals his/herself to us and gives us the info we want, we should operate on a worst-case scenario because a silent cop might as well be a nonexistent cop.
That said, whoever lives through today should absolutely be checked by the cop, at least if we lynch town.
(Note: This is not a call for the cop to reveal his/herself now!)
If you're town, you shouldn't be worried about this. Unless we get extremely lucky, we're going to lynch town along the way. The role flips when they die is one of the few ways we get concrete information.
What are the odds of this being a crapshoot and them both being town?
Just from a purely numbers standpoint, pretty high. But we don't know about who did the thunderdome and why they picked these two.
I don't think scum would have that sort of power (thunderdome against one of theirs). It was proposed as what Timeiasis' power in Arkham could be if he was scum, but it sounded ridiculous and in that game it was a 4-way thunderdome, so I'm very skeptical that this ability exists as anything but a town one. Time did announce what he'd do the day before, but he had a BP shot for that night.
Zippedpinhead
Member
vote: flame_AC
It might change but for now I want to put a vote down.
Backslashbunny, it's not really unprompted if it's a thunderdome. Gotta make a case for keeping yourself around, and sometimes if you legitimately have a role you can lord it over people.
It might change but for now I want to put a vote down.
Backslashbunny, it's not really unprompted if it's a thunderdome. Gotta make a case for keeping yourself around, and sometimes if you legitimately have a role you can lord it over people.
To be fair, I mentioned that I would/could roleclaim if people wanted earlier in the day.
Perhaps you've been playing some Tekken? That's what I thought of.
If I was gonna discuss the more prolific posters / people who have been discussed.
I feel relatively confident in saying that Ouro and Spoiled Milk are both town. Ouro for their contributions to the game so far and getting out ahead of their miller role was well played. Spoiled Milk feels like a player who got too close to being lynched on Day 1 and has kind of retreated into the background during Day 2/3. In spite of this, I find it incredibly unlikely that a scum member would have been 30 seconds away from a basic day 1 random lynch. Backslashbunny also gives me a strong town vibe, if only because of some of the way their posts/reasoning don't seem influenced by any sort of outside party.
Top scum: CCS.
In thinking of some more possibilities for the thunderdomer since it is neither Gorlak/myself. If we continue with the idea that the role is a neutral win condition, what if they not only create the dome but then have to gamble/choose who they think will be lynched and then if they are right they win?
You probably shouldn't town read me. I didn't do much well on the first two days, excepting an attempt to prevent a tie on D1, and anything I say today is under the guise of self-preservation against Gorlak, so... not much I can do about that.
I'd almost ask if we want to no lynch again and drag this game out, but I know that looks bad too. Of course losing a vanilla townie in Gorlak/me prob won't impact y'all too much.
I don't see the point in scum having this sort of power if they're both town unless both of them are onto something and they're trying to get us to silence one of them.
Or if it's a town role power of a person who was given one scum and one town at random and is hoping that we make the right decision, but won't role claim because that paints a massive target on their head.
No way it's the last option, cause then if the town person is lynched everyone gets the other person following the thunderdomer's claim.
Poltergust
Member
There is no way this is true. Assuming they have only one chance to activate this power, they would've already come out and explained what's at stake here. Sacrificing themselves, or at least exposing themselves to danger, is worth it to expose one scum in a binary decision (and, by proxy, one townie).
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I can't stand thunderdomes. Hate them. They're an incredibly strong anti-town power, because they restrict the topic of conversation to two people for an entire day. Even if I wanted to talk about CCS or Milk or whatever, I can't do it now. It's almost against the spirit of the game. I have to pick between two people.
I think cabot also thinks like this. Not to second-guess the moderator too much, but I think there's more to this power than meets the eye. I don't think it would be a straight thunderdome. However, I can't see it being a scum role - being able to restrict a lynch to two players with no conditions is as powerful as having one extra scum member (since it guarantees you an extra day of no-scum death).
So options: neutral ability (but what is the win condition?). Scum, but with conditions (e.g., one of the two has to be scum, but this would be an odd time to use it). Town, but with benefits (one guaranteed scum?). Gives some ideas to toy around with.
VOTE: Gorlak, for the time being at least. That early claim was not necessary and I'm unsure that I trust it. It forced Flame's hand in a respect I don't think needed to be done yet.
I think cabot also thinks like this. Not to second-guess the moderator too much, but I think there's more to this power than meets the eye. I don't think it would be a straight thunderdome. However, I can't see it being a scum role - being able to restrict a lynch to two players with no conditions is as powerful as having one extra scum member (since it guarantees you an extra day of no-scum death).
So options: neutral ability (but what is the win condition?). Scum, but with conditions (e.g., one of the two has to be scum, but this would be an odd time to use it). Town, but with benefits (one guaranteed scum?). Gives some ideas to toy around with.
VOTE: Gorlak, for the time being at least. That early claim was not necessary and I'm unsure that I trust it. It forced Flame's hand in a respect I don't think needed to be done yet.
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Spoiled Milk
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I don't like Crab's post at all. Screams deflection.
Poltergust
Member
I thought something similar. It's a lot of mechanics talk (I'm aware I did too, but I was responding to a direct question from Kawl).
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