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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Goldfishking said:
Paxman did a program on brexit that's on BBC iplayer. He went to spain and interviewed UK expats. They were for leaving the EU.
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That Paxman program was embarrassingly rubbish. Had all the intellectual weight of CBBC.
 
phisheep

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CyclopsRock said:
I think you're 100% correct there. And you're right that it's about how the EU is used. But it is, nonetheless, a enabler in that capacity. Again, I think it's mostly a theoretical problem but I think they're important things to think about when the issue of ceding sovereignty comes up.
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I'd like there to be an additional Commissioner. The Commissioner of Not Doing Things, whose job it is to make sure that things do not get done that shouldn't get done. He would be required to report to the public on things that he has stopped the EU from doing.

Similarly, we should have a Minister for Stopping Stuff. Nick Clegg got partway there while he was Deputy PM, and it was rather refreshing have those differences of opinion aired in public rather than traded for patronage as is more usual.
 
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phisheep said:
I'd like there to be an additional Commissioner. The Commissioner of Not Doing Things, whose job it is to make sure that things do not get done that shouldn't get done. He would be required to report to the public on things that he has stopped the EU from doing.
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The EU already doesn't do anything, though. basically half the budget is CAP and another quarter is infrastructure money for eastern europe. Most of the EU stuff that actually affects the UK is just standardization, and I don't really see what a Commissioner of Not Doing Things is supposed to make Not Do. I think the biggest misconception about the EU in the first place is that it does stuff.
 
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Crab said:
The EU already doesn't do anything, though. basically half the budget is CAP and another quarter is infrastructure money for eastern europe. Most of the EU stuff that actually affects the UK is just standardization, and I don't really see what a Commissioner of Not Doing Things is supposed to make Not Do. I think the biggest misconception about the EU in the first place is that it does stuff.
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Sounds like we should leave!
 
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Seems like everyone is getting a little bit tired of all the utter horse shit both remain and leave are posting :-

telegraph said:
The EU referendum debate has become a “mountain of exaggeration”, a cross-party group of MPs have warned as they demanded controversial claims from both sides are dropped.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...exaggerated-claims-mps-tell-eu-referendum-ca/

Naturally neither side is going to drop the moronic statements because there is too much at stake. So both sides will carry on lying because it's ok to lie to get your way.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Sounds like we should leave!
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Honestly, I don't think it would have *that* much impact. I mean, the EU would still want to trade with us, and to do that we'd still be obeying EU trade regulations and contributing some upkeep like other participants who are not EU members. I do get quite puzzled about the weight of opinion people hold over the EU. We are probably slightly worse off if we leave, but at the end of the day, it's just such a nothing thing to be having an argument about. Nobody is proposing a referendum on the GATT, I struggle to see how people can muster so much fury for the EU.
 
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Chinner said:
So we leaving EU??
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No, it means the betting companies think there's very little chance we leave, hence the bad odds.

1/6 means, if you bet correctly, you get a profit of 1/6th your bet. So a bet of £10 would get you £1.67 + your original bet back.

Whereas the odds for leaving are much larger, between 3/1 and 4/1 last I looked, meaning you'd get 3 or 4 times the amount of money back
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist

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Goldfishking said:
Paxman did a program on brexit that's on BBC iplayer. He went to spain and interviewed UK expats. They were for leaving the EU.
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Having met some Costa Del Sol Brits, and heard some of their "political views", I'm not surprised by this, although this may have been an unrepresentative group.

I think to some of them, the use of the word "expat" implies some sort of special class of immigrant, where the normal rules don't apply. They probably believe that Spain will still open the doors to further hundreds of thousands of British septuagenarians if we left, for nothing in return.
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
Having met some Costa Del Sol Brits, and heard some of their "political views", I'm not surprised by this, although this may have been an unrepresentative group.

I think to some of them, the use of the word "expat" implies some sort of special class of immigrant, where the normal rules don't apply. They probably believe that Spain will still open the doors to further hundreds of thousands of British septuagenarians if we left, for nothing in return.
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Yea, it's not dirty immigration if you expatriate... :rolleyes:
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
Having met some Costa Del Sol Brits, and heard some of their "political views", I'm not surprised by this, although this may have been an unrepresentative group.

I think to some of them, the use of the word "expat" implies some sort of special class of immigrant, where the normal rules don't apply. They probably believe that Spain will still open the doors to further hundreds of thousands of British septuagenarians if we left, for nothing in return.
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Spain generally get a fairly good deal out of British retirees, though. They cost the country barely anything, they help keep a little more wind in an otherwise thoroughly deflated property market and they spend a lot of money locally in restaurants and bars and what not. As far as impacts on the "host" country goes, the pros and cons of old retirees and young economic migrants are totally different to each other.
 
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CyclopsRock said:
Spain generally get a fairly good deal out of British retirees, though. They cost the country barely anything, they help keep a little more wind in an otherwise thoroughly deflated property market and they spend a lot of money locally in restaurants and bars and what not. As far as impacts on the "host" country goes, the pros and cons of old retirees and young economic migrants are totally different to each other.
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They don't cost much because as per the EU rules Spain charges the UK for their healthcare costs. I very much doubt Spain will tolerate them if they have to foot the bill; old people are expensive.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Caught an absolutely shocking soundbite on BBC News about some twunt assuring house prices would go down and help young buyers if we left the EU. Expected him to pull out a Disco Stu chart. No doubt due to Osborne (the most trustworthy prophet of our time) mouthing off last week about it, so now the spin is that house prices dropping suddenly would be good. Just... fucking hell. Like all of this is assured.

Shame on the BBC for even broadcasting it though. Would rather there was a referendum on tearing that institution down than the EU at this point if theyre just gonna shoot shit onto the airwaves and not care about the consequences.
 
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Pie and Beans said:
Shame on the BBC for even broadcasting it though. Would rather there was a referendum on tearing that institution down than the EU at this point if theyre just gonna shoot shit onto the airwaves and not care about the consequences.
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Roughly the same net saving too. One EU is about one and a half BBCs.
 
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Pie and Beans said:
Caught an absolutely shocking soundbite on BBC News about some twunt assuring house prices would go down and help young buyers if we left the EU. Expected him to pull out a Disco Stu chart. No doubt due to Osborne (the most trustworthy prophet of our time) mouthing off last week about it, so now the spin is that house prices dropping suddenly would be good. Just... fucking hell. Like all of this is assured.

Shame on the BBC for even broadcasting it though. Would rather there was a referendum on tearing that institution down than the EU at this point if theyre just gonna shoot shit onto the airwaves and not care about the consequences.
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I don't understand. Should they not have broadcast it when the remain people said the exact same thing? Then do we tear down all the other TV and news orgnaizations for the same thing?
 
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CyclopsRock

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Crab said:
They don't cost much because as per the EU rules Spain charges the UK for their healthcare costs. I very much doubt Spain will tolerate them if they have to foot the bill; old people are expensive.
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I'm pulling this out of my arse, but my experience with those guys is that they all want to to come back to the UK for most healthcare issues anyway. Tapas, yes. Red Wine, certainly. But healthcare? I won't trust the Spanish with my varicose veins!
 
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Phantast2k

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Someone Is Putting Up "Halt Ze German Advance" Anti-EU Billboards - BuzzFeed News


Nooo, they're on to us, *climbs out of the Panzer*
 
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I am so fucking bored of Brexit at this point. It's very unlikely Leave wins, the Leave nutters have been given far too much media exposure at this point, all the arguments are the same ones people have been making since 1992, there's absolutely no room for discussion of other issues like austerity or the NHS or whatever while the EU referendum hogs the headlines, and the issue is just so tangential to all the things we ought to be caring about. Can't we just ritually sacrifice Cameron on the grounds of Thatcher's grave and call the whole thing off?
 
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Dambrosi

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Ah, but then there's the aftermath of the (hopefully inevitable) massive Remain win to look forward to - the imminent collapse of the Conservative Party, and the coming purge of eurosceptic MPs er, "reshuffle" of the government (and maybe opposition) front benches. Those will both be fun to watch :p
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist said:
Having met some Costa Del Sol Brits, and heard some of their "political views", I'm not surprised by this, although this may have been an unrepresentative group.

I think to some of them, the use of the word "expat" implies some sort of special class of immigrant, where the normal rules don't apply. They probably believe that Spain will still open the doors to further hundreds of thousands of British septuagenarians if we left, for nothing in return.
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When it comes to immigration it doesn't get better than loaded old dudes and dudettes spending their life savings and getting their health care paid for by their country of origin.

Give me millions of them.
 
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Chocolate & Vanilla

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sammex said:
Mine came yesterday.

Meanwhile...

Nine out of 10 of the country’s top economists working across academia, the City, industry, small businesses and the public sector believe the British economy will be harmed by Brexit, according to the biggest survey of its kind ever conducted.
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What do these "Economists" know about the economy?

Hundreds of millions of immigrant Economists coming in to OUR country every single day taking jobs from hard working, obviously better qualified British Economists. Spouting their EU subsidised lies to the public. Should keep their noses out of things that don't concern them.

Probably have something against Britain because they are descended from Africans or something as well and can't appreciate everything we did for them when we colonised their "Countries".
 
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This is probably worth of an own thread:
Britain is the most corrupt country in the world, claims mafia expert Roberto Saviano | The Independent

Mr Saviano, who wrote the best-selling exposés Gomorrah and ZeroZeroZero, made the comments at the Hay Literary Festival. The 36-year-old has been living under police protection since publishing revelations about members of the Camorra, a powerful Neapolitan branch of the mafia, in 2006.

He told an audience at Hay-on-Wye: “If I asked you what is the most corrupt place on Earth you might tell me well it’s Afghanistan, maybe Greece, Nigeria, the South of Italy and I will tell you it’s the UK.

“It’s not the bureaucracy, it’s not the police, it’s not the politics but what is corrupt is the financial capital. 90 per cent of the owners of capital in London have their headquarters offshore.

“Jersey and the Cayman’s are the access gates to criminal capital in Europe and the UK is the country that allows it. That is why it is important why it is so crucial for me to be here today and to talk to you because I want to tell you , this is about you, this is about your life, this is about your government.”

“It’s not the bureaucracy, it’s not the police, it’s not the politics but what is corrupt is the financial capital. 90 per cent of the owners of capital in London have their headquarters offshore.

“Jersey and the Cayman’s are the access gates to criminal capital in Europe and the UK is the country that allows it. That is why it is important why it is so crucial for me to be here today and to talk to you because I want to tell you , this is about you, this is about your life, this is about your government.”

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Mr Saviano also weighed in on the EU referendum debate, arguing a vote to leave would make the UK even more exposed to the organised crime.

He said: “Leaving the EU means allowing this to take place. It means allowing the Qatari societies, the Mexican cartels, the Russian Mafia to gain even more power and HSBC has paid £2 billion Euros in fines to the US government, because it confessed that it had laundered money coming from the cartels and the Iranian companies. We have proof, we have evidence.”
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/also this:
Brexit 'could mean border controls between Ireland and the North' | Irish Examiner
 
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Dambrosi

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phisheep said:
It's a rather sad indictment of the state of UK politics and media, and the nature of modern campaigning, that the best detailed summary of the cases for Leave and Remain is published by Wetherspoons the pub chain.
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Sad...yet somehow oddly fitting.

That thing about corruption in the City of London is frightening and also, sadly, totally believable. I wonder how much politicians of all stripes have skimmed off the top for looking the other way all these years.
 
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Souldriver

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Wait so all of you seem to think leave will lose the vote..? I must not have been follow-on closely, because I thought the polls had tightened over time, with leave having the momentum.
 
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Souldriver said:
Wait so all of you seem to think leave will lose the vote..? I must not have been follow-on closely, because I thought the polls had tightened over time, with leave having the momentum.
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Nope. Remain has been growing. Every time they seem like they might get some momentum, the loonies start shouting at everyone including each other.

Polls are favouring remain, especially phone ones and they don't even include Northern Ireland or expats yet. Betting odds on remain winning have been totally slashed.
 
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Beefy

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Hasney said:
Nope. Remain has been growing. Every time they seem like they might get some momentum, the loonies start shouting at everyone including each other.

Polls are favouring remain, especially phone ones and they don't even include Northern Ireland or expats yet. Betting odds on remain winning have been totally slashed.
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I think it all depends on the younger people. If many cant be arsed to vote then I can see it being close.
 
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