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[milanbaros]

Around 16% of pupils in England did not get into their first choice of secondary school this year, according to figures out today.

In a Vote Leave press statement the employment minister Priti Patel says:

The shortage of school places - with one in six children in England missing out on a place at their top choice of secondary school - is yet another example of how uncontrolled migration is putting unsustainable pressures on our public services. Education is one of the most important things that government delivers, and it’s deeply regrettable that so many families and young people have been let down in this way.

Why can't people support investment in schools/road/rail/health care?

Today is literally the cheapest time in history for the UK to borrow money and invest but the government choose not to.

The interest rate on a 10 year loan is <2%. Does the government seriously believe it can't invest with a IRR than that?

 

[WinterX]

Your issue is that your tax is too high right? Reason your tax is too high is because your government is unable to collect it elsewhere. Big corporations paying no tax/less than you are, is a real concern you should have. Because the amount of money that disappears as a result, is money your government has to tax you instead.

Corporations create jobs? The same corporations that give those jobs to foreign labourers?
Infrastructure, education, and government regulation creates and sustains jobs. If it weren't for your government, corporations would ship in cheaper workers from eastern asia to do the work you do.

Taxes are getting higher because of new kind of benefits or too many benefactors. It's all socialism. It's all simple.

Start your own company and we'll see if it's really so easy to remain on the market.
When you have to give your employers plenty of privileges.

That's why I would choose the US. Individualism is good for society.

 

[le-seb]

None that explains that scenario they proposed, if the EU are tough on the UK, to disuade other countries the UK will not remain relative the same It will be fucked over pretty hard. The scenario comes off very unlikely that both will be reasonably fine in case of a brexit, with Britain standing the most to lose.

They're only focusing on what would happen to the EU, here.
Simply expecting both sides to be hurt by the UK leaving, but for losses being (almost) compensated by gains on the EU side.

What will happen in the UK next is out of their scope, and they certainly don't say that the UK will come out reasonably fine.

 

[Tak3n]

Why can't people support investment in schools/road/rail/health care?

Today is literally the cheapest time in history for the UK to borrow money and invest but the government choose not to.

The interest rate on a 10 year loan is <2%. Does the government seriously believe it can't invest with a IRR than that?

Because when I went through the same thing with my son, the appeals panel told me in no uncertain terms... The local authority look at total school places, not can everyone have their first choice...as long as everyone gets a school place that is all they care about

 

[avaya]

Taxes are getting higher because of new kind of benefits or too many benefactors. It's all socialism. It's all simple.

Start your own company and we'll see if it's really so easy to remain on the market.
When you have to give your employers plenty of privileges.

That's why I would choose the US. Individualism is good for society.

AN ECONOMY IS NOT A BUSINESS. ECONOMICS 101. JESUS H. CHRIST.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Guy on ITV news is saying his sources are indicating that the postal vote so far is leaning heavily in favour of leave. He did say he wasn't sure how his sources knew this though. So apparently we can expect the remain side to ramp up the bullshit for the final week.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Taxes are getting higher because of new kind of benefits or too many benefactors. It's all socialism. It's all simple.

Start your own company and we'll see if it's really so easy to remain on the market.
When you have to give your employers plenty of privileges.

That's why I would choose the US. Individualism is good for society.

What a joke.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Why can't people support investment in schools/road/rail/health care?

Today is literally the cheapest time in history for the UK to borrow money and invest but the government choose not to.

The interest rate on a 10 year loan is <2%. Does the government seriously believe it can't invest with a IRR than that?

Because the government has persuaded a lot of people that government debt is like mortgage or credit card debt and you should only spend what you can afford.

So borrowing for investment, while making a lot of sense, would mean they'd have to explain why they lied about how government debts really works and it'll be a cold day in hell before that ever happens.

 

[Tak3n]

Guy on ITV news is saying his sources are indicating that the postal vote so far is leaning heavily in favour of leave. He did say he wasn't sure how his sources knew this though. So apparently we can expect the remain side to ramp up the bullshit for the final week.

That does not sound right...I would of thought ex pats etc would of been overwhelmingly remain.

 

[Beefy]

No, that's true, especially for in work benefits. God help us if everyone claimed what they were entitled to (apparently I could have claimed for about 6 years when I set up my business and was earning next to nothing, didn't though).

I was on benefits for 6yrs due to mental health issues. I claimed the bare minimum because I felt I would be judged by people thinking people on benefits are scum. Sure I could walk and talk normally. But that doesn't mean I am able to work. I work now but still suffer from issues. But at least now I am not on benefits getting only £2k a year.

 

[milanbaros]

Taxes are getting higher because of new kind of benefits or too many benefactors. It's all socialism. It's all simple.

Start your own company and we'll see if it's really so easy to remain on the market.
When you have to give your employers plenty of privileges.

That's why I would choose the US. Individualism is good for society.

This is such a clear demonstration of the lack of basic economic understanding so prevalent in this country which has led to things like 'household budget = public budget".

 

[Kotetsu534]

Postal vote skews older (especially people who have carers or would have difficulty getting to the polling station), and obviously older people skew towards leave more than the average.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

That does not sound right...I would of thought ex pats etc would of been overwhelmingly remain.

From what I have seen Ex-pats are in favour of leaving !!! yeah I can't quite get my head around that either and I am voting to leave. I can only put it down to the Great British brain frying in the heat.

 

[avaya]

That does not sound right...I would of thought ex pats etc would of been overwhelmingly remain.

Look at the racial and social makeup of the majority of expats.

 

[Psychotext]

From what I have seen Ex-pats are in favour of leaving !!! yeah I can't quite get my head around that either and I am voting to leave. I can only put it down to the Great British brain frying in the heat.

You're right. I know someone who just bought a house in Spain... voted leave on a postal ballot.

He doesn't see the irony, mostly because he's got money, so he's different somehow (the real irony is that the community he's moving to DEFINITELY isn't integrated).

 

[Jackpot]

Please vote 'leave'. It's not only about UK but the whole EU in its current state.

History repeats itself. Learner about the Roman Empire? Back then they were much more slaves than the Romans. Look what happened later Osman Turks captured Constantinople. They tried to colonize Europe in 1683 by fighting their way through Austria.

The problem lies within socialism. Donation here, donation there. Some silly production limits for milk and many other things. This is almost like communism.

During feudalism slave had to pay 10% tax, but his master had to take good care of him and his family. He provided home to him and food.

Chinese people laugh at Europeans that we don't want to work and rely too much on benefits - it's TRUE. But the problem is socialism and too many taxes.

EU currently is all about bureaucracy and stuff like LGBT, etc. All people are equal and we don't need some EU to tell us what to think.

Yeah, let's blame it on corporations. Not that they create jobs.

It's all socialism. It's all simple.

This guy's vote is equal to my own.

 

[avaya]

This guy's vote is equal to my own.

He's Dutch?

 

[Ravensmash]

I'm beginning to think we're going to vote leave.



Pound is falling, the FTSE is crashing but the majority won't even look into it.

 

[Tak3n]

Just on the news that 70 billion has been wiped off in a week on the ftse...how on earth our businesses not losing the plot with Cameron over this

 

[Madchad]

I'm beginning to think we're going to vote leave.



Pound is falling, the FTSE is crashing but the majority won't even look into it.

To be fair its the entire world thats falling back on its self because China is in a shit state and the Eurozone is not exactly doing great either. That coupled i with a possible brexit ofc investors are going turn tail until stuff calms down somewhat.

 

[milanbaros]

Just on the news that 70 billion has been wiped off in a week on the ftse...how on earth our businesses not losing the plot with Cameron over this

They are. I expect him to be under insane pressure right now. Probably more than he ever felt during the Scotland referendum.

The pressure David Cameron is under tonight would break a lot of politicians.

His entire life legacy will be decided in 9 days. If you could grasp how stressful that would be then you'd know he is feeling it.

 

[Uzzy]

Osborne's preparing his special post Brexit punishment budget already. He'll be announcing it along with Alistair Darling tomorrow.

The pair will publish an “illustrative budget scorecard” comprising a long list of the sort of measures they say may have to be implemented including:

• £15bn of tax rises, comprising a 2p rise in the basic rate of income tax to 22%, a 3p rise in the higher rate to 43% plus a 5% rise in the inheritance tax rate to 45p
• An increase in alcohol and petrol duties by 5%
• Spending cuts worth £15bn, including a 2% reduction for health, defence and education, equivalent to £2.5bn, £1.2bn, £1.15bn a year respectively
• Larger cuts of 5% from policing, transport and local government budgets

 

[avaya]

Just on the news that 70 billion has been wiped off in a week on the ftse...how on earth our businesses not losing the plot with Cameron over this

The market is still pricing in a remain. But it's starting to come off big time.

I am not joking that conditions are approaching pre-Lehman 2008 levels.

 

[Tak3n]

Osborne's preparing his special post Brexit punishment budget already. He'll be announcing it along with Alistair Darling tomorrow.

I am surprised he is allowed to do that....as to me that is pure blackmail, and I also think he is bare faced lying

 

[Madchad]

Osborne's preparing his special post Brexit punishment budget already. He'll be announcing it along with Alistair Darling tomorrow.

Have they not learned already my god. Things they MAY have to implement.

What also cracks me up is how the Cons got elected on a pledge to bring immigration down to the tens of thousands, yet if immigration does come down to those levels now its the end of the world because they put more in than they get out.

 

[WinterX]

This guy's vote is equal to my own.

Good for you that I'm a foreigner.

 

[Mr Cola]

Given the position of power he is in that seems incredibly underhanded, since he can literally make up whatever he wants and not be held accountable.

 

[Tak3n]

Given the position of power he is in that seems incredibly underhanded, since he can literally make up whatever he wants and not be held accountable.

It has already been said in the article he can not get it past the house. And his position would be untenable if he tried.... It is pure scare tactics

 

[Beefy]

Osborne is more annoying then Cameron.

 

[Madchad]

Osborne is more annoying then Cameron.

If a snap general election is called i am legit going to vote monster raving loony party. Its all we ever end up with anyway so might as well make it official.

 

[Milton]

Osborne's preparing his special post Brexit punishment budget already. He'll be announcing it along with Alistair Darling tomorrow.

More scare-mongering bollocks. "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".

I'm actually disappointed to see Alistair Darling colluding with him, I thought he was better than that.

 

[Best]

Given the position of power he is in that seems incredibly underhanded, since he can literally make up whatever he wants and not be held accountable.

Sounds like the Leave campaign

 

[ferrasvansen]

More scare-mongering bollocks. "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it".

I'm actually disappointed to see Alistair Darling colluding with him, I thought he was better than that.

I take it you have noticed the effects on the stock market etc, now magnify that many times over next Friday and you have major problems. The majority of leavers actually accept this according to polls and reckon it's worth the price. In the end what will be will be and if cuts need to be made we just have to adapt, sure in ten years it will likely be fine, but what happens in the meantime.

 

[avaya]

I take it you have noticed the effects on the stock market etc, now magnify that many times over next Friday and you have major problems. The majority of leavers actually accept this according to polls and reckon it's worth the price. In the end what will be will be and if cuts need to be made we just have to adapt, sure in ten years it will likely be fine, but what happens in the meantime.

Didn't you get the memo? The stock market is meaningless. It's not like it reflects the future prospects of businesses today. No sir. It's a nothing.

 

[Psychotext]

One thing that's absolutely certain is that the conservatives will use Brexit as further cause to gut more public services (what few we have left).... and amusingly (if you have a sick sense of humour) it'll feel even worse for the less privileged as all the social and charitable projects currently funded by the EU will likely have to shut down.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

What if Livingstone comes out as pro-brexit, would that help remain? Quick, someone convince him!

Haha, that's a great idea. I don't think Remain has strategists of your calibre though unfortunately.

Edit:

I am surprised he is allowed to do that....as to me that is pure blackmail, and I also think he is bare faced lying

Yeah, I thought this was the "Purdah period"?

 

[ferrasvansen]

Didn't you get the memo? The stock market is meaningless. It's not like it reflects the future prospects of businesses today. No sir. It's a nothing.

Missed the sarcasm, doh.
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[Ragnar Blackmane]

Guess it's time to start buying some popcorn and enjoy the British stock market and economy crash and the general fallout when the UK votes to leave ^^.
At least it'll hopefully help the rest of the EU to get their shit together and should definitely give some serious upwind for Scottish Independence.

If you have any chance to get an EU passport it's probably a good idea to apply for it now just to be on the safe side.

 

[Best]

This just seems too much of a bad idea to let them do it. Too much money at stake surely.

 

[Madchad]

Guess it's time to start buying some popcorn and enjoy the British stock market and economy crash and the general fallout when the UK votes to leave ^^.

If you have any chance to get an EU passport it's probably a good idea to apply for it now just to be on the safe side.

My old man is sorting out an Irish passport asked me if i wanted to get one. Not sure how that system works for me but i know his old man came over from Ireland.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Guess it's time to start buying some popcorn and enjoy the British stock market and economy crash and the general fallout when the UK votes to leave ^^.

I stocked up a while ago, it's more the uncertainty, the long winded negotiations, the fact that after leaving the EU, we end up making deals way worse. This will take 10 years or maybe more to get sorted, there is no quick fix.

 

[le-seb]

It's not just the stock exchange hence the etc I wrote afterwards, it's the whole financial system, money leaving the UK, currency falling everywhere and general fear, you can just keep burying your head in the sand and pretend none of this matters if you wish, that's your choice, but I'm worried and I don't need assholes like Osborne etc to point out the possible repercussions, so carry on and when the shit hits the fan, I'm sure you will realise it was worth it.
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I'm pretty sure avaya's answer was sarcastic.

 

[ferrasvansen]

I'm pretty sure avaya's answer was sarcastic.

I guess that's what I get for staying up all night after e3 press conferences, tiredness is never a great way to be when discussing politics.

 

[Milton]

I take it you have noticed the effects on the stock market etc, now magnify that many times over next Friday and you have major problems. The majority of leavers actually accept this according to polls and reckon it's worth the price. In the end what will be will be and if cuts need to be made we just have to adapt, sure in ten years it will likely be fine, but what happens in the meantime.

I'm sure there'll be a short term reaction. But Osborne is pulling figures out of his arse.

 

[KingSnake]

Guess it's time to start buying some popcorn and enjoy the British stock market and economy crash and the general fallout when the UK votes to leave ^^.
At least it'll hopefully help the rest of the EU to get their shit together and should definitely give some serious upwind for Scottish Independence

I hope the rest of EU will indeed react wisely to this and we'll not face some chain reaction. If the reaction is proper I see it as an opportunity to strengthen the union.

 

[BadHand]

If Brexit win, does Osborne believe he'll be the one writing the next budget?

 

[PJV3]

If Brexit win, does Osborne believe he'll be the one writing the next budget?

I think mentioning Cameron's presidency of the EU is tempting fate rather.

 

[Beefy]

I hope the rest of EU will indeed react wisely to this and we'll not face some chain reaction. If the reaction is proper I see it as an opportunity to strengthen the union.

I can see Holland voting next.

 

[Maztorre]

I'm sure there'll be a short term reaction. But Osborne is pulling figures out of his arse.

Both sides of the Tory party are pulling figures out of their arse. That's because our economic situation has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with their policies, which is what they cannot publicly admit. This is why Cameron/Osborne's platform is so crap, they have run an austerity platform for years and used the EU as a convenient scapegoat or smokescreen (as the right wing have done for decades in the UK), but now have to defend their shit economy without that scapegoat. Meanwhile Boris fucking Johnson talks about wanting to save the NHS from immigrants while he and his party have brought the service to ruin with the intent of privatising it.

I'm voting remain because

a) I live near the Irish border, where there will be very real consequences of Brexit that some racist little Englander in a town with <1% immigrant population will never have to face. But that's ok, Nigel Farage said on live TV that "we'll need to keep an eye on it", which is an extremely reassuring policy for everyone here whose way of life heavily relies on the open border.

b) I am being forced to choose between living with an emboldened far-right government (Brexit) or a limping neoliberal right government (Remain) for 4 more years

This referendum should never have happened. The average voter has no fucking clue what they're talking about and cannot make an informed decision on this issue.

 

[KingSnake]

I can see Holland voting next.

UK still has an economy that can stand on its own pretty well, but Dutch economy is totally dependent on free trade and freedom of movement across EU. But who knows, general well being doesn't seem to be a good enough incentive in the face of "fuck the immigrants".