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[avaya]

Dogwhistles work. The blowback here is analogous to the blowback of the Southern Strategy now wreaking havoc on the GOP in the States.

A confederacy of the Economic elites with the social underclass, managing to convince large enough numbers to vote against their own economic interests by singling out a bogeyman of welfare cheats or singling out the otherness of the "other". The story is as old as time.

Eventually this pact breaks down because these voters have voted against their own economic interest and begin to double down on their hatred of the other and no longer care about the stark economic warnings.

We may pride ourselves that our politics aren't as fucked up as those in the States but I'd argue otherwise. American racism and identity politics is transparent to all. It's painted over by a thin veneer of a British accent in this country.

Unlike the Yanks, who we do not have a minority block of 28-30% to save us from ourselves.

I said to my wife last night, who is a 'in' voter...if over the next 10 years we get 250k immigration per year, that is 2.5 million people to try to deal with...

Where does the money come from to get the infrastructure to deal with that? if the Government suddenly say tax is now 40% basic to deal with the money that will be needed would you still vote in

her answer....nope

having concerns over mass immigration is not xenophobic, I never understood why it is claimed as such.... I can not think of one country that could cope with such a explosion in population, let alone a small one like here

So the people coming into this country....they are all deadwight welfare loss? They contribute nothing? We must "fund with tax increases'?

Do you realise one of the major reasons why the United States has significantly outperformed other developed economies since 2008? It is Immigration.

Oh we don't have enough space? Do you know why the racially most homogenous country in the world (Japan) is structurally fucked long term? No immigration.

Being anti-immigration is NOT xenophobic, that in itself is true. However the real reason people are anti-immigration because they do not want to see their communities change beyond recognition. People don't like change. That is the real reason. Some of it is xenophobic but it is a very human reaction to their surroundings changing beyond recognition. Populist politicians have used this very normal human reaction in a way to achieve temporary political success. The blowback from that decision is there for all of us to see, the world is bulk thick with the results.

 

[Principate]

I am not referring to benefits, jobs or anything like that, I am simply saying, where do you put all these people?

if we want to have a country that works (and not just lower it the lowest common value) they all live 10 to a house why can't you etc...it is clear to me the Government has no inclination to actually build more hospitals, schools, doctors, prisons all of the infrastructure that will be needed

The fact the government is unwilling to build infastructure is the governments problem rather than an instrinsc flaw with the EU. Giving the government more power over such things won't solve that problem. The only other way is to reduce the number of people living there.

The thing is Immigration isn't a one way street There's hundreds of thousands if not much more of British national currently living in the EU. What do you think is going to happen when their British passports no longer allow them the right in live these countries. As likely as the nationals from the EU countries will try to leave the UK, british nationals will attemt to come back. For the near future nothing will really change. In fact things will have gotten worse.

 

[Tak3n]

I reckon Gordon Brown is blind to the polish contingent here after all only 20,000 were coming (remember that cracker!) Gordon Brown today claimed that Illegal immigration is the biggest problem! and that half a million Irish are here in the UK as the most immigrants


he was quickly corrected....only 330,000 Irish and 853,000 Polish are here...

honestly the guy is a fucking joke

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Is the problem that EU immigrants are welfare cheats.
Or is the problem that EU immigrants are taking all the jobs.
Which one is it?

 

[Mr Cola]

I must admit I am curious to what lengths both sides will go to if this remains super close, especially remain who seem to have the more political clout and business backing on their side. I wonder how dirty this is going to get.

 

[Tak3n]

The fact the government is unwilling to build infastructure is the governments problem rather than an instrinsc flaw with the EU. Giving the government more power over such things won't solve that problem. The only other way is to reduce the number of people living there.

The thing is Immigration isn't a one way street There's hundreds of thousands if not much more of British national currently living in the EU. What do you think is going to happen when their British passports no longer allow them the right in live these countries. As likely as the nationals from the EU countries will try to leave the UK, british nationals will attemt to come back. For the near future nothing will really change. In fact things will have gotten worse.

I don't disagree with any of your points, I have no problem with anyone coming, going etc...all I ever want is for the current Government to accept that they are actually going to have to build shit if they want to have this super multi cultural society... the problem is I simply don't trust any of them to do it

 

[Polari]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-labour-heartland-backing-brexit-south-wales

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...abour-tells-core-voters-but-no-ones-listening

In the midst of all it's bullshit, the guardian buried it's most reflective articles.

Millions (and seemingly the swing voters) don't give a shit about threats of economic calamity and shit future prospects... Because they're already living it. They've been ignored, insulted and spoken down to by state and media for nearly 20 years now.

This isn't just about the EU, this a perfect storm of anger forming from decades of mismanagement and fuck ups. Whichever result, status quo simply cannot continue.

Pretty much. That video John Harris did encapsulates it well. There are huge communities of people who Government policies have left behind. The US is seeing the same thing.

 

[danowat]

I don't disagree with any of your points, I have no problem with anyone coming, going etc...all I ever want is for the current Government to accept that they are actually going to have to build shit if they want to have this super multi cultural society... the problem is I simply don't trust any of them to do it

They are 'building shit' planning rules have been relaxed and literally tons of houses are being built in my county.
Obviously without the proper infrastructure of doctors, schools and transport links though.

 

[Tak3n]

Is the problem that EU immigrants are welfare cheats.
Or is the problem that EU immigrants are taking all the jobs.
Which one is it?

The welfare has always been a red herring (you can safely ignore that) The jobs one is not as easy as yes or no, one can not deny that immigration has caused a issue with low skilled to semi skilled jobs wage suppression, so may see that as good or bad...each to their own

But I honestly feel that unless you get a skill that can raise you out of the 'mass' you will now be on min wage probably for life... I know that sounds sensationalist but the reality is there are far more workers than there are jobs at that end of the sector

 

[Tak3n]

They are 'building shit' planning rules have been relaxed and literally tons of houses are being built in my county.
Obviously without the proper infrastructure of doctors, schools and transport links though.

exactly...squeeze all the people you want in but unless you build the infrastructure to cope, the angst of people will never go away

 

[danowat]

exactly...squeeze all the people you want in but unless you build the infrastructure to cope, the angst of people will never go away

It's all the building companies wanting to make a quick buck before it dawns on everyone that all these houses are completely unsustainable.

 

[spunodi]

Have we seen this?

The #dontfuckmyfuture campaign:

Big Narstie's Video

Kiera Knightley's Video

I personally love it though can't help but feel that launching it for the Voter Registration Deadline may have been slightly more effective.

 

[Fare Godmace]

Wow, what happened? It looked like Remain would win for sure last week, but now it looks like Leave has the lead

I'm feeling pretty anxious about it as an European living in London, ugh.

 

[Beefy]

My friend can't find a paying job atm so is working in a charity shop. All he wants is a job that pays the same or a little more the JSA. Yet in 6months he has only had 4 interviews. He says he has only seen about 20 low skilled jobs in that time. He said the only job that seems to be a crazy amount of openings is tele-sales. He doesn't blame the EU, he blames the Tories.

 

[Psychotext]

This is stupid though, like really mind numbligly stupid. They're going to fight the establishment by effectively giving them much more power over their daily lives. Literaly the only advantage is immigration,which as always remains shockingly on the fense of, if not outright xenophobia.

It doesn't matter. The areas interviewed in the first article have next to no immigrants in them compared to most of the country... the reasons for their suffering and struggling are long, complicated, and can largely be placed at the feet of Westminster.

But perception = reality. So it's the immigrants that have their jobs, and their houses, and their prospects...

Of course, it doesn't matter that voting out of the EU isn't going to change the slightest thing about that. They believe it will, and that's all that really matters. It's desperately depressing.

Edit - I hadn't actually finished reading when I posted, it's actually covered:

In Merthyr Tydfil ­– which in all of Wales has seen the highest percentage increase in immigration over the past decade – you are still five times more likely to meet a working-age adult on benefits than someone without a UK passport.

However invisible the immigrants, they were mentioned by every leaver, in language that I once thought had been dropped in the 80s. “I don’t want to offend you.” Or: “I’m not racist.” Or: “I’ve got mates from Ghana.” Always followed by “but”. But we let too many in. But we need to look after our own. But I hear eastern Europeans turning up at the jobcentre are handed a grand.

 

[Philly40]

Is the problem that EU immigrants are welfare cheats.
Or is the problem that EU immigrants are taking all the jobs.
Which one is it?

They're taking all the jobs AND they're welfare cheating -

Apparently they live 10-people to a house to cut down their Council tax bills and most of them don't even bother to pay for a TV License!

 

[Chinner]

Wow, what happened? It looked like Remain would win for sure last week, but now it looks like Leave has the lead

I'm feeling pretty anxious about it as an European living in London, ugh.

Immigration debate occurred. Remain has no effective counter, and it's not socially accepted to say 'immigrants are good'.

Shouldn't be surprised, they've been a scapegoat for years. Then you have these programs like big fat gyspy wedding or those programs of immigrants coming across to abuse our benefits system which creates a reality that they're taking the piss out of our heritage. It casts a movement of people as focal point for an entire failure of our ruling classes. For a lot of people, the quality of life has not improved since the recession, and for the majority of people we still live from paycheque to paycheque. They see these programs and believe into a reality that their life is a struggle while others cheat the system Immigration and the EU are easy to blame, and it's easier than address in the deep routed problems we have in our society.

 

[trembli0s]

Well, you had a good run, Europe.

Maybe the aftermath of this will result in consolidation in the core countries where it makes the most sense.

 

[le-seb]

Right... Losing it's 4th largest contributor, the worlds 5th most powerful economy* and a massive sign of low faith would have no effect on the EU's economy. Okey-Dokey.

*Last I heard the GDP growth was on track to overtake Japan?

In their opinion, a Brexit would cause a slowdown of trades between the UK and the EU countries, aggravated by the fact that a Brexit will certainly hurt economic growth in the UK, and would cause a raise in interest rates and risk premiums caused by a lack of confidence / uncertainty on how the EU will do without the UK.

But in thee same time, they expect capitals flowing massively back from the UK to the EU, as a consequence of EU based firms and non EU investors repatriating funds to EU countries, which would have a beneficial effect on economic growth and employment in this countries (and the EU).

They think negatives and positives will balance each other.


Nothing really crazy here, most of these points have been discussed in this thread already.

 

[trembli0s]

Immigration debate occurred. Remain has no effective counter, and it's not socially accepted to say 'immigrants are good'.

Shouldn't be surprised, they've been a scapegoat for years. Then you have these programs like big fat gyspy wedding or those programs of immigrants coming across to abuse our benefits system which creates a reality that they're taking the piss out of our heritage. It casts a movement of people as focal point for an entire failure of our ruling classes. For a lot of people, the quality of life has not improved since the recession, and for the majority of people we still live from paycheque to paycheque. They see these programs and believe into a reality that their life is a struggle while others cheat the system Immigration and the EU are easy to blame, and it's easier than address in the deep routed problems we have in our society.

The refugee and immigration crises absolutely gutted them. It's hard to explain why every refugee ran for Sweden, Germany, and other countries with generous policies without giving some truth to the immigration boogeyman.

It reminds me of what happened here in the US when all the children surged from Central America.

 

[avaya]

In their opinion, a Brexit would cause a slowdown of trades between the UK and the EU countries, aggravated by the fact that a Brexit will certainly hurt economic growth in the UK, and would cause a raise in interest rates and risk premiums caused by a lack of confidence / uncertainty on how the EU will do without the UK.

But in thee same time, they expect capitals flowing massively back from the UK to the EU, as a consequence of EU based firms and non EU investors repatriating funds to EU countries, which would have a beneficial effect on economic growth and employment in this countries (and the EU).

They think negatives and positives will balance each other.


Nothing really crazy here, most of these points have been discussed in this thread already.

You want this realised by people putting where the money is? Pick a defensive sector, telecoms, these stocks hardly move normally...

Look at the performance of Vodafone today. Virtually flat. Why? Exposure to UK is <10%. BT today? Torched. Exposure to UK >80%.

But don't worry guys we'll be OK, them economic arguments are all bluster. Herp derp.

 

[Madchad]

They're taking all the jobs AND they're welfare cheating -

Apparently they live 10-people to a house to cut down their Council tax bills and most of them don't even bother to pay for a TV License!

Bold point i can actually go outside right now and take a picture of 2 perfect family homes which have been converted by a landlord and are now filled with i dont think 10 but at least 8 in each. All Eastern Europeans. And thats just next door to where i live god knows whats going on over in the new housing area thats going up iv not been down that way for a few years.

I must stress there are no children in those 2 houses from what iv seen only young/middle age singles, they seem charming enough spoken a few times to them, only grip i have i must admit is that they tend to hang about in a group of 3 or 4 and only 1 speaks English the rest have no idea what i am saying >_>

 

[Principate]

In their opinion, a Brexit would cause a slowdown of trades between the UK and the EU countries, aggravated by the fact that a Brexit will certainly hurt economic growth in the UK, and would cause a raise in interest rates and risk premiums caused by a lack of confidence / uncertainty on how the EU will do without the UK.

But in thee same time, they expect capitals flowing massively back from the UK to the EU, as a consequence of EU based firms and non EU investors repatriating funds to EU countries, which would have a beneficial effect on economic growth and employment in this countries (and the EU).

They think negatives and positives will balance each other.


Nothing really crazy here, most of these points have been discussed in this thread already.

None of that explains how the UK will come out unscathed after massive amounts of EU investment has left and are no forced to restart negotiotions with damn near everyone, to even begin to return to current normalcy. The UK gets absolutely screwed in that scenario.

Also ignores the Euroskepticism is at an all time high everywhere. If the UK leaves others are sure to follow.

 

[danowat]

Bold point i can actually go outside right now and take a picture of 2 perfect family homes which have been converted by a landlord and are now filled with i dont think 10 but at least 8 in each. All Eastern Europeans. And thats just next door to where i live god knows whats going on over in the new housing area thats going up iv not been down that way for a few years.

Fault of the EU migration system? Or unchecked and unscrupulous landlords?

 

[Chinner]

None of that explains how the UK will come out unscathed after massive amounts of EU investment has left and are no forced to restart negotiotions with damn near everyone, to even begin to return to current normalcy. The UK gets absolutely screwed in that scenario.

Also ignores the Euroskepticism is at an all time high everywhere. If the UK leaves others are sure to follow.

It's worth it. You know, for reasons.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Bold point i can actually go outside right now and take a picture of 2 perfect family homes which have been converted by a landlord and are now filled with i dont think 10 but at least 8 in each. All Eastern Europeans. And thats just next door to where i live god knows whats going on over in the new housing area thats going up iv not been down that way for a few years.

Seems like a good use of housing, since you have a shortage of that. Better then my building where I can point at 3 AirBnB rentals which are not used for normal living.

 

[Psychotext]

Bold point i can actually go outside right now and take a picture of 2 perfect family homes which have been converted by a landlord and are now filled with i dont think 10 but at least 8 in each. All Eastern Europeans. And thats just next door to where i live god knows whats going on over in the new housing area thats going up iv not been down that way for a few years.

When I've worked away from home I've stayed in hostels for significant periods of time and I have to ask... so fucking what?

Genuinely, if they're willing to save money that way so that they can make the most of the wages they're earning, who the fuck are we to judge?

Edit - Thinking about it, I know 8 people (Brits for what it's worth) living together in London because they can't afford to work there otherwise. Are we cool with Brits doing it?

 

[avaya]

None of that explains how the UK will come out unscathed after massive amounts of EU investment has left and are no forced to restart negotiotions with damn near everyone, to even begin to return to current normalcy. The UK gets absolutely screwed in that scenario.

Also ignores the Euroskepticism is at an all time high everywhere. If the UK leaves others are sure to follow.

The legal framework of Article 50 means the UK has no say on the terms. The other 27 decide. You accept. Our strategists and sector heads met with Gove last week. He's all set on the "informal negotiation" route.

The informal route has no legal basis. The last informal negotiations were between the Greeks and the Eurogroup.....suddenly the agreement magically changed each time the Greeks came to the table to sign it.

The last point is exactly why the Europeans are incentivised to fuck us. Hard.

 

[Philly40]

Bold point i can actually go outside right now and take a picture of 2 perfect family homes which have been converted by a landlord and are now filled with i dont think 10 but at least 8 in each. All Eastern Europeans. And thats just next door to where i live god knows whats going on over in the new housing area thats going up iv not been down that way for a few years.

I must satress there are no children in those 2 houses from what iv seen only young/middle age singles, they seem charming enough spoken a few times to them, only grip i have i must admit is that they tend to hang about in a group of 3 or 4 and only 1 speaks English the rest have no idea what i am saying >_>

Years ago, when I was a student, we had 12 of us living in a family house at one point. 11 of us were white British.

Looking back, we weren't particularly quiet and respectful neighbours.

 

[Madchad]

I just pointing out to the person who posted that that is actually happening...

And to add i do think the landlord in question is a fleecer i think he has some sort of setup going hes charging them a stupid amount for a single room and has a lot of them working in his subway store

 

[Chinner]

When I've worked away from home I've stayed in hostels for significant periods of time and I have to ask... so fucking what?

Genuinely, if they're willing to save money that way so that they can make the most of the wages they're earning, who the fuck are we to judge?

Edit - Thinking about it, I know 8 people (Brits for what it's worth) living together in London because they can't afford to work there otherwise. Are we cool with Brits doing it?

This is part of the problem, culturally we're still a Christriam culture, and anything that is not within those binary definitions of 'normal' that is scary and wrong.

 

[KingSnake]

Why is there an issue that 8-10 people live together in a house? Especially since there are not enough houses?

 

[WinterX]

Why is there an issue that 8-10 people live together in a house? Especially since there are not enough houses?

Not my problem if they want to.

I'm mad about benefit cheaters. I know some Turkish people living next to me. They live with 5 and none of them work. Never worked. They have Dutch benefit called 'Wajong'. All he does is reselling cars and smoking cigarettes every morning I go to work.

I wouldn't stay at home for longer than few days without a work. Some people can stay unemployed whole life. AMAZING.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Not my problem if they want to.

I'm mad about benefit cheaters. I know some Turkish people living next to me. They live with 5 and none of them work. Never worked. They have Dutch benefit called 'Wajong'. All he does is reselling cars and smoking cigarettes every morning I go to work.

I wouldn't stay at home for longer than few days without a work. Some people can stay unemployed whole life. AMAZING.

All five claim disability benefits?

How old are they?

 

[Psychotext]

Benefit cheats are generally more of a problem with the natives than with immigrants (and it's almost massively overblown as a problem anyway).

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Benefit cheats are generally more of a problem with the natives than with immigrants (and it's almost massively overblown as a problem anyway).

Pretty sure more benefits go unclaimed than are taken out of the system via fraud. Could be wrong though.

 

[le-seb]

Also ignores the Euroskepticism is at an all time high everywhere. If the UK leaves others are sure to follow.

I wouldn't be so sure of this. There were already many hints at the fact that leaving the EU won't be a walk in the park, to prevent more withdrawals.

However, these analysts do think that the UK leaving will raise awareness for the need of a stronger political commitment, more federative system, among remaining EU partners.
And on the contrary, they do think that a Remain vote would tempt other EU states to try renegotiating some thematics important to them.


I wouldn't find it totally surprising, actually.

 

[Moosichu]

What if Livingstone comes out as pro-brexit, would that help remain? Quick, someone convince him!

 

[WinterX]

All five claim disability benefits?

How old are they?

It's grandmother of the guy, his wife and 2 children around 18-20.

Both of them have some disability, I mean some problem with their leg. Nevertheless, IMO they can work. They can sit and work, can't they? Why pay money for nothing? What if there are thousands of such people? It has impact on the budget in every country.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Not my problem if they want to.

I'm mad about benefit cheaters. I know some Turkish people living next to me. They live with 5 and none of them work. Never worked. They have Dutch benefit called 'Wajong'. All he does is reselling cars and smoking cigarettes every morning I go to work.

I wouldn't stay at home for longer than few days without a work. Some people can stay unemployed whole life. AMAZING.

The amount of money people like that can take out the system isn't even comparable with the amount of money that's being taken out of your pocket by corporations not paying their fair share of tax. You should be more worried about that.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

It's grandmother of the guy, his wife and 2 children around 18-20.

Both of them have some disability, I mean some problem with their leg. Nevertheless, IMO they can work. They can sit and work, can't they? Why pay money for nothing? What if there are thousands of such people? It has impact on the budget in every country.

It's not up to you to decide if they can or can't work. The government likely assessed them and decided to give them that benefit.

And you're only seeing one side, what if any medication they happen to be on leaves them too drowsy/unable to work? It's too easy to fall prey to this kind of thinking, their disability doesn't seem so bad, they should work...

No. They should be assessed if they are found able to work they will be helped into work otherwise they will be helped to support themselves so they don't starve, have their life made even harder because of some people thinking they don't deserve to be helped.

We're not a cruel society, it's our duty to look after those who can't look after themselves. We shouldn't allow ourselves to become like the US and other countries where individualism is the rule of the land and helping those less fortunate or able is seen as a bad thing.

 

[WinterX]

The amount of money people like that can take out the system is NOTHING compared with the amount of money that's being taken out of your pocket by corporations not paying their fair share of tax.

Yeah, let's blame it on corporations. Not that they create jobs. Not the government.

 

[avaya]

It's grandmother of the guy, his wife and 2 children around 18-20.

Both of them have some disability, I mean some problem with their leg. Nevertheless, IMO they can work. They can sit and work, can't they? Why pay money for nothing? What if there are thousands of such people? It has impact on the budget in every country.

There are thousands of them! Thousands!

You have a perception of a problem that isn't actually that impactful.

Welfare cheats have almost a non-existent impact on the budget of most developed nations. In many it would cost more to find out if they were cheating than allowing it to continue. Systems never work 100%, there will be some who fall through the cracks but these systems tend to work very efficiently almost all of the time.

Welfare based dogwhistles are easy to sell to the population because people have no comprehension of the size of the budgets involved and the real scale of the problem relative to the other issues in the budget.

 

[Uzzy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-labour-heartland-backing-brexit-south-wales

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...abour-tells-core-voters-but-no-ones-listening

In the midst of all it's bullshit, the guardian buried it's most reflective articles.

Millions (and seemingly the swing voters) don't give a shit about threats of economic calamity and shit future prospects... Because they're already living it. They've been ignored, insulted and spoken down to by state and media for nearly 20 years now.

This isn't just about the EU, this a perfect storm of anger forming from decades of mismanagement and fuck ups. Whichever result, status quo simply cannot continue.

Yeah, I've said this before. Threats of economic insecurity don't work on people already living in economic insecurity. Here in my home city of Hull, the council asked all staff if they'd consider voluntary redundancy, because of continued cuts from central government funding. They've had their budget cut by nearly 47% since 2010/11.

So hearing Osborne go on about how they'll have to cut the budget if we vote for Brexit is just laughable, because they've been doing that while we're in the EU, and will continue to do it regardless.

 

[WinterX]

It's not up to you to decide if they can or can't work. The government likely assessed them and decided to give them that benefit.

And you're only seeing one side, what if any medication they happen to be on leaves them too drowsy/unable to work? It's too easy to fall prey to this kind of thinking, their disability doesn't seem so bad, they should work...

No. They should be assessed if they are found able to work they will be helped into work otherwise they will be helped to support themselves so they don't starve, have their life made even harder because of some people thinking they don't deserve to be helped.

We're not a cruel society, it's our duty to look after those who can't look after themselves. We shouldn't allow ourselves to become like the US and other countries where individualism is the rule of the land and helping those less fortunate or able is seen as a bad thing.

And that's why people would love to move to the US if they had a chance. EU welcomes only refugess.

It's not up to me to decide but it's up to me to pay taxes. It's already pretty hard these days than it was 10-20 years ago.

And yes, we are cruel society, it's just a silly curtain to cover all dirty things we have done during many centuries of colonialism.

 

[Principate]

I wouldn't be so sure of this. There were already many hints at the fact that leaving the EU won't be a walk in the park, to prevent more withdrawals.

However, these analysts do think that the UK leaving will raise awareness for the need of a stronger political commitment, more federative system, among remaining EU partners.

And on the contrary, they do think that a Remain vote would tempt other EU states to try renegotiating some thematics important to them.


I wouldn't find it totally surprising, indeed.

None that explains that scenario they proposed, if the EU are tough on the UK, to disuade other countries the UK will not remain relative the same It will be fucked over pretty hard. The scenario comes off very unlikely that both will be reasonably fine in case of a brexit, with Britain standing the most to lose.

 

[Philly40]

It's grandmother of the guy, his wife and 2 children around 18-20.

Both of them have some disability, I mean some problem with their leg. Nevertheless, IMO they can work. They can sit and work, can't they? Why pay money for nothing? What if there are thousands of such people? It has impact on the budget in every country.

I'm not totally sure, but I think WinterX is on a wind-up here.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Yeah, let's blame it on corporations. Not that they create jobs. Not the government.

Your issue is that your tax is too high right? Reason your tax is too high is because your government is unable to collect it elsewhere. Big corporations paying no tax/less than you are, is a real concern you should have. Because the amount of money that disappears as a result, is money your government has to tax you instead.

Corporations create jobs? The same corporations that give those jobs to foreign labourers?
Infrastructure, education, and government regulation creates and sustains jobs. If it weren't for your government, corporations would ship in cheaper workers from eastern asia to do the work you do.

 

[Tak3n]

Around 16% of pupils in England did not get into their first choice of secondary school this year, according to figures out today.

In a Vote Leave press statement the employment minister Priti Patel says:

The shortage of school places - with one in six children in England missing out on a place at their top choice of secondary school - is yet another example of how uncontrolled migration is putting unsustainable pressures on our public services. Education is one of the most important things that government delivers, and it’s deeply regrettable that so many families and young people have been let down in this way.

 

[Psychotext]

Pretty sure more benefits go unclaimed than are taken out of the system via fraud. Could be wrong though.

No, that's true, especially for in work benefits. God help us if everyone claimed what they were entitled to (apparently I could have claimed for about 6 years when I set up my business and was earning next to nothing, didn't though).