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[Guilty_AI]

Even if they shutter Bungie, Sony would need to keep Destiny servers going in some fashion for a few years at least, the PR backlash from completely shutting it down would be a disaster.

PR or whatever will never be good enough compared to their bottom line. The only way we can be sure they're willing to do right by destiny players, apart from reviving the game, is if they make an offline mode of sorts, anything else is cope.

 

[clarky]

PR or whatever will never be good enough compared to their bottom line. The only way we can be sure they're willing to do right by destiny players, apart from reviving the game, is if they make an offline mode of sorts, anything else is cope.

You can't make an offline version of Destiny. The game is P2P, they have kept D1 running with minimal players for years, no reason why they wouldn't do the same for D2.

 

[GoldenEye98]

They were still developing this?..

 

[Guilty_AI]

You can't make an offline version of Destiny. The game is P2P, they have kept D1 running with minimal players for years, no reason why they wouldn't do the same for D2.

They had a very successful D2 to keep bungie afloat and happy. Now they have... Marathon, and Sony breathing down their neck.

Loaded gun. Pointed to the head. The only thing you can depend on as a guarantee it'll keep working is bungies whims (or sony's if they get sacked), unlike if there was an offline mode. I'll let D2 players judge how much thats worth.

 

[clarky]

They had a very successful D2 to keep bungie afloat and happy. Now they have... Marathon, and Sony breathing down their neck.

Loaded gun. Pointed to the head. The only thing you can depend on as a guarantee it'll keep working is bungies whims, unlike if there was an offline mode. I'll let D2 players judge how much thats worth.

Not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying if Bungie gets gutted or shuttered then It would be a PR disaster for Sony not to keep the D2 servers on so it is playable. Sony owns Destiny, not Bungie.

Like I said you can't make an offline version if the game, unless you fancy playing crucible or attempting a raid sol0 or driving around an empty patrol space.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Not sure we are talking about the same thing. I am saying if Bungie gets gutted or shuttered then It would be a PR disaster for Sony not to keep the D2 servers on so it is playable. Sony owns Destiny, not Bungie.

Sony has even less reasons to keep it running, like i said, PR or whatever means very little for them here. They've shut down online games in the past, they closed down beloved studios without sparing any condolences, they are more than willing to shut down a dead live service game that brings them nothing.

 

[clarky]

Sony has even less reasons to keep it running, like i said, PR or whatever means very little for them here. They've shut down online games in the past, they closed down beloved studios without sparing any condolences, they are more than willing to shut down a dead live service game that brings them nothing.

Destiny still has a pretty decent amount of MAU. Its far from dead. And please don't post a steam CCU chart.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Destiny still has a pretty decent amount of MAU. Its far from dead. And please don't post a steam CCU chart.

One that'll slowly fade out with no more expansions of updates, not to mention we're talking about a f2p game. The amount of people wiling to invest money on an unsupported live service will also not be very big.

 

[clarky]

One that'll slowly fade out with no more expansions of updates, not to mention we're talking about a f2p game. The amount of people wiling to invest money on an unsupported live service will also not be very big.

Quick AI says theres between 1-2 million monthly active Destiny players before this update.

My point was if they gut Bungie tomorrow then D2 would still be around as it has decent amount of players and Sony would be foolish to piss off so many customers. Active development is stopping as the base doesn't support it, but the base does support keeping the lights on, for now.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

This meme has been getting quite a workout here lately.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Even if they shutter Bungie, Sony would need to keep Destiny servers going in some fashion for a few years at least, the PR backlash from completely shutting it down would be a disaster.

Don't play myself anymore but a fair few folks do.

The player base is so low right now that people would barely notice if it disappears.

 

[Rambone]

 

[Roman Empire]

I'm happy with these results. Made my peace with Bungie and Destiny back in the Beyond Light days, and since then been watching in the sidelines for this day to come.

So long Destiny, wished someone more competent could have handled this OP.

 

[clarky]

The player base is so low right now that people would barely notice if it disappears.

It has around 1-2 million MAU, I think those folks would notice.

 

[Sohurmk833]

It has around 1-2 million MAU, I think those folks would notice.

That´s over 3 devices though. And the numbers will drop like a rock after the last update.

 

[clarky]

That´s over 3 devices though. And the numbers will drop like a rock after the last update.

Not sure what the amount of devices has to do with it? Active users are active users regardless of platform.

 

[Hypereides]

Halo 1-3 were so good that it enabled a company to convince people to play a shit game for 12 years

Wanna know why? Its because the company enforced and redefined a culture of under delivering to avoid setting the expectations from consumers/their fanbase too high. Bungie hasn't been the old school Bungie for a long time.

Legendary drops touched upon this in a recent video (timestamped):



This is most of the western and AAA scene in a nutshell. Western legacy AAA studios, and most modern AAA gamedevs, are coasting on the shoulders of giants. Its about underachieving due to the fear of making consumers expect more/better from them in their next endeavour. How in the world did it get to this? This industry used to be headed by ambitious visionaries and pioneers who consistently wanted to uppercut one another.

Is thinking up new gameplay styles and ideas hard? Absolutely. Does that mean they should slack on that aspect? Absolutely not.

 

[LordCBH]

Not sure what the amount of devices has to do with it? Active users are active users regardless of platform.

I think the main issue is that a lot will likely stop logging on not long after content drops stop. There will be die hards who will keep going, who will keep logging in, hoping they can be part of what keeps it a float and part of the reason why it gets revived, but I just don't think there are enough.

I've kept the game installed and played it occasionally, looking forward to new content. But tbh, I'll probably just stop playing for good once I've played the update that's coming and had one last hurrah with the clan members who are hopping on for one last tour.

Do I expect it to go to zero players? No. Do I expect it to still hit the 10-11k ccu a day + whatever the number of unique users is each day? Also no. I expect it to get cut in half within a month or two. Where it goes after? No idea, but I don't see it going up.

I'm really going to miss this game, warts and all. The highs were incredibly high, but the lows were incredibly low. Many good memories and good friends made. Even during its lows the clan members would always look forward to seeing what next expansion would get announced, would opine on where we all thought the story might go or what bits of lore we hoped would take the spotlight. Those of us who still played would salivate over upcoming dungeons and would look forward to diving into the next day one raid.

The worst part is we just went through 9 months of complete radio silence, while the face of the game was constantly telling us all "teams jamming. Wait till the road map!", and then that road map was delayed till early in the new year, and then all mention of it disappeared altogether. It's not as much it's coming to an end that hurts, but just how it's coming to an end. No grand send off, no dramatic end to the story….just a cliffhanger in a new saga, and a sad tweet. For a game that, whether people liked it or not, seized the spotlight multiple times over its lifespan and did manage to cultivate a highly dedicated fan base who loved playing it.

And in the end, it's a story of horrible mismanagement of the thing that was keeping them as a studio afloat. Re-invest into the thing that attracted such a rabid fanbase? No, they spent that money on other things. On games that went no where, on a game that could never hit those highs. And I'm not against Marathon existing. I think it's neat. I was just against them starving their golden goose in order to make it.

 

[clarky]

I think the main issue is that a lot will likely stop logging on not long after content drops stop. There will be die hards who will keep going, who will keep logging in, hoping they can be part of what keeps it a float and part of the reason why it gets revived, but I just don't think there are enough.

I've kept the game installed and played it occasionally, looking forward to new content. But tbh, I'll probably just stop playing for good once I've played the update that's coming and had one last hurrah with the clan members who are hopping on for one last tour.

Do I expect it to go to zero players? No. Do I expect it to still hit the 10-11k ccu a day + whatever the number of unique users is each day? Also no. I expect it to get cut in half within a month or two. Where it goes after? No idea, but I don't see it going up.

I'm really going to miss this game, warts and all. The highs were incredibly high, but the lows were incredibly low. Many good memories and good friends made. Even during its lows the clan members would always look forward to seeing what next expansion would get announced, would opine on where we all thought the story might go or what bits of lore we hoped would take the spotlight. Those of us who still played would salivate over upcoming dungeons and would look forward to diving into the next day one raid.

The worst part is we just went through 9 months of complete radio silence, while the face of the game was constantly telling us all "teams jamming. Wait till the road map!", and then that road map was delayed till early in the new year, and then all mention of it disappeared altogether. It's not as much it's coming to an end that hurts, but just how it's coming to an end. No grand send off, no dramatic end to the story….just a cliffhanger in a new saga, and a sad tweet. For a game that, whether people liked it or not, seized the spotlight multiple times over its lifespan and did manage to cultivate a highly dedicated fan base who loved playing it.

And in the end, it's a story of horrible mismanagement of the thing that was keeping them as a studio afloat. Re-invest into the thing that attracted such a rabid fanbase? No, they spent that money on other things. On games that went no where, on a game that could never hit those highs. And I'm not against Marathon existing. I think it's neat. I was just against them starving their golden goose in order to make it.

All true unfortunately. Not sure what went on this last year but im sure we'll get the warts n all story at some point. They really did treat Destiny fans like shit, recently especially. Didn't really affect me as I dropped off around Witch Queen and only came back for the odd game then TFS for a victory lap.

Shame folks don't like Marathon, I fully understand why some are hostile to it but I stand by my original assessment, for me it's the best thing they've done since Halo 3 easily my most played game in a very long time. Certainly has it's fair share of issues though.

It is what it is, whatever will be will be. If it dies it dies but I'll enjoy it while they chuck the kitchen sink at it trying to save the company.

 

[Zacfoldor]

It was the Omega genre after all.

 

[LordCBH]

All true unfortunately. Not sure what went on this last year but im sure we'll get the warts n all story at some point. They really did treat Destiny fans like shit, recently especially. Didn't really affect me as I dropped off around Witch Queen and only came back for the odd game then TFS for a victory lap.

Shame folks don't like Marathon, I fully understand why some are hostile to it but I stand by my original assessment, for me it's the best thing they've done since Halo 3 easily my most played game in a very long time. Certainly has it's fair share of issues though.

It is what it is, whatever will be will be. If it dies it dies but I'll enjoy it while they chuck the kitchen sink at it trying to save the company.

It's such a shame. They had two expansions announced, with the first of those set for release this winter. Even just last month it was "some amazing stuff is coming guys." which makes me wonder how abrupt this was? It really feels like 1) they delayed the major update from March to June because they understood they could not afford another awful update like Ash and Iron with the last expansion, and 2) they were under the assumption that the game would continue.

So did the devs just find out when we did? Certainly wouldn't be the first time in this industry. And if they found out when we did, how long did senior management and executives know?

 

[Hudo]

Marty O'Donnell can compose the funeral song for Bungie. That would probably be the only time he'd do something for Bungie again.

 

[clarky]

It's such a shame. They had two expansions announced, with the first of those set for release this winter. Even just last month it was "some amazing stuff is coming guys." which makes me wonder how abrupt this was? It really feels like 1) they delayed the major update from March to June because they understood they could not afford another awful update like Ash and Iron with the last expansion, and 2) they were under the assumption that the game would continue.

So did the devs just find out when we did? Certainly wouldn't be the first time in this industry. And if they found out when we did, how long did senior management and executives know?

Think it snowballed with Marathon. All hands on deck to get that sorted after that shitty April test at the expense of D2, then it not doing the numbers that they (stupidly) expected.

Now with Destiny kinda played out and on its arse (relatively speaking and mostly their own fault). Looks like they backed themselves into a corner of their own making. Spend more on D2 expansions that are losing players with each release and slowly die and also except Marathon will be super niche and take the hit or go for the hail mary and chuck everything behind Marathon and turn it into a D3 in all but name. Both options will probably lead to the end of Bungie but I do think they have at least a shot.

It's really fucking stupid how they didn't have D3 in deep development by now, and that Sony bought them without it. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[Nydius]

Marty O'Donnell can compose the funeral song for Bungie. That would probably be the only time he'd do something for Bungie again.

He's too busy running for Congress in Nevada's Third District to bother with composing music anymore.

 

[LordCBH]

Think it snowballed with Marathon. All hands on deck to get that sorted after that shitty April test at the expense of D2, then it not doing the numbers that they (stupidly) expected.

Now with Destiny kinda played out and on its arse (relatively speaking and mostly their own fault). Looks like they backed themselves into a corner of their own making. Spend more on D2 expansions that are losing players with each release and slowly and except Marathon will be super niche and take the hit or go for the hail mary and chuck everything behind Marathon and turn it into a D3 in all but name. Both options will probably lead to the end of Bungie but I do think they have at least a shot.

It's really fucking stupid how they didn't have D3 in deep development by now, and that Sony bought them without it. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

They really should have had 3 in dev back in 2021. 2022 AT THE LATEST. Absolutely crazy to me that they didn't.

Would've also loved even a barebones pc port of 1, but I gave up on that one a long time ago.

 

[King Jaffe Joffer]

I disagree with the idea that the content would take too much time or effort to restore. That comes across to me as more horseshit excuses from Bungie. There are three major things I can think of that would break levels with an engine change:

- Lighting / VFX
- Bounding boxes / physics
- Scripted events

Lighting was likely restored because none of the other content looked any different after the update. This means the elements that likely presented the challenges were bounding boxes or scripted events... And yeah that's a fair bit of work, but so what? You have the original code and map data as reference, suck it up and do it. Bounding boxes may have needed to be re-flagged for their physics properties. Scripting could have needed a new language or to be re-compartmentalized into new call / storage methods (Bungie was vocal that game compiles / builds took too long at the time).

Neither of these is an unsolvable problem. They clearly had the resources to rework the content because according to them they did update half the content in the game during the development of beyond light. All the content that didn't hit the vault was reworked. Why couldn't they continue that work in the background during year 5, year 6, etc? It probably wouldn have gotten done by year 7 if they kept working at it. They probably just tested the waters with their vaulting announcement and people gave them a pass. It was simply cheaper to just pretend this content never existed.

There's also seasonal content forever removed from the game that was developed after the engine update. They could have put some effort into making that content playable again because it should be engine compatible. Being the assholes Bungie are though they not only removed that content from the game, they deliberately told youtubers they could not even document / archive it in video form. Destin used to make video documentaries of the seasonal stories to preserve them for furture players. Bungie shut that down.

I treat Bungie with the same level of respect they've treated their game / players / IP with, that being none. Bungie does not value their own work beyond pre-order money and first week sales. Never let them live what they did down.

No one should treat them with respect. I've been playing the game off and on up until recently, mostly cause my brother still plays it pretty regularly. I do think it would take a lot of work to get it back in there and actually working, Bungie can barely add an activity in without the game having issues. That's cause they suck, and I have no faith in them being able to produce it on the cheap. This is Bungie we're talking about, I don't think there's been a more mismanaged company of this prestige. I agree, they should do it, cause they removed things in the game people paid for, plus it killed any easy way to attract new players. I just don't see them doing it, that's all. It's not an excuse, they just don't care, or at least the higher ups don't care, and all they will care about is money. I'd be happy to see them get dissolved at this point.

 

[sodstall]

Lets be honest D2 wasn't built in a way to be a 10 year old goliath like GTA, Apex, Fortnite, Ect.

D2 ruined all that for itself pivoting into free to play, nuking its base experience and over indulging in cross-over strategies. They mimicked too close to the sun with it and lost the thread when their immediate reaction to D2 feeling a lil stale wasn't met with "ok whats NEXT for destiny?"

Destiny always had an uphill battle to win my love cause i just outright disliked the piviot to that world comming off of Halo. But Marathon has come out the gate doing more of the grim, melancholic space opera shit that i adore in the Halo's and OG marathons. Its got room to expand and make additions that do some of that destiny-type s'pht.

 

[Hudo]

He's too busy running for Congress in Nevada's Third District to bother with composing music anymore.

Huh. I didn't know he's in politics now.

 

[LordCBH]

So that was a fuckin lie.

 

[sainraja]

Gamers are idiots. Some are even celebrating "this" and some are pointing fingers. But years down the road, these same idiots will be like "I wish there was a game like Destiny" or "I wish Destiny 2 was still around".
So, yes, gamers are idiots.

And the unfortunate truth is, that no one wants to admit, we let it die.

And no, Destiny 3 isn't the answer although I'd take that at this point. It would end up with the same type of issues and rinse/repeat. People just don't seem to understand this.

 

[clarky]

So that was a fuckin lie.

Could be a hint at D3.

 

[ultrazilla]

To help ease the pain, Sony *could* have Bungie release a fully remastered "current gen" Destiny 1 for PC, Xbox, Playstation and yes, even Switch 2.
So many fans have asked for it and I really believe a "re-release" of a remastered Destiny would be a bigger hit than they think. 4K/60fps for home consoles,
PC gets all the bells and whistles(ray tracing, dlss, whatever) packed in, etc.

Simply mind boggling there's been zero news on a remaster of the first game.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Gamers are idiots. Some are even celebrating "this" and some are pointing fingers. But years down the road, these same idiots will be like "I wish there was a game like Destiny" or "I wish Destiny 2 was still around".
So, yes, gamers are idiots.

And the unfortunate truth is, that no one wants to admit, we let it die.

And no, Destiny 3 isn't the answer although I'd take that at this point. It would end up with the same type of issues and rinse/repeat. People just don't seem to understand this.

Bruh, we'd still be playing destiny if bungie wasn't a bunch of dumb asses. I mean they stopped supporting aspects of the game, sooooo...what are we supposed to do celebrate that? They fucked it up and deserve everything they get.

 

[Sohurmk833]

Gamers are idiots. Some are even celebrating "this" and some are pointing fingers. But years down the road, these same idiots will be like "I wish there was a game like Destiny" or "I wish Destiny 2 was still around".
So, yes, gamers are idiots.

Pretty sure we won't be saying that.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

To help ease the pain, Sony *could* have Bungie release a fully remastered "current gen" Destiny 1 for PC, Xbox, Playstation and yes, even Switch 2.
So many fans have asked for it and I really believe a "re-release" of a remastered Destiny would be a bigger hit than they think. 4K/60fps for home consoles,
PC gets all the bells and whistles(ray tracing, dlss, whatever) packed in, etc.

Simply mind boggling there's been zero news on a remaster of the first game.

If D1 had a resurgence I'd be happy with that for awhile. Just a nice modern remaster, soft reboot maybe... It's been long enough.

Its why I feel sony needs to give it to a worthy company that would do it justice

 

[clarky]

If D1 had a resurgence I'd be happy with that for awhile. Just a nice modern remaster, soft reboot maybe... It's been long enough.

Its why I feel sony needs to give it to a worthy company that would do it justice

Yeah I'd take a Destiny 1 remake with all the content slapped in. That would be pretty popular I think.

No brainer, thats why it won't happen.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Yeah I'd take a Destiny 1 remake with all the content slapped in. That would be pretty popular I think.

No brainer, thats why it won't happen.

Exactly haha won't happen cuz it actually makes sense

 

[Guardian Monkey]

If D1 had a resurgence I'd be happy with that for awhile. Just a nice modern remaster, soft reboot maybe... It's been long enough.

Its why I feel sony needs to give it to a worthy company that would do it justice

Why not give Bluepoint a shot at… oh nm.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Why not give Bluepoint a shot at… oh nm.

Such a shame for those guys, still pisses me off. I think it's why alot of this does sorta make one bitter with so many poor choices by sony, just sucks sometimes. Gaming for me is awesome I'm always having fun but yea some things just flat out suck

 

[BlakeofT]

Makes me kinda sad even though I stopped playing a while ago. Saddest part to me is that there are still so many exotic weapons that don't have catalysts yet, which basically amounts to the unique guns not having their final perks unlocked. They never claimed that they'd all have catalysts, but it was such a fun part of the game for me.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

"GaaS are the future of gaming"

 

[NickFire]

If they haven't made some significant progress on destiny 3 already the entire management team should be immediately fired imo. It is simply unfathomable that they went from destiny 2 at it peak to where they are now,

 

[Raven117]

What an era.

Destiny 1 is my most played game game of all time. Countless hours in both. An absolute end of an era.

How Bungie fucked it up is beyond me. That formula and gameplay was like crack. Yet they could not stop tripping over themselves.

Still though. Not sure I've had more unbridled fun in a video game playing that with my buddies

 

[sainraja]

Pretty sure we won't be saying that.

Right, right. Say what ya like, but gamers love to cry.... over almost anything.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Destiny was one of a kind game, it's why I personally find it all so atrocious around. The combo of how pve and pvp worked together in a game that just had so much to do, so many little ways to work on your characters and not just one but all 3 classes so worth it, it was a special game both D1 and 2.

 

[ResilientBanana]

How many people complaining played in the last month?

 

[SnapShot]

Borderlands 4 is the only other game that feels closest In gameplay to Destiny 2, and it's not a live service so that can either be good or bad depending on who you ask

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

How many people complaining played in the last month?

More or less the same as the ones playing Marathon

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Borderlands 4 is the only other game that feels closest In gameplay to Destiny 2, and it's not a live service so that can either be good or bad depending on who you ask

Funny you mention that because I actually was saying that when playing borders 4 that the gunplay was about the closest feeling to Bungies, the guns all feel so fun and satisfying to use.

 

[DarkShadowXI]

What an era.

Destiny 1 is my most played game game of all time. Countless hours in both. An absolute end of an era.

How Bungie fucked it up is beyond me. That formula and gameplay was like crack. Yet they could not stop tripping over themselves.

Still though. Not sure I've had more unbridled fun in a video game playing that with my buddies

I know exactly what you mean. My Destiny buddies and I have been chatting the past few days and we are all BAFFLED.