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Bus Fight: Old White Guy V.S. Young Black Guy in an Arguement Over Racism

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Stinkles

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nib95 said:
the guy he started trouble with unfortunately fits the hot headed stereo typical temperament of so many Black youths.
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Fuckin fifty-year old black youths. Can't even be young properly.
 
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Saren is Bad

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nib95 said:
The girl who was behind the camera took the bag (naturally as she was clearly friends with the guy who got beaten up). Not exactly a "heinous" act to be fair given the circumstances. So are you telling me that the girl who filmed the original video was the one in the video interview on break?
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http://www.youtube.com/user/iyannaw08#p/a/u/0/CbsX5j-8T3Y <- Looks the same to me, unless my "ignorance" has impaired my sight.

And she stole the bag of the white guy, not the black dude, who, after her other videos and "interviews," is clearly not a friend. Hell, the guy was a fucking stranger. Shit...this is getting pathetic, man.
 
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we only have one witness. as we all know, reports can vary greatly between different people. the witness appears to have said "pinky", "beat his white ass". she even stole his bag.

we still don't know how it started. "you offered" could imply the younger guy actually asked first for whatever reason.
 
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Stinkles

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Saren is Bad said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/iyannaw08#p/a/u/0/CbsX5j-8T3Y <- Looks the same to me, unless my "ignorance" has impaired my sight.

And she stole the bag of the white guy, not the black dude, who, after her other videos and "interviews," is clearly not a friend. Hell, the guy was a fucking stranger. Shit...this is getting pathetic, man.
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From her post:

DONT KNOCK THE MESSENGER IF YOU DONT LIKE WHATS HAPPENING HERE, BE THE CHANGE TO START PUTTING THESE THINGS TO AN END.
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How do you "BE THE CHANGE" to stop idiots fighting on the bus?
 
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nib95

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Saren is Bad said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/iyannaw08#p/a/u/0/CbsX5j-8T3Y <- Looks the same to me, unless my "ignorance" has impaired my sight.

And she stole the bag of the white guy, not the black dude, who, after her other videos and "interviews," is clearly not a friend. Hell, the guy was a fucking stranger. Shit...this is getting pathetic, man.
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Lol...yes...obviously the bag wasn't the black guys lol. What I meant was, the camera women stealing the guys bag isn't really that heinous given that he just had a fight with her mate. Hell, if the White guy really did start this whole malarkey with a racist comment about shoe shining as the video interview suggests, if I was the friend of the black guys I'd probably do a bit more than just "steal his bag" (which I wouldn't do) anyway.

Old man needs to learn that, that kind of old fashioned mentality doesn't cut it any more. Just as the Black guy needs to learn not to be so damn hot tempered or let the words old some old buffoon affect him. He did after all move away from him, should have ended there really.
 
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Dark Octave

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Archaix said:
While I'm scared of how much defense there is of some pretty blatant racist actions, I don't agree with you here. Old is used because it's the best descriptor of the old guy. He's got a giant Santa beard for christ's sake. If he weren't so damned old it would be white guy and black guy.

Also, the black guy wasn't actually young. Avoiding calling him the black guy in this video is just going out of your way to not look racist. It's not racist to use the most obvious physical difference to describe somebody.
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Good points and I'm not here to argue. Somehow I just doubt what you're saying though. Had the black guy been sporting a gray beard and the white guy was the younger of the two, it would not have been "old guy". He would have been "old black guy" by most people here.
 
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Spirit of Jazz

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nib95 said:
Obviously we can't know for sure, but we do have common sense. And spit shine, chinaman, boy, cotton picker (etc) all lead to a pretty clear picture that the old man likely was racist. Remember, ignorance is not as excuse and however you slice it the amalgamation of those things certainly constitutes the notion of racism at least on surface value.
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Right, and other folks common sense dictates that the old man came from a time when Chinaman wasn't perceived as offensive, the he was obviously surprised by the black guys hostile reaction and that the black guy brought up shoe shining before the tape started rolling as the white man refers to him saying it. To be honest when he said "cotton picker" I don't think it would be difficult to believe that he was saying it because he was enraged and wanted to offend the people involved/filming him without his consent.

There's no clear picture because you don't know what kicked things off, the only thing you know is that both parties were angered by each other, and that the white guy was likely pissed at the two black girls because of the shit one of them was saying on the bus.

The fact is nobody watching the video have enough evidence to prove anything, so why must anybody act like they can accurately assess exactly what was going on?
 
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Saren is Bad

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nib95 said:
Lol...yes...obviously the bag wasn't the black guys lol. What I meant was, the camera women stealing the guys bag isn't really that heinous given that he just had a fight with her mate. Hell, if the White guy really did start this whole malarkey with a racist comment about shoe shining as the video interview suggests, if I was the friend of the black guys I'd probably do a bit more than just "steal his bag" (which I wouldn't do) anyway.

Old man needs to learn that, that kind of old fashioned mentality doesn't cut it any more. Just as the Black guy needs to learn not to be so damn hot tempered or let the words old some old buffoon affect him. He did after all move away from him, should have ended there really.
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I agree with your last statement, but the black man was not the witness' friend, they didn't even know each other.
 
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Dark Octave said:
Good points and I'm not here to argue. Somehow I just doubt what you're saying though. Had the black guy been sporting a gray beard and the white guy was the younger of the two, it would not have been "old guy". He would have been "old black guy" by most people here.
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I don't want to start anything with you, lol, but just curious - if someone referred to both of them as black guy and white guy, would you find the same offense? Just curious, I find the easiest thing to describe the two are their skin colors...it doesn't get more cut and dry than that,
 
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nib95

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Saren is Bad said:
I agree with your last statement, but the black man was not the witness' friend, they didn't even know each other.
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The women filming refers to the Black guy by name. So the women filming (who stole the bag) clearly knew the Black guy. The women in the video interview doesn't refer to the Black guy by name, rather just as "the black guy". Which makes me believe the women in the video interview wasn't the same women who filmed the entire scene/stole the bag?
 
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Dark Octave

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Saren is Bad said:
I don't want to start anything with you, lol, but just curious - if someone referred to both of them as black guy and white guy, would you find the same offense? Just curious, I find the easiest thing to describe the two are their skin colors...it doesn't get more cut and dry than that,
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No I wouldn't take offense. Describing them both by race is all good and fair. It's a descriptor and it works. It's just sad when your encounters with black/white/Mexican/Asian ect... people in your life are so rare, the only descriptor for them that you can come up with is their race.
 
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nib95 said:
The women filming refers to the Black guy by name. So the women filming (who stole the bag) clearly knew the Black guy. The women in the video interview doesn't refer to the Black guy by name, rather just as "the black guy". Which makes me believe the women in the video interview wasn't the same women who filmed the entire scene/stole the bag?
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And what name is that?

People lie.
 
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Duki

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stole the bag my ass, prolly just kept it to give to the police or w/e. why the fuck are you all so fixated on that bag anyway.
 
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Dark Octave

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Duki said:
stole the bag my ass, prolly just kept it to give to the police or w/e. why the fuck are you all so fixated on that bag anyway.
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She should have shown herself walking away from the bag as the police escorted them off the bus. But in that situation, you aren't thinking like that. The bag was probably full of dirty underwear and socks anyway.

I gotta give it to the guy for defending himself though. He shouldn't have been arrested for that.
 
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I NEED SCISSORS

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Duki said:
stole the bag my ass, prolly just kept it to give to the police or w/e. why the fuck are you all so fixated on that bag anyway.
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She [whoever was talking, not necessarily the camera girl] explicitly said that they were going to look through it. Whether they actually did is irrelevant - what's clear is that her intentions fucking suck. Add it to the racist goading and it only paints a negative picture.
 
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Dark Octave

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I NEED SCISSORS said:
She [whoever was talking, not necessarily the camera girl] explicitly said that they were going to look through it. Whether they actually did is irrelevant - what's clear is that her intentions fucking suck. Add it to the racist goading and it only paints a negative picture.
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I think it was the girl sitting next to her that suggested looking through the bag. The camera girl just sat it down.
 
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harSon said:
The Black guy is 50 years old, the fight was a relatively old man "assaulting" an even older man.
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The guy may be 50 years old (he would look very young for his age), but I doubt it.

Personally, I think he just said he was 50 years old as a kind of bluff/joke in response to the older guy stating that he's 67 years old.
 
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Dark Octave

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-COOLIO- said:
17 years is still a huge gap
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Not saying that size determines the better fighter, but I think the size difference trumps age in this situation. Dude was huge. When he hit him with that Kimbo Slice KO flurry, it was a wrap.

Still, the guy standing up should have won for the simple fact that he was standing up and was in a better position to start with.
 
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S1lent

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Dark Octave said:
Not saying that size determines the better fighter, but I think the size difference trumps age in this situation. Dude was huge. When he hit him with that Kimbo Slice KO flurry, it was a wrap.

Still, the guy standing up should have won for the simple fact that he was standing up and was in a better position to start with.
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Well he decided to stand there and hold the rail like a dumbass.
 
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vas_a_morir

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Duki said:
stole the bag my ass, prolly just kept it to give to the police or w/e. why the fuck are you all so fixated on that bag anyway.
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It's because of the "Go through dat shit" comment. That is what gets the attention, because it is so trashy and wrong. It was that other woman that said it, but it certainly puts the thought in our head, especially since for a second, it seems like she is digging around the top of it.
 
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ssoass said:
The guy may be 50 years old (he would look very young for his age), but I doubt it.

Personally, I think he just said he was 50 years old as a kind of bluff/joke in response to the older guy stating that he's 67 years old.
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This. There is no way that guy is 50. He looks to be around the late 20s early 30s area. 40 tops, I'd say.
 
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NTyme

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neorej said:
So white people quoting Dr Dre lyrics are not being racist? They are just quoting a song?
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the Pinky quote had nothing to do with race in the movie though, the character of "Pinky" was black "Say it again!" was the line he was popular for.
 
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MisterNugNug said:
Its amazing to me. I wonder what she was thinking? She got on a bus (minding her own business) and after a youtube video, she's now an Internet Meme. How does that feel?:lol
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something tells me that she's completely unaware that some dudes on the internet have spent the day talking about her.

"call a ambalamps" is totally my favorite meme of the year so far.
 
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He is 12 years older than Jared Leto...................
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Believe it and there is no reason for him to lie maybe round up from 48.
 
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bangladesh said:
This. There is no way that guy is 50. He looks to be around the late 20s early 30s area. 40 tops, I'd say.
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Black don't crack. He definately gave off the "older black dude who is about 10 years behind on the hip hop trends" vibe. I bet he still rocks Fubu an Lugz.
 
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RBH

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So this about the "I am a Motherfucker guy" on the Oakland bus. I saw this cat that day. Here's what he was up to just before the incident:

So I'm waiting on the NL bus to San Francisco on the corner of Fruitvale and MacArthur in East Oakland (not ghetto East Oakland). It's a good neighborhood. Anyway, it's a beautiful day and I had to go to work. So I arrive at the bus stop at 1:35pm. The bus leaves at 1:45pm. The weather is gorgeous. Not a lot of people out. A sleepy day.

There are three Mexican kids at the bus stop as well. The kind of kids that try so damn hard to be street but just can't quite pull it off: "nigga" this, "nigga" that, "ya feel me". It was funny, yet a little sad. So out of nowhere I see this cat in a Santa Claus Silver beard come bombastically walking towards the bus stop. This cat was LOUD. He walks up to the kids and it looked for a second as they might have been getting off on the wrong foot but it was just that they were got a kick out of his "I am a Motherfucker" shirt. When I saw it, I laughed too.

IAAMF guy pulls out a pack of generic menthol 100's cigarettes and gives one to the 3 Mexican kids to share. Then he puts on a show. He telling everybody how hard he is (in a funny/jovial way). I believed him. He's yelling how he got his ass beat by 6 Black guys in Chicago for wearing an A's hat. It was in the bathroom and while he was pissing, he got hit over the head with a bottle. He also talked about the time he got beat up by the cops in NYC and that's why he was yelling at the "pig" OPD who was across the street in his patrol car. The Mexican kids were loving it.

I kinda was too.

He then goes on about how "high" he is and that he just "smoked some of the best shit in town". Then he talked about (when I say "talk", I mean very loud almost yelling) wanting to get "some pussy". I laughed and he walks over and gives me a high five. He goes on to say that he's hung like a mule and that "even guys want to suck my dick". I believed THAT.

This is all great street theater.

So it's about 3-5 minutes before the bus comes and he spots this cat across the street. This guy is a famous shoe-shiner in the City. I know the guy. IAAMF guy yells and runs across the street. He almost got killed in the process as he didn't look both ways and seriously ALMOST got hit. I'm thinking this guy really is a MOTHERFUCKER. Apparently IAAMF didn't have enough money for the $4 transbay fare (I know, rip off) so he got some cash from shoe-shine guy. I guess they "go back 20 years man".

That Brown Bag that you see on the bus that the ghetto kids say "let's go through it" was actually IAAMF guy's buddy's bag. Yes he had a friend. His friend never said a word and he didn't have his bus fare either. So when the bus came IAAMF guy couldn't get on it.

My guess: They scrounged some bus fare and hopped the next bus.

In closing, in The Town you have a lot of these young/not so young black kids that fuck with white people on the bus. Not just any white guy but white guys that seem vulnerable to them. Just the other day there was this guy that looked like Tug Speedman's character in Tropic Thunder. The mentally challenged guy. He got fucked with on the bus. It wasn't cool. There is also a "slow guy" that's a neighborhood guy whom I've seen get fucked with. I think this guy and his crew thought IAAMF guy was an easy target too hence the "beat his white ass" remark. You never know who you're fucking with. That cat had it coming to him.


Thanks for your time,
Chuck
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http://deadspin.com/5474034/bus-fightin-man-already-an-oakland-legend?skyline=true&s=i


Holy fuck.
 
Coolio McAwesome

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Dark Octave said:
Also, I gotta get this off my chest. Fuck you guys talking about "black guy" and then turning around and defining the white guy as "old guy" because we all know good and well that if it was a younger white guy who got into it with an older black guy, it would be "black guy" and "young guy". As if the white guy is "normal" so there is no need to define him by race. Just think about what the fuck you're saying is all I'm saying.
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That's completely ridiculous, and I'll tell you why:

The reason why this incident is getting so much attention has less to do with the fact that a white man beat the shit out of someone and much more to do with the fact that an old guy beat the shit out of someone. For most people, the guy's age is a much bigger part of this story than his race was, and his Santa-esque beard is his defining feature. For this reason, it makes sense to define him as "the old guy" rather than "the white guy" when talking about this incident. Most sensible people will agree that "old guy" is a completely appropriate label in this instance. I, myself, have defined the old guy as "the old guy" on numerous occasions because I feel that's the best description for him. Most people would agree with me, and there's a reason why the Internet has chosen the name "Epic Beard Guy" for him.

Just because I choose to define the old guy by his age doesn't mean I have to come up with an age-related description for the other man involved. The reason why people aren't using the term "young man" to define the other person involved is because it simply wouldn't be an appropriate label. Calling a 50-year-old man "young" would be a misnomer of sorts. It still makes perfect sense to refer to him as "the black guy," however, because that happens to be a completely reasonable and accurate description of him.
 
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Dark Octave

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weekend_warrior said:
ITT- calling a black guy black makes you a racist.
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Don't get out of hand with this thing. Nobody is calling anyone racist.

I don't have the energy to rewrite everything I posted on this very page. Just read the rest to see where I'm coming from. If you still don't agree, we're still cool. No worries. Thanks for keeping it respectful.
 
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