Dark Octave
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Well, I guess we can confirm one Gaffer who is also an avid poster on Youtube.Saren is Bad said:
It must suck not being able to fully let loose here like you can there though huh?
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Bus Fight: Old White Guy V.S. Young Black Guy in an Arguement Over Racism
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It must suck not being able to fully let loose here like you can there though huh?
weekend_warrior
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harSon said:
17 more pages incoming...
My stance is they're both assholes, but obviously the black guy comes out looking worst due the fact that even though both were trash talking and throwing deliberate "Dems fightin' words" at each other, the older guy was able to back up his talk with his fist(as well as being attacked first, and being, y'know...older).
That said, stop with the selective defense just to fortify your own biases. So...old dude gets a pass for the "chinaman" remark because "Oh, he's just old, y'know, that was the norm to say in his day, old habits die hard", etc? Ok, by that same token, he knew EXACTLY what his shoe shine and "boy" remarks would mean to the black guy. He can't both be old enough for one remark to just be "dyed in the wool", yet also be innocently oblivious to how racially charged his other remarks were.
That said, stop with the selective defense just to fortify your own biases. So...old dude gets a pass for the "chinaman" remark because "Oh, he's just old, y'know, that was the norm to say in his day, old habits die hard", etc? Ok, by that same token, he knew EXACTLY what his shoe shine and "boy" remarks would mean to the black guy. He can't both be old enough for one remark to just be "dyed in the wool", yet also be innocently oblivious to how racially charged his other remarks were.
weekend_warrior
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Since when is calling someone "boy" a racist remark? I mean seriously wtf? I'm 25 and I occasionally call younger co-workers "boy" just because I'm older and I fucking can.
SapientWolf
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I've seen this scenario play out dozens of times. It was more about pride than race. Basically, neither man wanted to look like a punk. Most times guys will just push each other and make a big show or whatever but there are certain people you just don't test. They are just wishing and hoping that you'll put hands on them so they can punch your face in.OmniGamer said:
Dark Octave
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Also, I gotta get this off my chest. Fuck you guys talking about "black guy" and then turning around and defining the white guy as "old guy" because we all know good and well that if it was a younger white guy who got into it with an older black guy, it would be "black guy" and "young guy". As if the white guy is "normal" so there is no need to define him by race. Just think about what the fuck you're saying is all I'm saying.OmniGamer said:
And sorry about all the cussing. I just got finished watching Donny Brasco. Good movie.
Saren is Bad
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Zeliard said:
Good one.
Dark Octave said:
While I'm scared of how much defense there is of some pretty blatant racist actions, I don't agree with you here. Old is used because it's the best descriptor of the old guy. He's got a giant Santa beard for christ's sake. If he weren't so damned old it would be white guy and black guy.
Also, the black guy wasn't actually young. Avoiding calling him the black guy in this video is just going out of your way to not look racist. It's not racist to use the most obvious physical difference to describe somebody.
water_wendi
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Its all about how you use the b-word.. the word "boy" is inherently racist against black people.. "boyee" is a different story.
I can't tell whether the Black guy deserved it completely or not, because just as he could have been stereo typically "gansta" the White guy has that stereo typical racist potential also. Guess we need to know what happened before this video started rolling. But for some reason, it actually looks like the White old man may have instigated it. The Black guy to begin with just looks genuinely upset/annoyed at something the White guy (who to begin with sounds smarmy and cocky) said. The black guy just randomly saying something about "spit shining shoes" doesn't make sense at all even if the old guy did say "you offered", and all those who think it sounds plausible are imo fooling themselves.
If I had to guess what happened prior to the video, it would be something like...
"Move your fucking foot out the way old man"
"Why, you wanna spit shine em?"
Or something of the sort.
More annoying however, were the dumb bitches (at least one of them) who was egging it on. If it weren't for her I doubt the Black guy would have even threw that first punch (which was bang out of order).
If I had to guess what happened prior to the video, it would be something like...
"Move your fucking foot out the way old man"
"Why, you wanna spit shine em?"
Or something of the sort.
More annoying however, were the dumb bitches (at least one of them) who was egging it on. If it weren't for her I doubt the Black guy would have even threw that first punch (which was bang out of order).
Saren is Bad
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OmniGamer said:
But seriously, while the guy comes off as a racist, I seriously doubt he used "boy" as a fucking insult. I mean this guy was a crazed bastard and the worst thing he could think of was "boy"? Are you kidding?
This been posted?
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/2/17/interview-with-girl-who-filmed-epic-beard-man-1734964
This for real?
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/2/17/interview-with-girl-who-filmed-epic-beard-man-1734964
This for real?
water_wendi
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OmniGamer said:
Its about how the word is used and it applies to anyone. A younger or same age person calling you boy is a demeaning thing to a man since i guess their maleness is challenged. Older people calling others boy or kid doesnt have as much weight because, well, they are youngins compared to them.
I NEED SCISSORS
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Dark Octave said:
I think you're trying to find racism in places where there is none. They're descriptors, nothing more.
And...while I hate the movie..."chinaman" was used insultingly by Ludacris' character towards the end of the movie "Crash". Just to use a recent example of such an "archaic" term. I'm surprised that the fact that it isn't as neutral a term as "englishman" isn't common knowledge.
hulkamania-owns-you
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Nice jab and kick to the mailbox. Very inspirational.
Don't underestimate old war vets that boxed, nor chubby russians like fedor is what I have learned
Don't underestimate old war vets that boxed, nor chubby russians like fedor is what I have learned
Shawsie64 said:
If that's true, it basically re-affirms my initial sentiment that the White man instigated it. Basically one of those old fashioned racist ancient twats who are bitter about the rate of change and stir shit. Lucky for him he can fight, and lucky for him the guy he started trouble with unfortunately fits the hot headed stereo typical temperament of so many Black youths.
Count Dookkake
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Saren is Bad
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nib95 said:
This is the same woman who said "Beat his white ass" and proceeded to steal the bag of the man after the fight...
Saren is Bad
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nib95 said:
Did you watch the fucking video?
Saren is Bad
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nib95 said:
I apologize, I forgot this tidbit, but yes I know, look at the video posters' other videos. She put up another video recently and it is the same woman as the Break video.
I <3 Memes
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nib95 said:
Well then you are guessing wrong. If that's how it happened then why would the white guy say "You offered"?. Then when the black guy says "I didnt offer shit" the white guy looks confused and asks him to repeat what he said when he passed by him.
I'm not trying to excuse the white guy because there is really nothing to excuse for either of them. Somebody said something that was misunderstood. Shit blew up. Neither side was going to back down by that point. Happens everyday.
The only people that need to be ashamed of themselves is the woman filming it and her friend. They are both scum.
Saren is Bad
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nib95 said:
Alright, even if you take out those comments (even though I still believe she said them), she still stole the damn bag.
On watching both the video interview and original video again, can someone please confirm whether I'm wrong in thinking Saren is Bad is talking out of his ass and making shit up trying to defend the White guy? The women in the video interview does not sound like the same women who said "Beat his White ass up". Who has a much more wheezy and grouchy sounding voice (this is stamped home when she moans and talks later too, where it's even more glaringly obvious it isn't the same women as the one in the video interview). She can't be the girl who said "It ain't worth it Blake" either as she refers to Blake as "The black guy", i.e, not on a personal level unlike in the video recording.
Honestly, I can't stand racism apologists who stoop so far as to lie and make shit up in defending people. WTF man...
Honestly, I can't stand racism apologists who stoop so far as to lie and make shit up in defending people. WTF man...
nib95 said:
Its the same person. Watch the video closely and when she's saying it, the camera starts shaking when she says "Beat his white ass". She's starting to get pumped up herself and she's beating the back of the bus seat while she's saying it, thus causing the camera to shake. Its around the 1:16 second mark.
Schrade
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You guys.. read the thread. All this stuff has been posted since last night along with the picture of the girl who called the old guy pinky and said beat his white ass. (Not the girl behind the camera - it was her friend)Shawsie64 said:
People keep coming into the thread saying "This posted?!>??!?" without even looking. Just scan a bit and you'll see they were posted already.
Nah, you're jumping to conclusions. It's all been hashed out already in the thread. Don't take what the girl says in the interview video as fact as much of it was lies or mistruths because if you compare what she says to the original video things just don't match up.nib95 said:
Saren is Bad
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nib95 said:
Chill, to me it sounds like she says it. Anyways, how do you defend her taking the bag? It's funny out people stoop to levels to find racism in fucking everything.
Spirit of Jazz
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nib95 said:
Are you sure the white guy meant for his comments to be racist?
It's so stupid to act like you're 100% sure of what happened in regards to what caused this bullshit. You're as ignorant as the people posting Youtube comments and on 4chan if you believe you know either man was in the right or wrong given you're missing half the conversation/argument.
Even then how can you judge if the chinaman comment's due to ignorance or because of norms imprinted within him throughout his young life? How can you say that the black guy should be cool with an old person saying something he perceived to be racist, or be aware that epic beard man's comments could possibly be down to some form of mental illness?
The funny thing is the man that walks away gets attacks and proceeds to floor the assailant. The appealing thing is the divine Amber Lamps.
MisterNugNug
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Wes said:
Its amazing to me. I wonder what she was thinking? She got on a bus (minding her own business) and after a youtube video, she's now an Internet Meme. How does that feel?:lol
Saren is Bad said:
The girl who was behind the camera took the bag (naturally as she was clearly friends with the guy who got beaten up). Not exactly a "heinous" act to be fair given the circumstances. So are you telling me that the girl who filmed the original video was the one in the video interview on break?
timetokill
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harSon said:
True, it could've been a Chinaman that punched him down, it don't matter
Spirit of Jazz said:
Obviously we can't know for sure, but we do have common sense. And spit shine, chinaman, boy, cotton picker (etc) all lead to a pretty clear picture that the old man likely was racist. Remember, ignorance is not as excuse and however you slice it the amalgamation of those things certainly constitutes the notion of racism at least on surface value.
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