Bush urges gay marriage ban enshrined in Constitution

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Saturday backed a resolution to amend the Constitution to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman even though the idea has little chance of being passed in the Senate.

"Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and a wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society," Bush said in his Saturday radio address. "Marriage cannot be cut off from its cultural, religious and natural roots without weakening this good influence on society."

Democrats say Senate floor time is being wasted on the issue, and accuse Republicans of making a pre-midterm election appeal to social conservatives whose votes were key to Bush's re-election.

This November, initiatives banning same-sex marriages are expected to be on the ballot in Idaho, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia and Wisconsin.

"Sadly, President Bush is playing election-year politics with this divisive issue," the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said Friday. "He is shamelessly using this ploy to energize his right-wing base. We should never rewrite the Constitution to enshrine intolerance."

The White House said Bush did not devote his radio address to the issue or decide to host a presidential event Monday to again endorse the amendment because it is politically expedient, but because there's a vote on it scheduled next week in the Senate.

"On Monday, I will meet with a coalition of community leaders, constitutional scholars, family and civic organizations and religious leaders," Bush said in urging Congress to pass the amendment and send it to the states for ratification. "They're Republicans, Democrats and independents who've come together to support this amendment."

The amendment would prohibit states from recognizing same-sex marriages. To become law, the proposal would need two-thirds support in the Senate and House, and then would have to be ratified by at least 38 state legislatures.

Bush said the amendment would fully protect marriage from being redefined, while leaving state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage.

It stands little chance of passing the 100-member Senate, where proponents are struggling to get even 50 votes. Several Republicans oppose the measure, and so far only one Democrat -- Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska -- has said he will vote for it.

Acknowledging that emotions often run hot in this debate, Bush urged calm.

"As this debate goes forward, we must remember that every American deserves to be treated with tolerance, respect and dignity," he said. "All of us have a duty to conduct this discussion with civility and decency toward one another, and all people deserve to have their voices heard."

David Buckel, Marriage Project director of Lambda Legal, a national organization working to protect the rights of lesbians, gay men and others, said the amendment would be damaging to the lives of same-sex couples and families, which raise millions of children.

"It would brand lesbian and gay men as legally inferior individuals," he said. "It would write into the supreme law of the land that this group of people are inferior and when it's the law, it's a message to everyone else in society that they have license to discriminate."

In his radio address, Bush struck back at judges who have overturned state laws similar in intent to the proposed legislation.

"Unfortunately, activist judges and some local officials have made an aggressive attempt to redefine marriage in recent years," the president said.

Bush said there is broad consensus in America to protect the institution of marriage.

Voters in 19 states have approved amendments to their state constitutions that protect the traditional definition of marriage, he said. Moreover, he said, 45 of the 50 states have either a state constitutional amendment or statute defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
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Had to post this to make sure we all remember what's important.

NEVER FORGET!
 
Archie said:
Why is gay marriage such an important issue again?
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Because it's icky, obviously.

Oh, and it's ruining "family values".

Oh, oh, and don't forget if we let gays **** each other, soon they'll be ****ing animals! We simply can't have that.
 
Archie said:
Why is gay marriage such an important issue again?
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It isn't. Oh wait, it's important to Republicans for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it. Oh yeah, they're assholes.
 
I don't understand the logic behind this. I don't care who's ****ing who, so long as it's not me. It's none of my business to tell people who they can marry.
 
"As this debate goes forward, we must remember that every American deserves to be treated with tolerance, respect and dignity"

How the hell can Bush say that with a straight face while promoting an amendment promoting discrimination? I seriously have a hard time fathoming the amount of hypocrasy all of these hateful idiots spout. The contractions in these juxtaposed ideas is mind boggling.
 
Drensch said:
Because there's an election. And that's what can get his irrational supporters out.
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OH YEAH What about this new propaganda movie with Al Gore in it it's an attempt to get his irrational supporters out omg al gore is propaganda master111

Global warming is a non issue and we must stop the gays from marrying, did you think that maybe God is angry at the gays and he's heating up the earth.

you damn liberals are so out of touch with heartland values
 
Dan said:
I seriously have a hard time fathoming the amount of hypocrasy all of these hateful idiots spout.
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They're Republicans, hypocrisy comes naturally to them. But remember, only Democrats are flip-floppers.
 
Dan said:
"As this debate goes forward, we must remember that every American deserves to be treated with tolerance, respect and dignity"

How the hell can Bush say that with a straight face while promoting an amendment promoting discrimination? I seriously have a hard time fathoming the amount of hypocrasy all of these hateful idiots spout. The contractions in these juxtaposed ideas is mind boggling.
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I guess what he's saying is that there are nice ways to tell whole groups of people to go fukk themselves as long as they don't marry each other as a result.
 
Right now there's a lot of upset married gay people in Canada just because Harper is having an 'open vote' on Bill C38, which made Gay Marriage legal last year, since he's honestly trying to REPEAL the right to same sex marriage.


By the way, if you want to shut someone up who's against gay marriage, try arguing it as a gender rights issue rather than gay rights. :)
 
I can't believe that this ploy has and will worked for the republicans - there is no way in hell they really give a shit about the issue, its obvious, they just need an easy way to show the poor masses that they are on their side while they continue to **** the world over.

Republican voters are a mass of intolerant hicks, and they continue to give power to the corrupt. Infukkingsane.
 
F*** Bush (says a candian who has Bush Jr as his leader).

Who really cares. If two gays want to get married, let them. Who is anyone to keep them from being happy.

I have no problem with gays having marriage rights.

For all those religous types, its not up to you to judge. Let them be happy. If, in the afterlife (if there is such a thing), its banned, leave it to those folks to figure it all out. Let those to want to be happy, be happy. Don't worry about it. If you follow all thats in the bible (and lets face its, most hardcore folks pick and choose what they want to believe) its not up to you at the end of the day.

To summarize, respect your God (who ever it is) and at the end of the day, if you are right, you are in. In the mean time, leave everyone else alone.
 
Once gay marriage becomes pervasive in this country, what's to stop people from marrying goats? Or fish? Or ****ing horses? Really, the line has to be drawn somewhere!
 
I don't see why two straight people of the same sex can't get married. Expand this from a gay issue to a freedom issue for all Americans and we might see our way out of this nonsense.
 
garth2000 said:
F*** Bush (says a candian who has Bush Jr as his leader).

Who really cares. If two gays want to get married, let them. Who is anyone to keep them from being happy.

I have no problem with gays having marriage rights.

For all those religous types, its not up to you to judge. Let them be happy. If, in the afterlife (if there is such a thing), its banned, leave it to those folks to figure it all out. Let those to want to be happy, be happy. Don't worry about it. If you follow all thats in the bible (and lets face its, most hardcore folks pick and choose what they want to believe) its not up to you at the end of the day.

To summarize, respect your God (who ever it is) and at the end of the day, if you are right, you are in. In the mean time, leave everyone else alone.
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ok, so is it ok if I marry a lamp post? It makes me happy, sure does.

Don't call it a marriage, call it some union or whatever.
 
the chew said:
ok, so is it ok if I marry a lamp post? It makes me happy, sure does.

Don't call it a marriage, call it some union or whatever.
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Excuse me? Nah, it's a marriage. Not a ****ing union. A MARRIAGE. Accept it. What a condescending thing to say.
 
the chew said:
ok, so is it ok if I marry a lamp post? It makes me happy, sure does.

Don't call it a marriage, call it some union or whatever.
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you need a lesson in analogies, as you're obviously failing. it would've been slightly better had you gone down the tried-and-true Santorum argument equating homosexual marriage with bestiality.

homosexual marriage = human/lamp post marriage?

seriously, i mean this truly - you're a ****ing idiot.
 
A good letter sent to CNN:

Of course now is the time for President Bush to back the ban on gay marriages. Iraq is secure, so are our borders, the government is prepared for hurricane season, no rogue nations are trying to develop nuclear weapons, gas prices are stable, personal income far outpaces inflation, and we're enjoying a time of peace and prosperity. Obviously, there's nothing else he needs to concentrate on right now.
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This administration is so incredibly transparent. When things aren't going the right way use: 9/11, terrorrism, family values being destroyed by gays.
 
I've yet to encounter a rational reason to not allow gay people to get married and am forced to conclude that it is bigotry.

Referring to Rick Santorum's attack on homosexual sodomy in which he lumped it in with bestiality and incest David Cross replies,
"Incest? Incest. Come on, man. Isn't that -- well, let's ask the girl who was raped by her father. Hey sweetheart, what was it like when your father was holding you down and raping you? (in little girl's voice) 'Ooo, it was gross! It was like two guys making out!' Okay, alright, I gotcha. Well, maybe Rick was right."
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If this comes even f'n close to making it in to the Consitution.... <sigh> I will have lost even the small % of hope I have for this country.... 2/3rds of the Senate? Ha. no chance.

<hopes, silenty crying inside >
 
mac said:
I've yet to encounter a rational reason to not allow gay people to get married and am forced to conclude that it is bigotry.
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Beyond blind obedience to holy scriptures, the rationale for the ban is, I think, an attempt to keep the nation off that slippery slope into moral decay, to not turn America into an Athens or a Rome from ancient times.

A marriage ban won't make gays disappear, but these people (conservatives, religious folks) think state approval will not only encourage gays, but also other groups to pressure society and government to accept deviant behavior. They're choosing to make this as a last stand to fight for old fashioned values.
 
Instigator said:
Beyond blind obedience to holy scriptures, the rationale for the ban is, I think, an attempt to keep the nation off that slippery slope into moral decay, to not turn America into an Athens or a Rome from ancient times.

A marriage ban won't make gays disappear, but these people (conservatives, religious folks) think state approval will not only encourage gays, but also other groups to pressure society and government to accept deviant behavior. They're choosing to make this as a last stand to fight for old fashioned values.
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or they're ploy to put imigration on the forefront for their political agenda this year has gone sour with even the GOP devided and unable to figure what to to about it so now they've moved to plan B, lynch they gay. I'm gonna love how they'll somehow portray them as terrorists too.
 
thefit said:
or they're ploy to put imigration on the forefront for their political agenda this year has gone sour with even the GOP devided and unable to figure what to to about it so now they've moved to plan B, lynch they gay. I'm gonna love how they'll somehow portray them as terrorists too.
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Don't confuse what politicians use for political gain and what the base wants the government to do on moral/social issues.

Millions of voters put that president in office to tackle gay marriage, among other social issues.
 
Wafflecopter said:
Excuse me? Nah, it's a marriage. Not a ****ing union. A MARRIAGE. Accept it. What a condescending thing to say.
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The problem with calling it gay marriage is that a lot of people (incorrectly) assume that its a religious thing, and not a legal thing.

Legally, i totally agree that anyone should be able to marry anyone else (though no children please).

Religiously, if a religion says being gay is 'wrong', then they are intollerant and its their problem, you cant force those relgions to change their point of view, only educate people into seeing that they are misguided. I dont see why any gay person would want to be part of a religion that dictates that their sexuality is 'wrong' anyway (though many apparently are).

So i agree with the poster that the solution is to seperate the religious and legal acts of marriage into two clearly defined acts, stop all the confusion and seperate the 'no ****ing way' camp into the homophobic tossers and the people who simply think gay marriage is firmly against their religious beliefs (Theres probably only a slight distinction between the two groups, but i believe it is a distinction).
 
What this calls for is a copy of the educational cartoon about the Constitution that replaced Itchy and Scratchy in "The Day The Violence Died".
 
mugwhump said:
Can I marry my mom?
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"Depends. Are you her son or daughter?"
 
Instigator said:
Beyond blind obedience to holy scriptures, the rationale for the ban is, I think, an attempt to keep the nation off that slippery slope into moral decay, to not turn America into an Athens or a Rome from ancient times.

A marriage ban won't make gays disappear, but these people (conservatives, religious folks) think state approval will not only encourage gays, but also other groups to pressure society and government to accept deviant behavior. They're choosing to make this as a last stand to fight for old fashioned values.
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Like I said above.
 
why must every gay marriage thread devolve into Iraq, bestiality and lamp posts? you guys are becoming way too predictable.
 
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