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BushCo: Damn, I guess we were wrong!

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Who knew? Anyway, Iran thanks you, Bush administration. Saved them from "some hard work."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300853_pf.html

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The Bush administration is significantly lowering expectations of what can be achieved in Iraq, recognizing that the United States will have to settle for far less progress than originally envisioned during the transition due to end in four months, according to U.S. officials in Washington and Baghdad.

The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy, a self-supporting oil industry or a society where the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges, U.S. officials say.

"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."

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"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic," said another U.S. official familiar with policymaking from the beginning, who like some others interviewed would speak candidly only on the condition of anonymity. "That process is being repeated all over."

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"The most thoroughly dashed expectation was the ability to build a robust self-sustaining economy. We're nowhere near that. State industries, electricity are all below what they were before we got there," said Wayne White, former head of the State Department's Iraq intelligence team who is now at the Middle East Institute. "The administration says Saddam ran down the country. But most damage was from looting [after the invasion], which took down state industries, large private manufacturing, the national electric" system.
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Obviousy, this "senior administration official" is a pinko liberal commie.
 
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Heh. You're preaching to the converted now Incog.

We've already booted out the few members that would argue against or spin this kind of evidence...

And sadly, the Bush administration knows that they've got the reds so blinded with jingoism that they can now afford to release statements like this to the public and have them only hit the 'converted'... i.e. the lefties.
 
typhonsentra said:
No, this liberal pinko who leaked this info.
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Its okay not to believe either extreme. The positive or the negative. They are both likely wrong in some or many ways.

And pinko? this isn't circa "red scare" USA
or the FREEP

edit: didn't see pinko appeared in the first post, I apologize if that came of as edged at you and you were just being sarcastic.
 
"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic,"
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Er...there's a difference?

Anyway, this probably isn't the right time to gloat...but like Stinky on the Chappelle show said, fuck it.

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America. America. America F@#k Yeah.
Comin' again to save the motherf@#king day, yeah.
America, f@#k yeah!

Freedom is the only way, yeah.
Terrorist your game is through
'cause now you have to answer to America, f@#k yeah.
So lick my butt and suck on my balls.
America, f@#k yeah.

What ya gonna do when we come fo' you now?
It's the dream that we all share, it's the hope for tomorrow.
F@#k yeah.

McDonalds, Wal-mart, the Gap, baseball, NFL, rock and roll, the internet, slavery, F@#k yeah, f@#k yeah.

Starbucks, Disneyworld, porno, valium, Reebok, fake tits, sushi, Taco Bell, rodeo, Bed
Bath and Beyond.

Liberty, waxed lips, the Alamo, Band-Aids, Christmas, immigrants, Popeye, Democrats, Republicans, sportsmanship, books.
 
wait we are pullin out in 4 months?


you know its sad but I begining to forget what america was like before terror this and goto war that




*looks at iran*



goddamn it....
 
*sigh* Will someone just impeach the bastard?
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No. He would have to cheat on his wife first.

Apparently, lying about cheating on your wife is worse than lying about a reason to justify the deaths of countless soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians.

God bless the USA. ::barf::
 
Alright back up here, who the hell thought that any Iraqi democracy wouldn't take the form of an Islamic republic?
 
Azih said:
Alright back up here, who the hell thought that any Iraqi democracy wouldn't take the form of an Islamic republic?
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I saw this documentary on dutch television, aaaaand it was like these people telling stuff and they said the US department of defense (or it could have been some other department, maybe the pentagon or something) was working on the constitution or at least figuring out how Iraq could be a democracy and they were like it's definately not going to work and they all realized that. Sooo they just gave up and stuff but then Bush came along (or Rumsfeld) and he was like oh of course it can work and this work that was meant for these guys (that came to the conclusion that democracy = no go in Iraq) was given to some other guys that were totally unrealistic.

So. Yeah. Good job. Morons.

Of course, if a Bush supporter would've seen that documentary before the administration's confession, they would've obviously dismissed it without a second thought and give Bush they're unconditional praising. Ah yeah. Gotta love those rightwingers!
 
Well a nation can be a democracy and an Islamic republic at the same time. Especially in a nation that's what, 95% muslim?

But who the hell thought it'd be a *secular* democracy?
 
Diablos said:
No. He would have to cheat on his wife first.

Apparently, lying about cheating on your wife is worse than lying about a reason to justify the deaths of countless soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians.

God bless the USA. ::barf::
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Seriously.... it's crazy.
 
Ruzbeh said:
*sigh* Will someone just impeach the bastard?
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Hate to correct your shattered world view but President Bush hasn't committed an impeachable offense yet. You clearly aren't giving the Democrats in Washington enough credit if you think that wouldn't have already done it if they could.

Diablos said:
No. He would have to cheat on his wife first.

Apparently, lying about cheating on your wife is worse than lying about a reason to justify the deaths of countless soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians.

God bless the USA. ::barf::
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There happens to be an important legal distinction between lying under oath and the typical misrepresentation of the truth that all politicians are guilty of. One of them is an impeachable offense and one isn't. I'll leave it at that.
 
Zaptruder said:
Heh. You're preaching to the converted now Incog.

We've already booted out the few members that would argue against or spin this kind of evidence...

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I need say no more.
 
loxy said:
Hate to correct your shattered world view but President Bush hasn't committed an impeachable offense yet.

[...]

I'll leave it at that.
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There are only two ways to interpret lies; as truth, or as a lie.

I'll leave it at that.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Well, not so much, directly, I guess. Bush lied (blatantly, imo) and he can get away with it. That just sucks.
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Yeah, but lots of politicians lie. The only question here is, did he commit a crime by doing so? Unfortunately, for the people opposed to the Bush administration, the answer is a firm no.
 
Ruzbeh said:
Well, not so much, directly, I guess. Bush lied (blatantly, imo) and he can get away with it. That just sucks.
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Too bad he didn't say it under oath. Ah legal stuff. Anyways how about high crimes? Thank goodness I'm not a lawyer.
 
loxy said:
There happens to be an important legal distinction between lying under oath and the typical misrepresentation of the truth that all politicians are guilty of. One of them is an impeachable offense and one isn't. I'll leave it at that.
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Letting soldiers and civilians die >> cheating on someone

I don't give a damn if Bush wasn't under oath. Doesn't change the fact that what he did was immoral and wrong. When soldiers are dying, innocents are dying and you are making the United States look like more and more of a joke to the world every day, you hurt families in both countries, you hurt the US's image, and you're playing with fire in Iraq. He lied, man. A lie is a lie. Under oath or not. If you lie to your boss at work, just because you aren't under oath, do you think you're going to get away with it if he figures it out? Absolutely not.

And the situation should be no different for George W. Bush.
Ditto for Cheney and his corporate scandal.
Ditto for Rove and his manipulation of journalists.
 
Diablos said:
Letting soldiers and civilians die >> cheating on someone

I don't give a damn if Bush wasn't under oath. Doesn't change the fact that what he did was immoral and wrong. When soldiers are dying, innocents are dying and you are making the United States look like more and more of a joke to the world every day, you hurt families in both countries, you hurt the US's image, and you're playing with fire in Iraq. He lied, man. A lie is a lie. Under oath or not. If you lie to your boss at work, just because you aren't under oath, do you think you're going to get away with it if he figures it out? Absolutely not.

And the situation should be no different for George W. Bush.
Ditto for Cheney and his corporate scandal.
Ditto for Rove and his manipulation of journalists.
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Sorry but that's not how America works.

I respect the United States Constitution and I think we would be less civilized if we ever did what you are suggesting here but hey, that's just my opinion.
 
loxy said:
Sorry but that's not how America works.

I respect the United States Constitution and I think we would be less civilized if we ever did what you are suggesting here but hey, that's just my opinion.
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There's nothing that comes off as being less human and civilized than the way George W. Bush is acting. I guess you support double standards and backstabbing. Maybe you should move to China.
 
loxy said:
Sorry but that's not how America works.

I respect the United States Constitution and I think we would be less civilized if we ever did what you are suggesting here but hey, that's just my opinion.
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Why not disregard the constitution in this case?

I mean, BushCo has been blatantly disregarding the constitution with the Patriot Act...
 
Diablos said:
There's nothing that comes off as being less human and civilized than the way George W. Bush is acting. I guess you support double standards and backstabbing. Maybe you should move to China.
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Aren't you taking this a little too personally?

Why are you accusing me of double standards and backstabbing? I'm telling you the truth.
 
loxy said:
Hate to correct your shattered world view but President Bush hasn't committed an impeachable offense yet. You clearly aren't giving the Democrats in Washington enough credit if you think that wouldn't have already done it if they could.



There happens to be an important legal distinction between lying under oath and the typical misrepresentation of the truth that all politicians are guilty of. One of them is an impeachable offense and one isn't. I'll leave it at that.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

In this Democracy, loxy, the ruling party of the House and Senate controls everything from bathroom passes to hearings -- yes, even those involved with impeachment. I don't know if you notice, but Republicans control both of those outlets.

And I can think of one impeachable offense involving Afghanistan, Iraq, and some $80 billion dollars.
 
loxy said:
There happens to be an important legal distinction between lying under oath and the typical misrepresentation of the truth that all politicians are guilty of. One of them is an impeachable offense and one isn't. I'll leave it at that.
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Most "misrepresentations of the truth" don't result in a few thousand US casualties. And some "impeachable offenses" shouldn't be when they deal with private matters unrelated to the job function. I'll leave it at that.
 
The_Sorrow said:
Please give us all your insider info. :lol
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Sorry, I was astronomically off on my number(Was thinking of original war cost). Instead, the number is $700 million.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/main612067.shtml

”Rumsfeld and Franks work out a deal essentially where Franks can spend any money he needs. And so he starts building runways and pipelines and doing all the preparations in Kuwait, specifically to make war possible,” says Woodward.

“Gets to a point where in July, the end of July 2002, they need $700 million, a large amount of money for all these tasks. And the president approves it. But Congress doesn't know and it is done. They get the money from a supplemental appropriation for the Afghan War, which Congress has approved. …Some people are gonna look at a document called the Constitution which says that no money will be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriated by Congress. Congress was totally in the dark on this."
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Insider fo sho!!11
 
I talked about this news today in a chatroom and was laughed at by the words "according to senior officials." Thanks a lot, libural pinko. :(
 
"We set out to establish a democracy, but we're slowly realizing we will have some form of Islamic republic,"
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Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I was screaming this from day one. But my dyed-in-the-wool Republican friends didn't believe me, refused to even listen to my reasoning, and continued the obnoxious levels of flag-waving.

It's sad that so many people have died for this, Iraqis, Americans, and "coalition" members.
 
haha, I had a professor from Egypt who was teaching Islamic Politics, and he basically said about the Iraq war: "If you're going to have a country full of Muslims who hate the United States, and you're going to give them their own government, then of course they're going to make a government that's filled with Muslims who hate the United States!"

Pretty simple logic... I guess Bush and Company never took Common Sense 101 in college.

What a good way to waste 52 billion a year though, hm? It's not like we could have used the money for education or science or anything... WE HAVE NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.

Still, I really pray that we don't leave until we at least set up a working government. We can't just pull out right now...
 
Incognito said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

In this Democracy, loxy, the ruling party of the House and Senate controls everything from bathroom passes to hearings -- yes, even those involved with impeachment. I don't know if you notice, but Republicans control both of those outlets.

And I can think of one impeachable offense involving Afghanistan, Iraq, and some $80 billion dollars.
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Incognito said:
Sorry, I was astronomically off on my number(Was thinking of original war cost). Instead, the number is $700 million.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/15/60minutes/main612067.shtml



Insider fo sho!!11
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I'll bet you creamed yourself when you found this out.

You have no evidence/proof of this ever actually happening.

According to senior officials, I'll leave it at that.



Regarding the Patriot Act. I fail to see how its existance is an indictment of President Bush in any way or grounds for impeachment. I digress. It's a work in progress but as of right now it hasn't been found to be entirely unconstitutional;

"Like Roosevelt’s New Deal legislation, the Patriot Act raises constitutional questions, and like some of the early New Deal Acts, the Patriot Act (or significant parts of it) may be found by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional. Before the ink was dry on the Patriot Act, observers from both right and left ends of the political spectrum had First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Tenth Amendment objections to it. Ultimately, time and circumstances will reveal the efficacy and constitutionality of this Act. "
 
whytemyke said:
haha, I had a professor from Egypt who was teaching Islamic Politics, and he basically said about the Iraq war: "If you're going to have a country full of Muslims who hate the United States, and you're going to give them their own government, then of course they're going to make a government that's filled with Muslims who hate the United States!"

Pretty simple logic... I guess Bush and Company never took Common Sense 101 in college.

What a good way to waste 52 billion a year though, hm? It's not like we could have used the money for education or science or anything... WE HAVE NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.

Still, I really pray that we don't leave until we at least set up a working government. We can't just pull out right now...
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Waste $52 Billion? The whole point was to give his friends a lot of money...Mission Accomplished if you ask me.
 
According to senior officials, I'll leave it at that.
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Someone got OWNED! :lol :lol


EDIT-Kurds will not like Iraq becoming an Islamic Republic. Here's something back in Feb:

"Kurds will oppose setting up an Islamic republic if this question is asked by other political forces in Iraq," Adnan Mufti, a senior member of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, headed by Jalal Talabani, said on Wednesday.
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Fight for Freeform said:
Waste $52 Billion? The whole point was to give his friends a lot of money...Mission Accomplished if you ask me.
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Well first... it was $52B last year. This year its $80B. Get your numbers right! :)

But you do raise a very interesting point. I was at a discussion with some politicians and professors and such, and one person raised the point that possibly what Bush wanted to do with Iraq was three goals: 1) Gain access to middle eastern oil, 2) Delegitimize the UN, 3) Secure re-election. One can certainly make an argument that these were his objectives easily enough, given the evidence, and if one were to support that thesis, well, as you said... he accomplished his goals perfectly.
 
loxy said:
I'll bet you creamed yourself when you found this out.

You have no evidence/proof of this ever actually happening.

According to senior officials, I'll leave it at that.
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Given the usual track threads like this take, I'd put some money down that any "proof" presented to you would just be dismissed anyway.
 
AssMan said:
Someone got OWNED! :lol :lol


EDIT-Kurds will not like Iraq becoming an Islamic Republic. Here's something back in Feb:
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Yeah but considering that they are an extreme minority...WHO GIVES A FLYING DUCK! :p

I mean, if 40%+ Americans were opposed to the illegal invasion, and yet it still happened. Let the Kurds learn about Democracy, the hard way.
 
Diablos said:
Letting soldiers and civilians die >> cheating on someone

I don't give a damn if Bush wasn't under oath. Doesn't change the fact that what he did was immoral and wrong. When soldiers are dying, innocents are dying and you are making the United States look like more and more of a joke to the world every day, you hurt families in both countries, you hurt the US's image, and you're playing with fire in Iraq. He lied, man. A lie is a lie. Under oath or not. If you lie to your boss at work, just because you aren't under oath, do you think you're going to get away with it if he figures it out? Absolutely not.
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You may not but the law does. Clinton lied under oath about his relationship with Monica, that's why he got into trouble.

Most politicians are rat bastard anyways, regardless of political stripe. The GAF horde (simplistic) world view that everything will be better once Bush is gone is nothing more than a Fantasy.
 
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