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[Incognito]

what are you, thick? i know he was impeached. what are you trying to prove? that some renagade holier than thou republicans wouldn't take the chance to impeach evil liberal bill clinton for even the slightest fib?

 

[whytemyke]

And if he didn't lie we'd never know either. It's a point of little significance.

No, it's actually a point of great significance, given the argument at hand whereby people are assuming that he's an outright liar and comparing this to the perjury comitted by Clinton.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

what are you, thick?

"Sanctioned Troll" How true.

 

[AssMan]

Take the test!:


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President Bush has his challenges. He has much a much lower approval rating than Presidents Reagan and Clinton did at the same point in their second terms. On top of that, he faces record gas prices, war protesters near his ranch and struggles with his Social Security plan. How do you rate him? And where does his second term go from here?

 

[Socreges]

Oh yeah, I'm so sorry Socreges. I must have offended your honor.

What?

Now that I requote what you said, I can now SURELY see exactly where I made an inference that you're an outlandish bastard who slams everyone that doesn't see anything the exact way that you do. In my critical reanalysis, I can now see that you have left TONS of room for people to disagree with you without being called a fan of Bush.

No.

I was talking about what that line reflects, coupled with his bizarre reply. This isn't even a matter of disagreement. I mean, I just agreed with him.

And don't talk about other people drawing inferences from your own shit when you're QUOTED as using OTHER PEOPLES SUBCONSCIOUS as a basis for your observation.

So you're denying that people may have an emotional connection to 'The President' or 'The Republican President' that supercedes any practical reasoning? That's what I was talking about.

You're terribly bent out of shape here and I'm confident now that it has to do more with the past. This is ridiculous.

Bush hasn't committed an impeachable offense yet. What is there not to understand here?

I laugh at your inability to accept this.

.....!???!?? This is what I said to you:

"So you disagree that he should be impeached since he hasn't lied under oath, but do you agree that he should take the stand as Clinton did? And if he answered as he usually does (ie, lies), he should be impeached?"

Your reply was neither here nor there. Please answer the questions or just don't bother.

 

[lexy]

.....!???!?? This is what I said to you:

"So you disagree that he should be impeached since he hasn't lied under oath, but do you agree that he should take the stand as Clinton did? And if he answered as he usually does (ie, lies), he should be impeached?"

Your reply was neither here nor there. Please answer the questions or just don't bother.

I'm not going to agree/disagree to anything I haven't already said myself and I'm not going to risk compromising my argument by agreeing to a consensus on a hypothetical point.

You assume so much.

 

[Socreges]

I'm not going to agree/disagree to anything I haven't already said myself and I'm not going to risk compromising my argument by agreeing to a consensus on a hypothetical point.

You assume so much.

Another crafty evasion!

 

[ronito]

Another crafty evasion!

All I need now is a Michael Moore reference and I'll win at "Conservative Bingo!"

 

[Socreges]

Michael Moore sucks and so does loxy for refusing to address my point.

Glad I could be of service.

 

[AssMan]

I just don't get how "Bush supporters" cannot admit they were wrong. I say Bush supporters, because I know a lot of republicans who hate this president. Anyway, we've had proof we went to war on false pretense, even if the republicans bring up "oh WMDs weren't the only issue. There were the other 16 resolutions Saddam ignored, like 600 prisoners not being freed after the Kuwait invasion, or the repression of his own people." Uh, last time I checked, there are other dictators around the world doing that, mainly Africa, N Korea, and Iran. As many said here already, Clinton gets nailed like hammer for cheating on his wife, but that isn't alright according to O Reilly and Hannity. It's okay to start an unjust war, and the leave the country more unstable than when Saddam was in power.

It's so bad that I can't even talk about the war to people, because all they do is blame the liberals for everything.

 

[Triumph]

Define competency.

com-pe-ten-cy, n
1) The state or quality of being competent. 2) A specific range of skill, knowledge or ability.

com-pe-tent, adj
1) Properly or well qualified. 2) Adequate for the purpose. 3) Legally qualified to perform an act.

So looking at competent, let's see: Has the Administration properly handled the problems facing the American people, with well qualified people? Has their performance been adequate for the purpose? Finally, were we legally qualified to perform the act?

I'd like to hear your thoughts about all of those as re: America's invasion and occupation of Iraq.

 

[whytemyke]

So you're denying that people may have an emotional connection to 'The President' or 'The Republican President' that supercedes any practical reasoning? That's what I was talking about.

You're terribly bent out of shape here and I'm confident now that it has to do more with the past. This is ridiculous.

Hahaha, are you even paying attention? Who cares about the past? My point is that you're using other peoples subconscious to try and formulate your own opinion on them and the basis of theirs. Let me put it in legal speak:

Objection your honor... the person in question cannot possibly speak of the state of the subconscious of everybody that speaks an opinion that is only mildly against the President.

Quit assuming things and just acknowledge that your supposed dis to people was totally unfounded and full of shit and we can move on. Or are you going to still try to purport that you can testify to the state of peoples subconscious?

 

[Ruzbeh]

So looking at competent, let's see: Has the Administration properly handled the problems facing the American people, with well qualified people?

Nope.

 

[HokieJoe]

Do you see? That you can't even remember what was lied about... that kind of apathy, ignorance, forgetfulness... it's the kind of stuff that lets Bush get away with been scum of the earth and president of the united states at the same time.

He lied about the war... about the information that they had on WMDs. He assured the american people that they would find, that they were taking actions because they knew that WMDs were in Iraq. He went to war under that pretense.

In retrospect, not only was he poorly informed, unsure that there really were WMDs in Iraq, they've even reneged on the idea that they've actually helped Iraq... which is kinda what this whole debacle switched through half way through... from getting the WMDs to liberating Iraq.

They've admitted they dropped the ball on the WMDs. Now they've admitted that they've dropped the ball on the liberation of Iraq.

The entered on the pretense that this war would save more lives than it would take, lying constantly before the war about how sure they would get WMDs, how righteous it would be to save the Iraqis from their evil dictator.

They've lied about a whole load of other crap, but those are the two biggies.

C'mon Zap-daddy, everyone said that Iraq had WMD. Germany, France, 10 Downing, the CIA, Russia, the UN, Madeline Albright, Dandy Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy all said that WMD were there.

 

[DaMan121]

C'mon Zap-daddy, everyone said that Iraq had WMD. Germany, France, 10 Downing, the CIA, Russia, the UN, Madeline Albright, Dandy Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy all said that WMD were there.

Hope thats sarcasm, because they most certainly did not.

 

[Diablos]

C'mon Zap-daddy, everyone said that Iraq had WMD. Germany, France, 10 Downing, the CIA, Russia, the UN, Madeline Albright, Dandy Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy all said that WMD were there.

(Nevermind that)

Sources please?

I recall some people saying Saddam could potentially be a THREAT.

I recall Bill Clinton on Leno or Letterman saying Saddam "is a problem" and "something needs to be done" but he never said he was 100% certain he had WMD.

 

[DaMan121]

(Nevermind that)

Sources please?

I recall some people saying Saddam could potentially be a THREAT.

I recall Bill Clinton on Leno or Letterman saying Saddam "is a problem" and "something needs to be done" but he never said he was 100% certain he had WMD.

Yep, I remember the consensus was that the inspectors should be able to do their job - which led to Powel flying to Europe and trying to convince everyone that Saddam was gonna nuke London and take over the world *rolleyes*

 

[Zaptruder]

C'mon Zap-daddy, everyone said that Iraq had WMD. Germany, France, 10 Downing, the CIA, Russia, the UN, Madeline Albright, Dandy Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Henry Waxman, Nancy Pelosi, and Ted Kennedy all said that WMD were there.

And they all got their information from where? The Bush administration you say?

 

[Deku]

You guys? What now? I agree that they completely miss the point, but you just became way too intense over it.

You agree but you find time to flame the people you agree with. How about using your brain to stop your knee jerk responses because someone don't share your anti-Bush views to the T.

Listen, my post was more concerned with the people that dance around the OT defending Bush for the most bizarre reasons (honestly, Deku, your intense response to everyone was so suspect), but always place a disclaimer that "Hey, I don't actually like Bush" despite their posts often implying otherwise. Now, Deku, maybe you don't apply (in such a case, my apologies for including you), but at that moment I couldn't have passed up the opportunity to make that comment.

So you're now also admitting to a witch hunt which whytemyke called you out on in his posts preceding mine because apparently you think in Black and Whites and I might be one of those people who dance around OT defending Bush just because I sing a different tune. I also happen to have a brain and would prefer well reasoned positions rather than parroting a partisan line or a knee jerk "Bush sucks" response to every anti-Bush post. Sucking can actually come in many different flavours.

And for your information, Bush doesn't need defending, but I do think most of the posts on the first page were borderline hilarious in their excellence at MISSING THE POINT of whatever the posters are croaking about.

I don't really care if you think I apply to your black and white boxes or not, I do think you made some rather regrettable comments which shows the true colors of your personality, mainly, you view the world in stark blacks and whites just as the person you claim to despise. I find that ironic and funny at the same time.

And with that, I'm quite happy that there are at least two other posters on GAF OT who has posted in this thread that actually get what I'm trying to say.