But I don't wanna be a pirate!

Power Pro

Member
I'm really into physical game collecting. For the past few years I've been big into Nintendo Switch game collecting. Starting to reach saturation on what Switch games I want physically, but I still will get some new stuff for a couple more years probably.

Lately I've been looking to expand my focus on systems to collect for, and I've been feeling some nostalgia for the PSP and Vita systems. More so the PSP because I always just liked the games themselves. The cases, games still came with manuals, and UMDs were kind of a cool format for a portable. Small, but not too small like Switch and Vita. I had some digital stuff on both platforms from previously owning them, but honestly...if I go through official means, it is soooo cumbersome to try to redownload anything you may already own, even just DLC. The download speeds are so slow, sorting through purchased items is almost 1500 for me because you have to go through all PS3, PSP and Vita purchases when you look at your download list on either platform.

Where does this leave me? well, to even just get the stuff I own, the most ideal to try and reinstall them on new hardware is with custom firmware. I've been buying physical games because that's what I wanted to start doing, collect for the platforms (mostly PSP). Holy crap though, they made it so easy and so tempting to just download and install any game on these platforms with CFW. It's nice from a preservation perspective, but Valve is so right when they say that piracy is a services problem. They don't make accessing things you own any easier, and in the case of older systems, just let them age and rot.

7ceaa5b5-a5be-48e3-a879-0c1b746b9b7b_text.gif


People always talk like "i don't condone piracy" yadda yadda because they don't wanna get in trouble, but truth is so many people actually just do it. When I came to decide to collect for PSP and Vita, I was hoping to join like-minded communities, but much talk about either of these systems online is all about people bootlegging the games. I joined communities and discords for these systems, and most of it is just people who pirate. Very few actual physical game collectors. It's kinda sad that that's the state of any platform. Sony and Nintendo need to waste less money on lawyers to sue people distributing these games, and more on keeping the games on their old platforms alive.

I love what modern Atari is doing where they actually release new consoles that play Atari 2600 and 7800 cartridges. Why can't these much richer companies ever do something similar? Release some kind of device, even if it's just for enthusiasts and only sold online or something, as long as it's something that still plays the older games in their collections. It's crazy that this kind of stuff doesn't happen. What do you all think? is that too much to ask?
 
I guess no one wants to, but it's more about the time and the place that we live

and modding is also a great thing that is not piracy, but you know...
 
Not condoning piracy, but I do find it a bit funny that when I go to work so many people I know have plex servers where they stream shows from. It's all pirated and they don't think twice about it. Music....same thing. Are gamers the only ones that really have a conscious about this stuff?

Personally I enjoy ripping my own physical media and playing the games in emulators. Not completely legal from what I understand, but I don't consider it piracy. Perhaps look into doing that.
 
Not condoning piracy, but I do find it a bit funny that when I go to work so many people I know have plex servers where they stream shows from. It's all pirated and they don't think twice about it. Music....same thing. Are gamers the only ones that really have a conscious about this stuff?

Personally I enjoy ripping my own physical media and playing the games in emulators. Not completely legal from what I understand, but I don't consider it piracy. Perhaps look into doing that.
The main issue are patches and being able to select games on Vita and PSP because Sony's storefront for software redownload is horrible for these older consoles. And they killed off the decent web store a few years back.

Personally I like collecting physical Vita and PSP games as well (for games I like, not in general), but I gave up, and use CFW with SD card in my Vita. I do have pretty much all the games I wanted in physical or digital though.

I really hope Sony will make PSP and Vita games available on the new handheld somehow. I know though it won't happen since "who would want to play old games" and all that.
 
Last edited:
Not condoning piracy, but I do find it a bit funny that when I go to work so many people I know have plex servers where they stream shows from. It's all pirated and they don't think twice about it. Music....same thing. Are gamers the only ones that really have a conscious about this stuff?

Personally I enjoy ripping my own physical media and playing the games in emulators. Not completely legal from what I understand, but I don't consider it piracy. Perhaps look into doing that.
I have noticed that too. It seems some things are deemed okay and some are not. I am sure most creators believe none of it should be pirated.

I am not going to pretend to be innocent in all of it. I used to download TV shows all of the time when I traveled. I had access to the shows but it was easier for me to just download them and bring them with me than rely on cell service to stream them. These days they have made it so easy I don't bother with a plex server or pirating anything. Plus, I am no longer traveling so I always have access to wifi or good cell service. I'm still not going to judge others that do pirate. It's not my fight.
 
Sony is not releasing a new UMD player lol. If you want to pirate just pirate though.
I'm not saying they need to do that specifically. While that would be awesome, they should be looking at ways to make older games more wildly available. They do just barely on PS5/PS4 lately with some PSP games showing up there on the store...but of course they're trying to get you to buy them again, instead of letting people who already bought the damn games digitally download them.

The quantity of titles should be a lot more. They could have also made the Playstation Portal at least work with old PSP games, even if it wasn't a UMD drive, let people download the games they bought.

Edit: also, Sony need to stop acting embarrassed of their older hardware. The PSP games they do have on the store for PS5 now do a terrible job at telling the customer what they even are. They don't say they're PSP games, they just say PS5/PS4. Tekken 6 for PSP is on there, and it has a low star rating because there are some people who legit did not know they were going to get a PSP version of the game, and not the console version. They do a shit job at embracing their handheld that sold over almost 80 million units.
 
Last edited:
The stores aren't open anymore.

If there's no way to give the publisher money for a copy of the game, pirate away. If they wanted you to buy it, they would be selling it.
 
I love modding old consoles and loading it up with classics.
I BE PIRATING

(Just have to get round to playing them... Someday...)
 
Last edited:
The stores aren't open anymore.

If there's no way to give the publisher money for a copy of the game, pirate away. If they wanted you to buy it, they would be selling it.
This might be true of PSP, but the PS3 and Vita stores are still up and running. You can't use a credit card on their storefront, but if you add a PSN card to your account, you can still make purchases. I just recently got Parasite Eve 2 for PS1 on my PS3 because it was cheaper than buying a physical copy at the moment.
 
This might be true of PSP, but the PS3 and Vita stores are still up and running. You can't use a credit card on their storefront, but if you add a PSN card to your account, you can still make purchases. I just recently got Parasite Eve 2 for PS1 on my PS3 because it was cheaper than buying a physical copy at the moment.
My bad, I thought they were all closed now. Sorry the end user experience sucks, but yeah, maybe just use the stores until they close.
 
It would be nice if Sony opened up the PSP store and let you play the games on PS5, sure. But how many people actually want to play these games.... you yourself point out that people were pissed about T6 on PSP. People also whine that the game doesn't have trophies or say stupid stuff like "they should just remake it instead". So I think there are clear market realities here that you are ignoring because you have a very niche interest.

Atari or whatever the hell the current company that calls itself Atari can keep selling 2600 because it's all it has.
 
Last edited:
Not condoning piracy, but I do find it a bit funny that when I go to work so many people I know have plex servers where they stream shows from. It's all pirated and they don't think twice about it. Music....same thing. Are gamers the only ones that really have a conscious about this stuff?

Personally I enjoy ripping my own physical media and playing the games in emulators. Not completely legal from what I understand, but I don't consider it piracy. Perhaps look into doing that.
Netflix really helped drop piracy a few years back, nowadays piracy is coming back
 
It would be nice if Sony opened up the PSP store and let you play the games on PS5, sure. But how many people actually want to play these games.... you yourself point out that people were pissed about T6 on PSP. People also whine that the game doesn't have trophies or say stupid stuff like "they should just remake it instead". So I think there are clear market realities here that you are ignoring because you have a very niche interest.

Atari or whatever the hell the current company that calls itself Atari can keep selling 2600 because it's all it has.
Why does it always have to be an either/or? Why can't they appeal to both markets? Not saying they need to open it up with their biggest budget in the world, but they could be selling products to a subset of enthusiasts? These companies seem so narrow sighted by only going after the big fish, and ignoring all the other fish. That's what I'm saying, the services are not there to make people pay for the products, so piracy is running rampant on the ones who do want it.

The Tekken 6 situation is not just because people hate that version. It's that Sony and Namco put not effort in the game's listing on the PS5 to say it's a PSP version, that's the problem there.
 
Last edited:
Not condoning piracy, but I do find it a bit funny that when I go to work so many people I know have plex servers where they stream shows from. It's all pirated and they don't think twice about it. Music....same thing. Are gamers the only ones that really have a conscious about this stuff?

Personally I enjoy ripping my own physical media and playing the games in emulators. Not completely legal from what I understand, but I don't consider it piracy. Perhaps look into doing that.

Not defending anyone, but up until recently with GamePass, no one makes a dime on a video game until it's sold through to the consumer.

With movies & tv, that shit has been paid for a hundred different ways:
  • Theater tickets
  • Physical media sales
  • Licensing to streaming services
  • Licensing to linear TV
  • Ad sales
A lot of that is also very temporary - if you go to the theater, you see the product once and that's it. If you watch it on Netflix or HBO, you can watch it but it's gone once the licensing deal is up or you cancel subscription.

Not saying I agree, but I can see someone saying "I paid $60 to bring my family to see this in the theater, I've paid my dues and should be able to watch it at home now"

Games on the other hand (until GP) are largely a buy once, play "forever" type thing.

I don't know a soul that pirates music anymore. All the scene sites are dead, and historically when one goes down 2 more pop up but I just don't think there's a market anymore - streaming services are too cheap and too easy. And unlike video services it's not fragmented. Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer all have the same shit.
 
Last edited:
I pirate practically everything except games, but even that will probably change with these fucking prices. Just do whatever works best for you. Don't seek approval from others regarding how you get your entertainment.
 
Personally I don't really have a problem with piracy of old games that are no longer being sold on old systems that are no longer being supported. I don't really give a shit or see much of an issue if you pirate Dark Savior for the Saturn.
If the companies are still offering a legit way to buy/play these games than I do think that's how you should play them, even if it's annoying (like buying games on PSN on Ps3).
 
Not defending anyone, but up until recently with GamePass, no one makes a dime on a video game until it's sold through to the consumer.

With movies & tv, that shit has been paid for a hundred different ways:
  • Theater tickets
  • Physical media sales
  • Licensing to streaming services
  • Licensing to linear TV
  • Ad sales
A lot of that is also very temporary - if you go to the theater, you see the product once and that's it. If you watch it on Netflix or HBO, you can watch it but it's gone once the licensing deal is up or you cancel subscription.

Not saying I agree, but I can see someone saying "I paid $60 to bring my family to see this in the theater, I've paid my dues and should be able to watch it at home now"

Games on the other hand (until GP) are largely a buy once, play "forever" type thing.

I don't know a soul that pirates music anymore. All the scene sites are dead, and historically when one goes down 2 more pop up but I just don't think there's a market anymore - streaming services are too cheap and too easy. And unlike video services it's not fragmented. Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer all have the same shit.

You make some good points, but piracy is still illegal whether it is movies, music, tv or video games. This stuff is monitored (in the US at least) and if you download any of it illegally then you are likely going to receive a nasty email from your ISP saying such and such corporation ratted on you and they will threaten to cancel your service. As for what has already been paid for....if you are pirating then you are not the one paying for any of it. If you buy a used game, the dev gets nothing. Taking your family to the movies doesn't give anyone a license to download the movie from bit torrent or where ever. So I'm really not seeing a big difference when it comes to video games. Especially when we are talking about old games that are not even for sale any more.

Also, I don't get your point that video games are "buy once play forever" but movies, TV, etc. are not? That doesn't make sense to me. People watch the same TV and movies multiple times.
 
Last edited:
Collecting games is cringe. You end up with a giant pile of stuff taking up space in your home that could easily be replaced with a few SD cards.

Also, just use an emulator for anything available.
 
To be fair, it is.
I'm sorry, I don't like being a jerk like that lol, but let me put it another way. I still find digital to worthless. You earn no value from it beyond the privilege of playing it...which is a something, sure, but it's something that you used to get in addition to buying a game.

Here's a screenshot of my collection estimated value on gameye. Not every system I own is on there, but most physical games I have are.

gGcWCwmTtKul37ZM.jpeg


I don't mean to show this to say "look at all how much I'm gonna scalp these games for"...that's not why I collect. I collect because I like doing it. However, this also shows that what I collect does have some monetary value as well. Something that game companies LOVE to take away when you buy digital. I have no intention at this time to sell any of my games, but should a life changing emergency happen...I own things of value that could help me get money.

Another way it can be valuable is I can insure my home, and I can easily say I had $20,000+ worth of video games because that's the going rate on what I own all together. So if a fire happened, I can easily be reimbursed for the loss. With digital, game companies would love to take away your games when they're tired of maintaining their servers as soon as they can get away with it.
 
You make some good points, but piracy is still illegal whether it is movies, music, tv or video games. This stuff is monitored (in the US at least) and if you download any of it illegally then you are likely going to receive a nasty email from your ISP saying such and such corporation ratted on you and they will threaten to cancel your service. As for what has already been paid for....if you are pirating then you are not the one paying for any of it. If you buy a used game, the dev gets nothing. Taking your family to the movies doesn't give anyone a license to download the movie from bit torrent or where ever. So I'm really not seeing a big difference when it comes to video games. Especially when we are talking about old games that are not even for sale any more.

Also, I don't get your point that video games are "buy once play forever" but movies, TV, etc. are not? That doesn't make sense to me. People watch the same TV and movies multiple times.

Will they really still do that? I figured that died out in the 90s/00s. I download a bit from torrents here and there, mainly UHD movies. Basically whenever I buy a UHD and the disc is not pristine enough to backup on my own (maybe like 1:10 times). Because the alternative, which I've done, but grew tired of, is simply return the disc back to Amazon, and re-order it. Then repeat. As. Many. Times. As. Necessary. "Disc does not play in player" So much simpler to just download the remuxed mkv, than deal with returning the disc and repeating. Granted I probably spend ~$1000+ on movies a year (and probably another ~$500 on streaming services). So going after me is just another case of treating your paying customers like criminals.

I also kinda feel like piracy of media took a bit of a backseat to just people posting it for free on YouTube (much like with music, remember when you had to pay for music and you couldn't just get it for free on YouTube). Or people posting videos on Patreon. Or wherever. For like just $1 or $5 you can jump on Patreon and get thousands (if not tens of thousands) of shows/movies "for free" so long as you don't care about listening to some person react to them. I definitely feel like the last time I've ever heard an ISP threaten anyone was like decades ago. They'll try to block sites or take the links away, but beyond that, nope.
 
Last edited:
Will they really still do that? I figured that died out in the 90s/00s. I download a bit from torrents here and there, mainly UHD movies. Basically whenever I buy a UHD and the disc is not pristine enough to backup on my own (maybe like 1:10 times). Because the alternative, which I've done, but grew tired of, is simply return the disc back to Amazon, and re-order it. Then repeat. As. Many. Times. As. Necessary. "Disc does not play in player" So much simpler to just download the remuxed mkv, than deal with returning the disc and repeating. Granted I probably spend ~$1000+ on movies a year (and probably another ~$500 on streaming services). So going after me is just another case of treating your paying customers like criminals.

I also kinda feel like piracy of media took a bit of a backseat to just people posting it for free on YouTube (much like with music, remember when you had to pay for music and you couldn't just get it for free on YouTube). Or people posting videos on Patreon. Or wherever. For like just $1 or $5 you can jump on Patreon and get thousands (if not tens of thousands) of shows/movies "for free" so long as you don't care about listening to some person react to them. I definitely feel like the last time I've ever heard an ISP threaten anyone was like decades ago. They'll try to block sites or take the links away, but beyond that, nope.

Yeah, my son decided he wanted to watch the Star Trek: TNG series a couple of years ago and so he downloaded the series off bit torrent. I received an email from my ISP about it. My guess is most folks use a VPN these days and so this kind of thing is rare, but seems they are still looking for it.
 
Top Bottom