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[Droplet]

I think we all generally think Blarg killed LP.

I'm interested in this supposed third party. I think Blarg killed LP for now, but I'm open to other possibilities.

 

[Sorian]

For example:

Cultist group wants to get rid of Tourist 4 because they think he could have power BUT tourists are kind of on the edge and they think that Tourist 2 could be a cultist.

Cultist 1 would go in and say "Yooo. Tourist 4 has been mighty suspicious just go look at X and Y and compare it to Z. I mean if you guys don't see it then I guess I kind of see Tourist 2 being a cultist so if you don't want to vote Tourist 4 then I'll vote for Tourist 2 with you guys."

They then will see as the tourists point out his flaws that he now fully sees why they should accuse Tourist 2.

This exchange sounds like how we convinced Neuromancer that a day 1 lynch was needed and now I'm leery of people hiding behind their first time player shield.

 

[Never Forever]

One thing I found kind of weird as we got to the nearing of Day 1 was Never Forever. He was like "I don't see a reason to vote for Tucah" and then Votes Tucah without saying anything...

Ahhhh okay, but why would he not go with what he thinks and jump on a bandwagon?

Here we are:

I will freely admit now that I will happily switch to whichever bandwagon leaves Blargonaut alive going into Night 1. If that's Tucah, then so be it.

Two posts later, the standings as posted by Zatoth:

Tucah (4)
Fireblend
Sorian
RetroMG
Blargonaut

Blargonaut (4)
Flame_AC
Matt Attack
Timeaisis
Lord of Castamere

Lone_Prodigy (3)
Rats Off To Ya
Never Forever
Darryl

I wanted Blargonaut to be alive going into Night 1, so I switched my vote to Tucah to ensure that I did my bit to break the tie and up the chances of keeping Blarg alive.

 

[Darryl]

Do you think Blarg killed LP?

I don't want to implicate people. My main reasoning for a third party is the role of our evicted cultist "Ordinary" and the known status Insanity. It has nothing to do with Blarg.

@Sorian. I think the win condition would probably just side with town.

From a quick glance I'm interested in some thoughts from OrangeYouGlad and Cuppanova (their reps?). LP seemed likely to implicate his companions.

 

[RetroMG]

I think we all generally think Blarg killed LP.

I certainly think it's possible, but I also think it's very possible that he's inadvertently covered up the real killer.

 

[Flame_AC]

Maybe, he never had me convinced of actually being a serial killer. I actually expected his target to be you Flame. That was too obvious though so he may have decided to kill of our next highest votee.

Just noticed this, why exactly did you think Blarg / whoever would kill me on the first night?

 

[Sorian]

I certainly think it's possible, but I also think it's very possible that he's inadvertently covered up the real killer.

*ding* *ding* *ding*

This is what I feel happened.

I don't want to implicate people. My main reasoning for a third party is the role of our evicted cultist "Ordinary" and the known status Insanity. It has nothing to do with Blarg.

@Sorian. I think the win condition would probably just side with town.

From a quick glance I'm interested in some thoughts from OrangeYouGlad and Cuppanova (their reps?). LP seemed likely to implicate his companions.

WorthyEdge, you've at least posted a bit. I don't think it was anything too useful but I expect you to keep up your appearances. Darryl's post here is as good a time as any to call out the next person I'm interested in.

VOTE: johnnyquicknives

I'm actually very interested in what you have to say about the thread so far. Orange was in an interesting position IMO and his read could have gone either, unfortunately, his play (or lack thereof) now falls to you.

 

[Sorian]

Just noticed this, why exactly did you think Blarg / whoever would kill me on the first night?

Only Blarg. I thought all of his non-sense about fire and cooking was him trying to point at his first victim which narrowed it to you or Fireblend. Nearing the end, I heavily pushed him to make himself useful and if the choice was between you and Fire then I think most people would have placed Fire as more tourist than you so his choice would have had to have been you to hopefully get us that cult kill that we were hungry for. I did mention that I endorsed his choice of kill as well because I've had my suspicions about you on and off so knowing one way or another would have helped.

Now yes, I know Fireblend did end up dead but the cult didn't kill their own so Prodigy had to have been killed by a third party.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Man. I had a rough night last, just woke up. I need to collect myself.

RIP Fireblend, and Good job Blarg. You have earned 1 more day for sure. I had a feeling Lone prodigy was our best pick yesterday just for how scummy get was acting. We probably would have lynched him tomorrow, but it's nice to have a free solt today, Blarg corrected our mistake.

 

[Sorian]

Alright, so now that I am home and can better process things that have happened, here are my full thoughts on what happened. To be blunt, I don't actually think Blarg delivered.

Fireblend was obviously killed by the cult and Prodigy was killed by a third party. The third party that killed Prodigy reads more like a tourist vigilante than a serial killer. The victim killed was the other player that the town wanted to kill (aside from Blarg) and a good vigilante would go for the next player on the list if the town chose incorrectly. This left them either Prodigy or Blarg. I think, from those who really made their opinions known, there was a pretty even split between Blarg and Prodigy on who people thought should die first. The vigilante probably went with their own preference on that matter.

So why can't the vigilante be Blarg? I guess it could be, Blarg is known for erratic play but this just seems like too much. Everyone saw it yesterday, he was heavily hinting that he was neutral. I know I jumped in to say that he might not be but that was more to stay his execution for one day more than anything else. So if he is neutral, suddenly Prodigy doesn't make a lot of sense. The evidence against Prodigy was about as weak as my evidence against Tucah because it was day 1, why risk his kill on something like that when he could choose something more exciting and possibly be seen in a better light (kind of why I expected him to go for Flame_AC instead)?

I just don't think Blarg performed a kill last night and the way I see it, there could be two reasons why. 1) He isn't a serial killer type role, wouldn't be the first time he hinted at being something he wasn't or 2) (what I feel is more likely) He got roleblocked last night. Everyone knew he would perform an action so someone, cult or tourist, because it could be either side, stopped him from acting. Does this mean there is a vigilante and a serial killer? Maybe, I think there is but if there is only one role making night kills, I think it's a vigilante and it's not Blarg.

So where does that leave us? I think today is the day we kill Blarg. We need to discuss what Prodigy's death means and see if we can link him to any other cultists but, in the mean time, I think we get one free day to kill Blarg and see what information that gets us. Something is up and I don't think Blarg is town so his death might shed some light on things.

My next big post will be about what I find when I try to look at any real connections between Prodigy and anyone else, I have a hunch but I want to actually read some posts and make sure I'm not remembering wrong.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

I probably won't vote for Blarg today because I think he's a Tourist and I'm not in the business of voting for people I think are Tourists. I'm also hesitant to argue too strongly on his behalf, for reasons.

This could all change after we hear from the man himself, but right now I have a suspect. I don't want to show my hand this early, though.

 

[Flame_AC]

I probably won't vote for Blarg today because I think he's a Tourist and I'm not in the business of voting for people I think are Tourists. I'm also hesitant to argue too strongly on his behalf, for reasons.

This could all change after we hear from the man himself, but right now I have a suspect. I don't want to show my hand this early, though.

It's fine if you don't want to vote Blarg, but I'd like to see one thing that makes you think he's a tourist, I simply cannot believe that; though, perhaps you've seen something I haven't.

 

[Sorian]

So I admit that this connection is tenuous at best but I feel it is worth mentioning. At the height of the Prodigy vote, he had 4 people on him: Droplet, Rats, Retro, and Darryl. Droplet was his first vote and Rats was really the driving force that got that ball rolling. I don't think either of them are cult based on that logic. Starting a vote on your own comrade with evidence just seems too risky of a play. For similar reasons, I don't think Darryl is cult either. He went hard on Prodigy and I don't think he ever backed down with his vote. Darryl seems more likely to make a risky play like that and the fact that he kept his vote on when the bandwagon left doesn't necessarily mean much but between that and the item claim, I can't call Darryl cult at this time.

So that leaves Retro, he came onto the votes against Prodigy late. What I was looking for here is if any cultists jumped onto the Prodigy wagon to later jump off when any other option really presented itself because it would look quite good later if you had a vote in on a confirmed cultist. Retro fits the bill for what I was looking for. Last one on and first one off. He did seem to need a little convincing but my argument for Tucah wasn't exactly the strongest and the post that made him switch from Tucah wasn't really super convincing either but he still hopped right off of Prodigy at that point.

Like I said, it's weak reasoning, I fully admit that even after typing it all out but if I had to find a connection between Prodigy and any other player, its to Retro. It seems like something I would do, vote against a teammate to later find a way to switch my vote safely and when it made sense. That being said, I can't vote on something weak like this which is why my earlier post went so much into Blarg, he is a much safer vote at this point IMO.

I probably won't vote for Blarg today because I think he's a Tourist and I'm not in the business of voting for people I think are Tourists. I'm also hesitant to argue too strongly on his behalf, for reasons.

I hope you'll share those reasons before the day is out. If there is a better choice than Blarg, I am 100% open to it. Blarg is like our fall back vote for today, if nothing is really good then that's how we kill. I still want a lot of discussion between now and the day closing.

 

[Flame_AC]

Only Blarg. I thought all of his non-sense about fire and cooking was him trying to point at his first victim which narrowed it to you or Fireblend. Nearing the end, I heavily pushed him to make himself useful and if the choice was between you and Fire then I think most people would have placed Fire as more tourist than you so his choice would have had to have been you to hopefully get us that cult kill that we were hungry for. I did mention that I endorsed his choice of kill as well because I've had my suspicions about you on and off so knowing one way or another would have helped.

Now yes, I know Fireblend did end up dead but the cult didn't kill their own so Prodigy had to have been killed by a third party.

You know, I was actually fearing the same thing myself, glad I'm not the only one who picked up on his threats' themes.

Man. I had a rough night last, just woke up. I need to collect myself.

RIP Fireblend, and Good job Blarg. You have earned 1 more day for sure. I had a feeling Lone prodigy was our best pick yesterday just for how scummy get was acting. We probably would have lynched him tomorrow, but it's nice to have a free solt today, Blarg corrected our mistake.

Here's to a better night.

As some of the others have pointed out, Blarg may not have performed the nightkill, and if he didn't, he's probably dead by the end of the day. Also, it seems as though you're quite disappointed we didn't lynch him.

Spoiler

(Subtle hint to him being a vigilante)

 

[Lord of Castamere]

I see no reason not to kill Blarg today. He took out a Cultist but no way gets that lucky again, or he didn't kill anyone.

Either way, is there a convincing reason to keep him?

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Like I said, it's weak reasoning, I fully admit that even after typing it all out but if I had to find a connection between Prodigy and any other player, its to Retro.

To tease the lead I'm following up on right now, sometimes in this game you have to find where the connections aren't.

 

[Flame_AC]

To Sorian: Don't forget that both you and I also voted for LoneProdigy.

 

[Sorian]

You know, I was actually fearing the same thing myself, glad I'm not the only one who picked up on his threats' themes.

More reason why I don't think he killed during the night, the theme was pretty obvious.

I see no reason not to kill Blarg today. He took out a Cultist but no way gets that lucky again, or he didn't kill anyone.

Either way, is there a convincing reason to keep him?

Well, if he is actually town, that's a good reason right there, I'm just not convinced he is town though.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Hell of a night it's been.

When the ship went down, I was fast asleep. The sounds of the hull crackin' apart woke me up in time to brace myself for the surge of water that came blastin' through my quarters. I braced myself on a wooden cabinet, but it wasn't enough to keep me from bein' swept away in the torrent. I drifted for a full day until it became clear that a rescue wasn't coming, and decided it was time to either get busy livin' or get busy dyin'. I started to swim as soon as dawn broke, and made it as far as my arms could carry me before being left to the mercy of the tides.

Luckily I managed to avoid drownin' and washed up on shore just this morning. Heard some of the folks down by the pier jabbering something about murders and a cult, so I figgered I'd hit you guys up to find out what's been goin' on.

First of all, anyone know what a girl has to do to get a drink around here?

 

[Sorian]

To Sorian: Don't forget that both you and I also voted for LoneProdigy.

True but my vote went on him the same way it went on most people, as a tactic to pressure him. Honestly, I never thought he was cult. As for you, I don't think you were on him during the time where it was most likely that he'd be voted to die? I believe you were on Blarg at that point.

 

[Sorian]

Welcome Scrafty!

Know that I'll probably have a vote for you later but I'm waiting for one of our other new guests to join us.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Well, if he is actually town, that's a good reason right there, I'm just not convinced he is town though.

A town is supposed to bring coherency. No matter what his game alignment is, Blargs alignment is Blarg.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Welcome Scrafty!

Know that I'll probably have a vote for you later but I'm waiting for one of our other new guests to join us.

Heh, you've got spunk. I like you already. Like I said though, I just got here so a vote for me would tragically be a vote wasted.

Speakin' about votes, I overheard some fellas say that a bloke names Blarg is on the choppin' block right now, but judging from what I've heard I think you've got the wrong guy. I mean, I used to know a guy who'd always be speakin' in riddles and the sort, but he wasn't at all dangerous. Could be that he's just using, ah, whaddya call it, reverse psychology to deflect suspicion off of someone else. Mind games or not, only a crummy poker player reveals their hand early, right?

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Mind games or not, only a crummy poker player reveals their hand early, right?

That's were you've got it wrong Scrafty. Blarg is more of Blackjack player... and he always hits on 20.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

That's were you've got it wrong Scrafty. Blarg is more of Blackjack player... and he always hits on 20.

Ha! I like that.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

That's were you've got it wrong Scrafty. Blarg is more of Blackjack player... and he always hits on 20.

Sounds like the kinda guy you want to have on your side in case things get rough. And I mean, even if he is a wild card, doesn't that make him as muchuva target for those wacko cult guys as it does the resta us? Maybe it'd be best to see how things play out, and leave it to the other guys to take him out if they really think he's a threat.

 

[Flame_AC]

See, I would say Blarg is the type of player to go All In on a pair 4. Then, as the bets go around the table, he'd laughably shout I've got you all beat. That's Blarg.

 

[Sorian]

Heh, you've got spunk. I like you already. Like I said though, I just got here so a vote for me would tragically be a vote wasted.

Speakin' about votes, I overheard some fellas say that a bloke names Blarg is on the choppin' block right now, but judging from what I've heard I think you've got the wrong guy. I mean, I used to know a guy who'd always be speakin' in riddles and the sort, but he wasn't at all dangerous. Could be that he's just using, ah, whaddya call it, reverse psychology to deflect suspicion off of someone else. Mind games or not, only a crummy poker player reveals their hand early, right?

It's alright, you'll learn my vote gets around before settling on my real target.

 

[johnnyquicknives]

Welcome Scrafty!

Know that I'll probably have a vote for you later but I'm waiting for one of our other new guests to join us.

Hey there!

Feel free to leave your vote on me because I won't do a full post until tomorrow: it turns out that properly reading and thinking about 1200 posts takes me way longer than I thought it would. I skimmed the end of day 1 and jumped ahead to day 2.

Bittersweet night; losing a doc sucks but killing a cultist on night 1 is amazing. Where I left off reading day one I was surprised people were switching away from LP, he kind of seemed the best option, but my opinion on that might change once I see what swung the vote towards Tucah.
Blarg is a difficult one since his play style masks a lot and, as in Star Wars, I can understand why people vote for him. I'll be going back to look at his posts because so far I kinda glossed over them because I knew they would require more analysis.

The insanity cube is interesting, gonna be pretty hard to deduce whats going on in this game for at least a couple more phases I think.

 

[Droplet]

Sounds like the kinda guy you want to have on your side in case things get rough. And I mean, even if he is a wild card, doesn't that make him as muchuva target for those wacko cult guys as it does the resta us? Maybe it'd be best to see how things play out, and leave it to the other guys to take him out if they really think he's a threat.

I'm not sure I entirely believe it, but it seems that Blarg may have some ability that makes him immune to night kills. In that case, the only way to kill him would be through us voting for him. Personally, I'd like to see one more night with him alive, but I can understand where the people who want him gone are coming from. Talking about him feels like it's muddling up conversation, and I'd rather see more interest in LP's modicum of activity if Blarg won't make any posts.

I'd recommend you skim through the thread if you can, but I can understand that 1300 posts is a lot.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

I'm not sure I entirely believe it, but it seems that Blarg may have some ability that makes him immune to night kills. In that case, the only way to kill him would be through us voting for him. Personally, I'd like to see one more night with him alive, but I can understand where the people who want him gone are coming from. Talking about him feels like it's muddling up conversation, and I'd rather see more interest in LP's modicum of activity if Blarg won't make any posts.

I'd recommend you skim through the thread if you can, but I can understand that 1300 posts is a lot.

Don't worry, I've already done my homework. Took a while to get caught up, but I think I've got a good idea of what's goin' on around here.

It's gonna take me a bit more deliberatin' before I decide on who I wanna vote for today, but I already have a few names in mind.

 

[Sorian]

You guys are killing me, I think 3 of you have said you have theories but no one is giving us material. Bring it detectives.

 

[Flame_AC]

My probe on LoC isn't producing what I had originally thought it would, though I'll still air my results.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

My probe on LoC isn't producing what I had originally thought it would, though I'll still air my results.

I'm not a vigilante, if that's what you're thinking.

 

[Flame_AC]

So towards the beginning of the Day, I was looking through people who had suggested we move on from LoneProdigy. LoC stuck out to me as he appealed to everyone's guilt instead of any sort of solid reasoning. I grant him the fact that this is nearly impossible on Day 1, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.

Spoiler

This post exists, partially, as I said earlier that I'd make it on him, and I didn't want to dissapoint.

Below is his post, just to remind everyone:

Further probing of Lone Prodigy is good, but I think he and Necro are just new. I'd like to not repeat the last two games on lynching inexperienced, and/or overly defensive, players out of the gate. If possible. Two times now, and all it's accomplished is souring the player off from returning. Neither were Mafia, and this is looking to be an extremely similar situation, but the town does what the town does I guess.

It's nice to see Nin1000 engaging today, and Retro surpassed my expectations with his response. Uhhhh, we still need to hear from the inactives but my suspicions have been sated for the most part. I'll read over everything again, and see if something sticks out.

Yes, it would.

He states, on a meta-level, that we should discourage lynching people who are overly defensive or perhaps slip-up. Now, I agree that slack should be given, but that if someone is clearly tipping off a lot of people's scum radar, it might be best to lynch that person. You likened the case of LoneProdigy to that of Neuromancer, and unfortunately I the cases were different. I'm pretty sure we'd all agree that Neuro made a newer-person mistake in advocating a No Lynch, but he relented his position once the case was presented to him. In the case of LoneProdigy, people still pointed out that he was being overly defensive and aggressive, yet he stuck to his guns.

It is for this reason why we passed over Neuromancer and yet, even at Day's end, there was a shot at lynching LP. I suppose the reason I'm making this post about you is because of the way you defended him, not by saying he made a mistake or whatever, but that we shouldn't get him because he's new. You also brushed off your share of the potential burden by saying "the town does what the town does". If you wanted to protect him, make a case for his defense or against a more appealing target.

All things said, I think you are a Tourist. You've made some other great contributions to the discussion.

Spoiler

Besides, the blame for the whole LP/Tucah thing is Sorian anyways.

 

[Darryl]

I probably won't vote for Blarg today because I think he's a Tourist and I'm not in the business of voting for people I think are Tourists. I'm also hesitant to argue too strongly on his behalf, for reasons.

This could all change after we hear from the man himself, but right now I have a suspect. I don't want to show my hand this early, though.

Since we found a cultist I'd be willing to hear out arguments implicating another based on his behavior. I'm not gonna vote Blarg because witchcraft and riddles! It seems like a waste when we have legitimate leads.

 

[Sorian]

Spoiler

Besides, the blame for the whole LP/Tucah thing is Sorian anyways.

Yes it is and I fully take responsibility. I made that post at the time because I was worried we'd kill a power role. I had no idea, I'd be dissuading us from killing a cultist.

 

[Sorian]

Since we found a cultist I'd be willing to hear out arguments implicating another based on his behavior. I'm not gonna vote Blarg because witchcraft and riddles! It seems like a waste when we have legitimate leads.

Same, as I said, Blarg is my go to if no one can make a compelling case one way or another. I will add that I have made a claim against Retro so I'd expect to be hearing from him at some point on the matter.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

He states, on a meta-level, that we should discourage lynching people who are overly defensive or perhaps slip-up. Now, I agree that slack should be given, but that if someone is clearly tipping off a lot of people's scum radar, it might be best to lynch that person. You likened the case of LoneProdigy to that of Neuromancer, and unfortunately I the cases were different. I'm pretty sure we'd all agree that Neuro made a newer-person mistake in advocating a No Lynch, but he relented his position once the case was presented to him. In the case of LoneProdigy, people still pointed out that he was being overly defensive and aggressive, yet he stuck to his guns.

It is for this reason why we passed over Neuromancer and yet, even at Day's end, there was a shot at lynching LP. I suppose the reason I'm making this post about you is because of the way you defended him, not by saying he made a mistake or whatever, but that we shouldn't get him because he's new. You also brushed off your share of the potential burden by saying "the town does what the town does". If you wanted to protect him, make a case for his defense or against a more appealing target.

I disagree fundamentally with several things here.

1: I advocated not lynching Lone Prodigy under the grounds that he was a new player still grasping the game. As I said, we policy lynched first day "I don't like you blah blah" in both games I played last, and both times it was a townie. I didn't want to see that happen again. I feel I was still correct about this. His first post was a bandwagon. That's a bad play regardless of alignment. BUT yes, I realize Lone prodigy never learned. He kept posting reactionary responses and refused to give reads. I said in my last read list that he was probably our best shot Day 1, but if he rebounded I felt he'd be more use to the town than a completely inactive Tuach.

2: Neruo was the exact same situation, except he posted reads and fell off the map after. He learned, true, and I noted that as well.

Lone_Prodigy-I originally thought this was new player jitters, and it still might be, but with every post he's digging that hole to China. Might be our best D1 choice.
Neuromancer- Cleaned up his act. Has turned around but needs to be watched just in case

 

[Sorian]

I'm going to go to bed but I just wanted to leave this here as a possible talking point while I'm gone.

You responded to my accusation by voting for me. Seems defensive to me.

My reasoning is simple: you revealed you had a fancy item that no one could disprove, but people felt it didn't seem like non-town behaviour so you were let off the hook. You then proceed to bandwagon Coppanuva and bark at OrangeYouGlad (for the record, I agree with your Droplet vote). That's aggressive and unhelpful behaviour, seemingly the result of you being clean. The vote for me was icing on the cake. Retaliatory, bandwagon, or reckless? Suspicious and unnecessary.

Being unpredictable and unhelpful puts you in Blargonaut territory, and we can see what happens in that case. We already have one loose cannon and don't need a second one.

I voted for you because your item reveal put you in a more pro-town position, which may have led to your aggressive behaviour. With your influence you could lead the town astray.

I took a read through all of Prodigy's posts and this is the only time he defended anyone. He was responding to Darryl here so he wasn't so much defending them as using them to try to appeal to us that Darryl acts like an ass sometimes (like we needed evidence of this) but I did find it a little odd that he felt the need to throw in that he felt the Droplet vote was good but didn't like the Coppa vote. A few of us did have suspicions of Coppa on day 1 and that could very well be something worth revisiting.

Spoiler

<3 you Darryl

 

[Coppanuva]

You guys are killing me, I think 3 of you have said you have theories but no one is giving us material. Bring it detectives.

Took me a while to get back, but my theory revolved around this mysterious item, I was hoping whoever had it could tell us if any of the powers had been used from it or not (assuming the possessor gets an indication).

I was hoping that if a power was used, it might give us a further lead on how someone could kill who isn't blargonaut. Looks like that information won't be coming this soon since the current strategy seems to be "don't say if you have the item until the next day"

 

[Blargonaut]

Previously on LOSS...

Oh, and while we're at it:

VOTE: blargonaut

I'm not fully convinced you're town-aligned. I don't necessarily think you're a cultist at this point, but I'm not convinced you're not a possible third-party.

I'm very much up for switching my vote to someone else if someone can make a reasonable case for them, but at the same time I'm fully willing to tie this so I don't lose a majority vote at this point.

Coppanuva voted to bump off poor, innocent, vulnerable little ol' me yesterday, the big meanie! Here was my reply--

*snip*
At the moment, I understand. Since we've voted for each other, if you wish to arrange a mutual backing-off, just say so.
*snip*

At the moment, I understand. Since we've voted for each other, if you wish to arrange a mutual backing-off, just say so.

just say "so".

Keeping that in mind, let's take a look at Coppanuva's response to my offer~

I'm ok with that. My goal with that move isn't to get you evicted, since I don't think you getting lynched in the first day is a smart move in the long-term. However, I know I am a villager and letting someone I know is a villager get lynched in the first night isn't an ideal move either. If we both renege on our votes we'll be in the stalemate I want to be in, so I'll gladly take your deal.

Unvote: Blargonaut

I'm ok with that. My goal with that move isn't to get you evicted, since I don't think you getting lynched in the first day is a smart move in the long-term. However, I know I am a villager and letting someone I know is a villager get lynched in the first night isn't an ideal move either. If we both renege on our votes we'll be in the stalemate I want to be in, so I'll gladly take your deal.

Unvote: Blargonaut

"so" I'll gladly take your deal.

Unnecessarily re-iterating that you're a villager/Town, and ingratiating yourself to me by acknowledging my secret offer! You're a furtive cultist who is in utter awe of my power and clout and only wants to appease me and the tourists to further your cabal's nefarious plot! You saw the opportunity to do both by seizing my hand, didn't ya?

I saved you from Sorian's ire yesterday, by baiting him off you with an irresistible uguu~ anime GIF after seeing his craving for it written all over his face. He took it, as I expected, and rescinded his vote from you.

But now, I'm cashing in.

I'm really not an early bird advocate myself, but carpe diem and all that--

VOTE: Coppanuva

--and besides, you were all going to do it yesterday anyway. Why lose faith now? :3


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Oh, what's that? You want to talk about last night?

well, I promised two dead bodies, didn't I

And they're there, aren't they? *wipes ashes onto face with one hand*

don't stop never give up hold your head high and reach the top let the world see what you have got bring it on back to you

 

[Sorian]

I saved you from Sorian's ire yesterday, by baiting him off you with an irresistible uguu~ anime GIF after seeing his craving for it written all over his face. He took it, as I expected, and rescinded his vote from you.

Ok, I really am going to bed so I'm not going to post real responses to the last 2 posts until morning but this got me. Irresistible uguu~ GIFs get me every time.

You have explaining to do Blarg, plenty of posts waiting for you.

 

[Blargonaut]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'm not dead.

Evidence of backing-off abounds!

 

[Flame_AC]

VOTE: Blargonaut

I believe we were actually looking for information Blarg, information that you are to provide on a golden platter.

Spoiler

Heading to bed soon, and want to get this in so my position is known. Don't lynch him while I'm gone.

 

[Coppanuva]

Previously on LOSS...



Coppanuva voted to bump off poor, innocent, vulnerable little ol' me yesterday, the big meanie!

VOTE: Coppanuva

--and besides, you were all going to do it yesterday anyway. Why lose faith now? :3


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Oh, what's that? You want to talk about last night?

well, I promised two dead bodies, didn't I

And they're there, aren't they? *wipes ashes onto face with one hand*

don't stop never give up hold your head high and reach the top let the world see what you have got bring it on back to you

Remember, this was to tie it up and save my own skin, you were just the person who had the requisite number of votes to make it a tie.

Anyhow, I'm not voting for you yet. I might, but it's still early enough in the day and I think you have enough to answer for about last night before you get my vote. Nice to see you decided to show up though!

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'm not dead.

Evidence of backing-off abounds!

Eh. You killed someone we were already suspicious of. You gave us a bonus day at best. It's not like you killed a Raindoc or something.

 

[RetroMG]

Same, as I said, Blarg is my go to if no one can make a compelling case one way or another. I will add that I have made a claim against Retro so I'd expect to be hearing from him at some point on the matter.

You did? Must have missed that. I'm about to head for bed and I have to babysit my nieces tomorrow morning. I'll respond as soon as I can.

 

[RetroMG]

Found the post where Sorian points the finger at me. I started further down the page when I came back this evening.

I don't really know what to say to this. I voted on L_P because his bandwagon argument and his posting history (as pointed out by Rats) seemed suspicious. I did feel bad when he accused me of bandwagoning with Rats, but I still felt good about getting rid of him.

Then you brought up Tucah. You had a solid point about L_P being new and inexperienced, which could have explained away his issues, whereas Tucah had gone inactive and, in my mind, should have known better.

In the end, I trusted your analysis of Tucah, Sorian. You seem to be very together in the early game, which is not my strength. I do wish I'd stuck with L_P, but at least it still worked out somehow.

I'll acknowledge that your theory about Mafia voting and then getting off does make sense, although I don't know that I would be willing to try it. It's a risky move, since a bandwagon can happen easily and the town gets more information whenevwr they pin down a mafia player.

But it has happened before, so it makes sense to chase it.

But you are barking up the wrong tree, I'm town.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

I was holding this back for a bit, but if Mr. O'Naut wants to start the party early, far be it from me to be an ungracious guest.

Coppanuva has been doing his best to fly under the radar and appear to us all to be a good little Tourist, but I submit that through a certain gaze his actions appear most suspicious.

Agreed, we should also discount posts from before we started the game, that's all filler as well. As a note I'll likely be relatively quiet until tomorrow, I'm in the middle of traveling and not really at a point where I have stable access to internet. Expect it to change tomorrow.

Right off the bat an attempt to limit the scope of our investigations. Is there something there that Coppa doesn't want us to find? Is he afraid there's something there that we could find? Curious.

Looks like there's some interesting knowledge going on in this game now... I'm not really sure what to make of it all so far.

Mystic Orb: Cool mechanic if it's real. I assume that each power is usable once, making it sort of like the Witch. Though I'm wondering what use that spontaneous combustion power might be. Maybe there's a role that makes sense to use that (similar to the hunter in werewolf, where you get to kill someone when you die)?

Interesting... haven't seen a lot of solid reasons to pick anyone yet though, I'm abstaining from my vote for the time being, though I do plan to vote by day's end.

Here we have some speculation about the Time Cube. Make note of it.

Well this isn't quite what I expected to wake up to, but I can see where you're coming from. Honestly, I haven't seen much that makes me suspicious of anyone in particular yet, which is why I've been relatively quiet so far.

I've been monitoring voting patterns for people who seem to vote in packs, and I haven't quite found one yet. No obvious packs voting, but I'm curious how that plays out closer to the end of the day when cultists are more likely to need to band together to make sure they're protected.

I'll read this more this morning and see if I can get a better logic path going.

If that's the possibility you're hoping for you're sorely mistaken. If a townsperson gets evicted this first day, there's certainly worse choices we could make than me.

I'm still in with the logic that a cultist is likely voting on me at some point, especially now that the count of votes on me is 6. Unfortunately, there's not many consistencies between voting patterns so far, so nothing that pairs 2 people together as constantly voting on people yet...

A suggestion that we should be looking for voting patterns to root out Cultists. Not a bad idea, unless it's coming from a Cultist trying to send us down the wrong path. This will be important later.

Sure, I'll start there, I readjusted your list in order of who I think is the most to least suspicious:

Blargonaut:
I still need to know how Blargonaut gets his info, and I don't think there's a good way to prove it. I'm suspicious of how he determined what to say in his hints, and it's not something I fully trust yet. I'm very curious how good his advice plays out. I'm also curious why he would give us advice that would lead to 2 dead by the end of night 1. He seems to have a lot of information, and it doesn't quite look good (particularly if any of the powers he suggested might exist are single-use).

Lord of Castamere:
I don't like his whole secret puzzle hint with Blargonaut, and I'm suspicious of him based on how he reacted to it. If anything I'm more suspicious of him based on his pairing with Blargonaut (whether he was able to get a meaning from a riddle based on deductive reasoning or a player-ability remains to be seen), but it's not something I'm sure can be taken as not somewhat suspicious.

Darryl:
That item is interesting and seems plausible. I also don't think he's lying about it, especially given that it would lead to a very early eviction against him if nobody else gets it tomorrow. Darryl isn't likely to slip up like that this early on. Town.

Here, after some prodding, Coppa gives his reads from a list that, as LoC put it, was fed to him. I won't belabor the circumstances around the list, but I'll examine the list itself (I've remove three names, which were uncontroversial Tourist reads). More about Darryl and his item, and a casual suggestion that whoever gets it next should definitely claim right away to save poor little Darryl's life.

He also raises questions about Blargonaut and LoC. Now, this isn't exactly damning evidence, because all of us raised questions about Blargonaut and LoC. But if they are truly both Town, as I now suspect, it would be in the Cult's best interest to keep us questioning each other. This post is the second notable indictment of Blarg that we saw in the thread, coming hot off the heels of Timeaisis' earlier post.

I don't see why he would make so many claims that could be easily checked and verified against the second day. He has way too much to lose with his gambles, and I don't see why he would risk it so soon.

That said, I'm not sure I'd want you or Lord out yet either. If you are both town, it seems like losing one of you makes the other much weaker which would suck. I have my eye on you for now.

Boy, he sure seems really interested in that item, don't you think? And so excited about somebody claiming it on Day Two, to boot!

More tying of Blarg and LoC's fates, which is followed up in the next post where he explicitly questions their allegiance:

The reason I sort of backed off is because I'm torn on if Blargonaut and Lord of Castamere's connection is likely to be more beneficial to us or not. when I posted that I initially assumed that anyone not cultist shouldn't be evicted yet, and if we assume LOC's post to be true, Blarg isn't cultist aligned. However, reading it closer...

it sounds more like it's a third-team type of thing. I'm torn between whether or not it would be best to get a third team out of the way, or use their information as best we can early on.

The other possibility is they have a "lovers" role relationship. LOC and Blarg might be linked in a way that the death of one leads to the death of the other, and they may have a separate goal of simply both being alive.

Now here's where I come in.

This was around Coppa's most active period in the thread, and he was good about getting back to anyone speaking directly do him, but I never received a reply to my offer about Prodigy. In fact, Coppa never comments on Prodigy, to anybody. It's almost as if he's being careful not to. As Sorian pointed out, Prodigy wasn't so careful in the reverse, because in the short time we knew him, Prodigy was anything but careful.

Coppa then had the interaction with Blargonaut posted above, and afterward he's a ghost. He had no more votes on himself. Mission accomplished. But wait!

At the beginning of the day I said that Prodigy's unmasking made the Tucah vote more interesting. But looking at the list of votes on Tucah, it's almost entirely names that I read as solid Tourists. Almost entirely.

That's my plan. I'd rather see if he seems to be correct so far then decide what to do. We're early enough that it won't hurt. I think keeping blargonaut alive for the first day will at the very least give us a bit more information than lynching him will. So, in order to help swing the vote away from that in terms of numbers I'm adding a vote to the next highest person.

Vote: Tucah

He says he's voting on Tucah to keep Blarg alive, but somebody else (I'll give you one guess) was in the top three with over two hours left until the deadline. Plenty of time for momentum to shift in a last minute campaign.

And then there's the curious part about his name being the only one that sticks out at me. My initial instinct was that at least two Cultists were involved in the Tucah vote, if not more. But Coppanuva has shown himself to be aware of how incriminating it is to vote alongside fellow Mafia. At the same time, the popular vote at the end of the day is a brilliant place for a single Cultist to hide in plain sight; just one o' the guys. If you can turn the tide away from a compatriot while doing so, all the better!

And that brings us to Day Two.

I was seriously questioning you for a minute there

Good results for the first night, now I have to go look at what Blargonaut's suggestions were and see if that has any impact here...

Agreed here 100%. I want to know if it exists, and if there's any way we can tell if one of the powers was used. I have a theory I'm working on depending on these answers.

Took me a while to get back, but my theory revolved around this mysterious item, I was hoping whoever had it could tell us if any of the powers had been used from it or not (assuming the possessor gets an indication).

I was hoping that if a power was used, it might give us a further lead on how someone could kill who isn't blargonaut. Looks like that information won't be coming this soon since the current strategy seems to be "don't say if you have the item until the next day"

Golly, Blarg sure is still suspicious. By the way, anyone gonna claim that Time Cube?

So, what I'm trying to say is:

VOTE: Coppanuva