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[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[DryvBy]

I swear they're just done with hardware at this point.

 

[FoxMcChief]

I swear they're just done with hardware at this point.

 

[Punished Miku]

I swear they're just done with hardware at this point.

They just put Gamepass on 200 million+ Fire Sticks. They're going to try putting their biggest game on it. It's not rocket science.

I doubt it'll really move the needle much but it's not illogical to try it. I'm guessing they're renting these rights from Ubisoft or something? Such a convoluted deal.

 

[DryvBy]

They just put Gamepass on 200 million+ Fire Sticks. They're going to try putting their biggest game on it. It's not rocket science.

I doubt it'll really move the needle much but it's not illogical to try it. I'm guessing they're renting these rights from Ubisoft or something? Such a convoluted deal.

This is one of many examples where they're saying "Don't buy an Xbox, you have other devices to play this one". I don't think it'll move the needle on GP subs and it it does, I'll appreciate the easy kills while they suffer from added input and network lag.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Not sure if I would want to play CoD from cloud gaming.

 

[Kvally]

I swear they're just done with hardware at this point.

Why not both?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They just put Gamepass on 200 million+ Fire Sticks. They're going to try putting their biggest game on it. It's not rocket science.

I doubt it'll really move the needle much but it's not illogical to try it. I'm guessing they're renting these rights from Ubisoft or something? Such a convoluted deal.

People act like they are trying to force us all onto Firesticks, its just not the case

 

[Ozriel]

I swear they're just done with hardware at this point.

Unless you’re been living under a rock, they’ve been putting first party Xbox games on XCloud for years now, via GamePass

 

[mayham2199]

Nice I guess they were able to buy the rights from Ubisoft.

 

[Ozriel]

Nice I guess they were able to buy the rights from Ubisoft.

They’d have to pay Ubisoft something. Wonder if it’s worth it, Since XCloud isn’t really seeing stellar usage numbers last we heard.

 

[SmurfMustard]

Are people a bit slow today. Nowhere it is said that it will come only to cloud. You can play those games on your XBox, on your PC or if you want through cloud.
All thanks to GamePass. Still the best deal in gaming.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Admittedly it has been a while since I've used Xcloud but playing multiplayer on a cloud stream is pretty awful in my opinion. I've tried this out a few times, but even with a full fibre to the home connection and using ethernet it doesn't feel good enough.

Has this changed significantly enough for playing a very twitchy shooter like this to be viable? Of course this will be person to person dependent.

 

[Mr Moose]

Why would anyone want to play CoD via cloud?

 

[clarky]

Id rather speak to the wife than play COD over the cloud, and thats saying something

 

[Gerdav]

I literally cannot think of a worse game to play via cloud streaming than COD, especially the multiplayer aspect which is the meat of the game.

 

[Three]

"Activision games are even less important for cloud gaming than they are for console gaming because Activision titles, such as Call of Duty are inherently challenging titles to stream. Minimising latency is critical to the gamer experience and high latency can have a significant detrimental effect on the quality of gameplay, particularly for competitive multiplayer gameplay – a central element of the appeal of Call of Duty. []. "

I guess they're knowingly serving their customers slop

 

[clarky]

I literally cannot think of a worse game to play via cloud streaming than COD, especially the multiplayer aspect which is the meat of the game.

Yeah maybe the campaign takes it over speaking to the wife but only just.

 

[Kvally]

Why would anyone want to play CoD via cloud?

I play games via the cloud at work at times.

 

[clarky]

I play games via the cloud at work at times.

Aye not cod though unless you enjoy going 1-45 every game

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So what happened to the UBISOFT requirement?

 

[Mr Moose]

I play games via the cloud at work at times.

MP games like this? It would be fine with single player games but CoD? I can't play CoD on my projector because of the input lag.

 

[SmurfMustard]

I play games via the cloud at work at times.

Same, well not at work, but when I'm not near my TV. Never really had a problem with single player games.

 

[Kvally]

MP games like this? It would be fine with single player games but CoD? I can't play CoD on my projector because of the input lag.

COD campaigns I have done from work. Not much multiplayer because I don't have enough time to commit to rounds. I have done some Warzone though, and it was fine.

 

[clarky]

So what happened to the UBISOFT requirement?

Good point but id expect its not working out for Ubisoft like everything else these days

 

[M.W.]

Not sure if I would want to play CoD from cloud gaming.

Single player sure. No way for MP

 

[DenchDeckard]

I cant imagine anything worse but I get they have to try and push their gamepass subscriptions.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Good point but id expect its not working out for Ubisoft like everything else these days

I mean that's the entire point of calling this "breaking", the whole deal hinged on MS not having these streaming rights

 

[Three]

So what happened to the UBISOFT requirement?

They likely license it from Ubisoft.

I mean that's the entire point of calling this "breaking", the whole deal hinged on MS not having these streaming rights

It wasn't hinged on not having streaming rights. It was hinged on not controlling the streaming rights.

 

[clarky]

I mean that's the entire point of calling this "breaking", the whole deal hinged on MS not having these streaming rights

Yeah I don't get it myself

 

[Matt_Fox]

Every screen is an Xbox...

 

[Mr Moose]

I mean that's the entire point of calling this "breaking", the whole deal hinged on MS not having these streaming rights

This might be US only. I think the Ubisoft thing is for Europe.
Edit: I might be wrong on this...

Ubisoft and Activision Blizzard’s deal for cloud gaming rights, explained

Ubisoft has control of cloud gaming rights for Activision games outside of the EU.

www.theverge.com

Ubisoft must've needed some money lol.

If you’re outside the EEA, then it’s up to Ubisoft which services get cloud streaming rights for Activision Blizzard games, including licensing these back to Microsoft to include in Xbox Cloud Gaming. In theory, Ubisoft could deny Microsoft a license for future Activision Blizzard games, but in reality, that’s extremely unlikely to happen. Microsoft will need to pay a wholesale arrangement fee to license Activision Blizzard games for its cloud services, though.

 

[Three]

Why would anyone want to play CoD via cloud?

You jest but it could be beneficial in the future if there is ever a paradigm shift in how multiplayer games are made. I agree for now cloud gaming sucks but in an online game you deal with ping and latency anyway. It's just hidden from the user by having movement that is temporarily out of sync with the host machine. If in the future a multiplayer game runs on a dedicated server which also renders the game for clients then all players see the exact state of the game even if that state is visibly late on your screen. When you're out of sync with the host currently it just fools you into thinking it's responsive but your actions are out of sync in an online game nonetheless with the same or worse latency.

 

[Punished Miku]

This might be US only. I think the Ubisoft thing is for Europe.
Edit: I might be wrong on this...

Ubisoft and Activision Blizzard’s deal for cloud gaming rights, explained

Ubisoft has control of cloud gaming rights for Activision games outside of the EU.

www.theverge.com

Ubisoft must've needed some money lol.

Ubisoft already said they've made more on this than they spent. It was a ridiculous requirement from the CMA. MS is not even slightly close to a monopoly. Their console position has just gotten weaker, and they still have to pay Ubisoft for cloud rights now when Ubisoft isn't really doing anything or even capable of delivering this product in a compelling way through the cloud. But this is the great solution the CMA envisioned to a non-existent problem. Own the company, pay all the employee salaries to make the product, fund all the cloud infrastructure that's going to run it, but pay Ubisoft for the right to put your own game on the cloud so 100s of millions more people that didn't have access to it before for less than ever, with no system or game purchase even required. Galaxy brain move from the CMA.

 

[ManaByte]

I play games via the cloud at work at times.

I’ve had Fortnite victories on my phone streaming.

 

[Jibran#one]

Why would anyone want to play CoD via cloud?

1. Not home.
2. Vacations
3. work
Etc etc

 

[Three]

Ubisoft already said they've made more on this than they spent. It was a ridiculous requirement from the CMA. MS is not even slightly close to a monopoly. Their console position has just gotten weaker, and they still have to pay Ubisoft for cloud rights now when Ubisoft isn't really doing anything or even capable of delivering this product in a compelling way through the cloud. But this is the great solution the CMA envisioned to a non-existent problem. Own the company, pay all the employee salaries, fund all the cloud infrastructure, but pay Ubisoft for the right to put your own game on the cloud to 100s of millions of more people that didn't have it before. Galaxy brain move from the CMA.

It was a great solution. It prevented MS from controlling the IPs and preventing sales on other platforms (whether cloud, consoles, or other OS) while allowing them to provide whatever they were championing as the consumer pros to owning it. What have you lost as a consumer and not a MS stan?

 

[Punished Miku]

It was a great solution. It prevented MS from controlling the IPs and preventing sales on other platforms (whether cloud, consoles, or other OS) while allowing them to provide whatever they were championing as the consumer pros to owning it. What have you lost as a consumer and not a MS stan?

I didn't claim I lost anything as a consumer. I gained multiple things as a consumer, like greater availability on Nintendo systems, cloud, subscriptions. I can play the game cheaper, and actually just played the campaign for MW3 and it was my first CoD ever. It's literally more available and cheaper.

Paying Ubisoft for cloud rights literally does nothing for consumers. It's a free subsidy for a European developer, nothing more. Its increasing cost to run GP as it already existed. Ubisoft literally isn't even interested in distributing it themselves. They're just collecting a check.

 

[Mr Moose]

and actually just played the campaign for MW3 and it was my first CoD ever. It's literally more available and cheaper.

Terrible campaign. I'd rather play Black Ops 4 campaign (it doesn't have one).

 

[Punished Miku]

Terrible campaign. I'd rather play Black Ops 4 campaign (it doesn't have one).

That's what I was expecting. The others must be incredible because I thought it was really fun.

I don't mind that some levels were just multiplayer stages since I wont be playing that anyway. Made me get a sense of how the game worked. Still some incredible levels like that building straight of the Raid, or the civilian level.

 

[poppabk]

It was a great solution. It prevented MS from controlling the IPs and preventing sales on other platforms (whether cloud, consoles, or other OS) while allowing them to provide whatever they were championing as the consumer pros to owning it. What have you lost as a consumer and not a MS stan?

It was predicated on cloud gaming being a huge chunk of console gaming by now - which was never going to happen and whoever made those predictions would make even Pachter laugh. It also opened up MS withholding the actual games from other platforms because they would still have access to it via streaming.
The CMA obsession with streaming was always ridiculous and missed the actual issues by a country mile.

 

[RoboFu]

Cool
Now all I need is a 4 gig internet connection and WiFi 8..

 

[Three]

It was predicated on cloud gaming being a huge chunk of console gaming by now - which was never going to happen and whoever made those predictions would make even Pachter laugh. It also opened up MS withholding the actual games from other platforms because they would still have access to it via streaming.
The CMA obsession with streaming was always ridiculous and missed the actual issues by a country mile.

I don't think the CMA ever predicted that cloud gaming would be a huge chunk by now. Their prediction was based on a decade or more (15years and not even necessarily overtaking consoles). The cloud rights also didn't open it up to MS withholding the game from other platforms because they included other platforms in it which helped local support too:
"The deal with Ubisoft also requires Microsoft to port Activision games to operating systems other than Windows and support game emulators when requested, addressing the other main shortcoming with the previous remedies package"

 

[mckmas8808]

They are REALLY pushing GamePass huh? Geez.

 

[ManaByte]

They are REALLY pushing GamePass huh? Geez.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They are REALLY pushing GamePass huh? Geez.

I said this in another thread but hear rumblings if this COD push doesn't move the needle for Gamepass like some internal metrics think, there could be some bigger changes coming

 

[Punished Miku]

I said this in another thread but hear rumblings if this COD push doesn't move the needle for Gamepass like some internal metrics think, there could be some bigger changes coming

Joker 2 free perk for GP members

 

[poppabk]

I don't think the CMA ever predicted that cloud gaming would be a huge chunk by now. Their prediction was based on a decade or more (15years and not even necessarily overtaking consoles). The cloud rights also didn't open it up to MS withholding the game from other platforms because they included other platforms in it which helped local support too:
"The deal with Ubisoft also requires Microsoft to port Activision games to operating systems other than Windows and support game emulators when requested, addressing the other main shortcoming with the previous remedies package"

They predicted $11 billion

I don't think the CMA ever predicted that cloud gaming would be a huge chunk by now. Their prediction was based on a decade or more (15years and not even necessarily overtaking consoles). The cloud rights also didn't open it up to MS withholding the game from other platforms because they included other platforms in it which helped local support too:
"The deal with Ubisoft also requires Microsoft to port Activision games to operating systems other than Windows and support game emulators when requested, addressing the other main shortcoming with the previous remedies package"

They predicted up to approx $15 billion globally by 2026 - so in the 5 - 10% range of the global gaming market. Which is a pretty big chunk and almost definitely way way off the mark.
That porting requirement just means that they had to have a way that ubisoft could stream it without having it running on MS hardware or software - doesn't mean they have to release those ports to consumers.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Why would anyone want to play CoD via cloud?

It’s an option. It’s been very reliable for me, so when I travel for work, all I bring is my backbone and I’m good. I’ve played competitive multiplayer games via the cloud and still was on top or near the top.

 

[mckmas8808]

Nah, I'm not talking about the normal "advertising for Gamepass" stuff. They are pushing GP like it's life or death! They giving away too much product at this point. It reeks of desperation.

I said this in another thread but hear rumblings if this COD push doesn't move the needle for Gamepass like some internal metrics think, there could be some bigger changes coming

One wonders what those "bigger changes" can even be at this point.....