Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?

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I don't agree with that either. Just because women are predominately the victims, doesn't to me equate to it being sourced from a general hatred for women. I can't think what about seeing a celebrity naked means you dislike them, in fact, it seems like it's the opposite, people think JLaw is exceptionally attractive, and wish to see her naked. They don't want to see her harmed, or eating from a dog food dish or whatever misogynist imagery people favor. It doesn't seem to come from a place of hatred, rather one of lust. It's certainly related to the objectification of women, but is that in of itself related to 'hating' them?

I think if you believe yourself to be more likely to be a victim of a crime, then you should go to greater lengths than the average person to avoid being a victim. To use the locking the door analogy again. If you live in a middle class neighborhood, but have little to no possession of value, your need for security and insurance is far less than someone with lots of valuables living in a working class neighborhood.

Does that suck? Of course. Is it 'unfair'? Yes. But is it naive to ignore those factors because the crime itself is the bad thing, not your attempt to avoid it? Yes.

Of course the person who did this is the criminal, and he should be punished, but will that change what happened? Will these photos not exist? Will whatever emotional pain this caused these women disappear? Prevention is objectively superior to the restitution after a crime, so people should value the prevention highly.
I'm on my phone so I'll have to be briefer than I'd like.
Your assumption that misogyny must be violent or motivated by hatred is false and minimizes the extent in which our society marginalize and oppress women.
These types of crimes - like revenge porn and the likes, mainly targets women because of how our society treats women and their sexuality. These crimes come from lust, but moe than that from a feeling of being entitled to another person's sexuality - this is violence and it stems from hate or anger or aggression. In any case, feeling that you own a women sexuality to the degree of invading their privacy is misogyny.
 
Pictures of women distributed without their consent.
Yup. A perfect example of people using mental gymnastics to avoid the thought of being compared to a pedophile. They downplay the fact that these photos were 100% not consented to be distributed.
 
Those are not equivalent and you know it. That's like when a guy took naked pictures of Erin Andrews through her hotel door.

This is more akin to a naked photo a girl sends to her boyfriend being shared by someone else besides the two people involved. The picture was not meant for anyone else, but that doesn't mean the pictures were originally taken without consent.

Stealing is wrong in both cases, but I don't agree with your assertion.

Not taken without consent, but distributed without consent. It's still bad. A girl makes a choice to share a photo with her bf, and somehow it's leaked and everyone can see it. Now that girl's pictures are everywhere and is now in the hands of any who want it.
 
It's not equal since the picture was taken without any consent. That's not the case here. That's a clear difference
That doesn't matter at all. Consenting to taking a photo to share with a particular person in absolutely no way grants ANY consent for others to gain access of that picture.
 
You have the option to enable the cloud when you purchase a new phone/restore it.. I'm not sure the customers know exactly what's being backed up or how to properly delete the information. If you have the option to back up images enabled I think every photo you take gets sent to the cloud? So It gets a bit confusing.

Yes, turning off the option to not have pics automatically uploaded is confusing.
 
Where's all this iCloud stuff coming from? Are people just assuming iCloud was compromised? Or is this just standard apple hate going around?
 
@nikrichie: Twitter is deleting everyone who shares the celebrity nude hacked images. 308k accounts already deleted.

The whole situation is disgusting but twitter has been completely apathetic in deleting the accounts of people who've tweeted much worse in the past. Even the last celebrity nudes that leaked didn't get this response.
 
The whole situation is disgusting but twitter has been completely apathetic in deleting the accounts of people who've tweeted much worse in the past. Even the last celebrity nudes that leaked didn't get this response.

jlaw is going to sue them if they dont, so i think they have motivation.
 
In your warped opinion. Period
"ITS TOTALLY DIFFERENT! You see, with this stolen nude photo the woman wanted SOMEBODY to have it. So that means it's not so bad if everybody else sees it! She's clearly okey with the thought of a person seeing her naked. But the upskirt lady has given no indication that she is theoretically okay with anybody seeing her naked. Totally different!"
 
Not taken without consent, but distributed without consent. It's still bad. A girl makes a choice to share a photo with her bf, and somehow it's leaked and everyone can see it. Now that girl's pictures are everywhere and is now in the hands of any who want it.
That's why I said at the end they're both still bad. Trying to equate it to someone sneakily taken naked pictures of someone is different.
Yup. A perfect example of people using mental gymnastics to avoid the thought of being compared to a pedophile..
Oh man lol
 
"ITS TOTALLY DIFFERENT! You see, with this stolen nude photo the woman wanted SOMEBODY to have it. So that means it's not so bad if everybody else sees it! She's clearly okey with the thought of a person seeing her naked. But the upskirt lady has given no indication that she is theoretically okay with anybody seeing her naked. Totally different!"

Why did you not use your crazy pedophile argument here? That one is my favorite...
 
Two Worlds, your determination to steer this thread into child porn is a bit unsettling.
Yeah people don't like the truth. It's unsettling to them, but it's still the truth regardless if the recognize it or not. Trying to associate my actions with some strange desire to steer the conversation to child porn is an extremely weak excuse though.
 
This is creepy in so many levels.

So many people uploading nudes to the cloud.

Hacker getting all those pics.

Hacker identified by a couple of screen captures on two different sites.


This reminds me of the guy here on Neogaf that admitted to storing all kinds of info from users here. I wonder what he and\or others have on us. I'm disconnecting my router now.
 
The whole situation is disgusting but twitter has been completely apathetic in deleting the accounts of people who've tweeted much worse in the past. Even the last celebrity nudes that leaked didn't get this response.

I'm relieved they are taking some action.
 
Those are not equivalent and you know it. That's like when a guy took naked pictures of Erin Andrews through her hotel door.

This is more akin to a naked photo a girl sends to her boyfriend being shared by someone else besides the two people involved. The picture was not meant for anyone else, but that doesn't mean the pictures were originally taken without consent.

Stealing is wrong in both cases, but I don't agree with your assertion.


A private photograph taken on one's own device and never intentionally shared with anyone is the same as a pictures texted to your boyfriend and then leaked by him?

Those are not equivalent and you know it.

A photograph that is never shared is private.

My photograph is kept in my drawer. Somebody has broken into my house, broken my lock, stolen that picture and given it to everyone. And because this takes place on the internet, that's ok?
 
Yeah people don't like the truth. It's unsettling to them, but it's still the truth regardless if the recognize it or not. Trying to associate my actions with some strange desire to steer the conversation to child porn is an extremely weak excuse though.

I've read some bad arguments but bro, yours takes the cake. Comparing this in any way to child pornography is ridiculous and sensationalist. It's just bad.


As for the reaction to this whole thing, do the PR guys still not get the Streisand effect
 
This is creepy in so many levels.

So many people uploading nudes to the cloud.

Hacker getting all those pics.

Hacker identified by a couple of screen captures on two different sites.


This reminds me of the guy here on Neogaf that admitted to storing all kinds of info from users here. I wonder what he and\or others have on us. I'm disconnecting my router now.

This is why when I get a an SO I will never share her pic in the show your SO thread. You just know people are saving pics and bathing themselves in coco butter
 
A private photograph taken on one's own device and never intentionally shared with anyone is the same as a pictures texted to your boyfriend and then leaked by him?

Those are not equivalent and you know it.

A photograph that is never shared is private.

My photograph is kept in my drawer. Somebody has broken into my house, broken my lock, stolen that picture and given it to everyone. And because this takes place on the internet, that's ok?
Huh? That post clearly identifies the crime as stealing, it's very clear that they don't think it's 'ok'.
 
I don't see how someone looking at those pictures are comparable to a pedophile.


it isnt

in fact, making equivalent comparison to the heinous act of child porn is quite offensive to victims of child pornography, and cheapens the issue significantly. child porn is more about the exploitation of children, who need therapy and care to deal with what they went through, and are often in life-threatening situations during the creation of those things

these are adults who took pictures willingly. privacy rights are the only thing they've got violated.
 
I don't see how someone looking at those pictures are comparable to a pedophile.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Here I was trying to take time to help people understand the severity of this issue and in a few posts it's derailed by disturbing allegations.

/sigh

I'm gonna clean something to ease my brain...
 
I've read some bad arguments but bro, yours takes the cake. Comparing this in any way to child pornography is ridiculous and sensationalist. It's just bad.


As for the reaction to this whole thing, do the PR guys still not get the Streisand effect
Which is why I've heard no actual counter arguments.
 
Didn't take long for the 4chan CSI guys to find the dude who did it. He may be denying it, but theres more proof against him than with him, so..

Confusing how people assume 4chan is this big hivemind of users who all did the same thing, instead of one guy using the site because of it's anonymity. You wouldn't rail against all of Gaf if a user here decided to do something bad, right?

And some were fake, right? How many of the pictures could just be photoshops?
 
Which is why I've heard no actual counter arguments.

Dude, it's just so illogical that I can't even think about what to say. And honestly, it's kind of insulting to the victims of that heionous act. There are counter arguments, you're just ignoring them (and honestly, it being illogical is the only counter argument one needs)
 
Didn't take long for the 4chan CSI guys to find the dude who did it. He may be denying it, but theres more proof against him than with him, so..

And now he also admitted to trying to pull a fast one on 4chan. He's fucked either way.
 
So if Jennifer Lawrence's nudes count as child pornography does that mean her starring in movies counts as child work?
 
I find it funny how there are people (lol reddit) decrying the breach of freedom and privacy by the NSA and the American government and then turn around and jizz all over themselves in glee at these hacked/leaked private photos. To me, that shows a complete lack of integrity.

Yeah I was curious so I saw the photos. Big fucking woop it's a naked woman's body. The thing that gets these people hard, I think, isn't the bodies themselves (which are attractive) but the fact that that they're seeing someone famous naked, and that famous person did not want them to see the photos. Finding something not meant for you is kinda a power trip.
 
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Needs to be the new title for this thread.
 
Yeah people don't like the truth. It's unsettling to them, but it's still the truth regardless if the recognize it or not. Trying to associate my actions with some strange desire to steer the conversation to child porn is an extremely weak excuse though.

No, that's not why it's unsettling. You're coming off the way Nambla does when they try to compare love with a young boy with love between two adults and act like it's the same. Your posts are the creepiest stuff I've read in some time.
 
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