Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?

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Two Words said:
Why is spreading of photos of naked children/young teens practically universally reviled? Because we've agreed children and young teens are incapable of consenting to the act even if they say it is okay. They are put in an automatic "does not consent" pile. So if a celebrity who is an adult has those very same type of photos stolen, and those pictures are being spread about without her consent, how is it even remotely an acceptable act? Both acts involve the sharing of unconsented sexual photos. I guarantee just about every person looking and sharing these photos believe child porn viewers are scum. In reality, they're no different than child porn viewers. They just have a sexual attraction to adults but care just as little about their privacy.
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Is this one of those "ghetto" things?
 
ishibear said:
You're being a little extreme. Let's dial it back a bit.

If you want everyone to listen, you can't start throwing around such serious crimes and telling them they're the equivalent. That's terrifying and uncomfortable, as well as wrong.

Most people don't rush to see child porn, these celebrities are adults and that's a world of difference.
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The only difference is you are naturally inclined to find nude photos of children gross. Pedophiles don't have that natural disgust holding them back. The fact is that people that don't care about consent or privacy of celebrities are behaving with the exact same moral characters as pedophiles. People don't like extreme truths, but it doesn't matter. If you don't like being compared to a pedophile, don't do what pedophiles do with your own subset of people you are attracted to.
 
akira28 said:
He could be a member of those online selfie trading groups, like that gaffer from that one thread confessed to being. Not necessarily the leaker, but definitely a possible lead to the original chain.
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I think we all know who the real mastermind is. I mean who else could effectively have access to everyone's phones?

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That's why Lucius Fox wanted this destroyed.
 
Two Words said:
The only difference is you are naturally inclined to find nude photos of children gross. Pedophiles don't have that natural disgust holding them back. The fact is that people that don't care about consent or privacy of celebrities are behaving with the exact same moral characters as pedophiles. People don't like extreme truths, but it doesn't matter. If you don't like being compared to a pedophile, don't do what pedophiles do with your own subset of people you are attracted to.
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What the fuck am I reading.

I just checked the Apple site and the main header says 'Everyone has something to share', made me smile.
 
Two Words said:
The only difference is you are naturally inclined to find nude photos of children gross. Pedophiles don't have that natural disgust holding them back. The fact is that people that don't care about consent or privacy of celebrities are behaving with the exact same moral characters as pedophiles. People don't like extreme truths, but it doesn't matter. If you don't like being compared to a pedophile, don't do what pedophiles do with your own subset of people you are attracted to.
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Stop posting. Please.
 
I think Two Worlds has a point to a degree, but it's overlooking the fact these pictures were taken with consent, they just weren't distributed with them. The women weren't a victim of a crime during the taking of the photos, as the kids in porn photos are.
 
Samowski said:
https://i.4cdn.org/b/1409572947052.jpg

This guy is super stupid..
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he already denied it was him before you posted

I am not behind this. It was so stupid — I saw a lot of people posting the actual leaks and bitcoin addresses and I’ve read a lot about bitcoin and how they’re are valuable and I thought, oh cool I’ll get free bitcoins,” Bryan told BuzzFeed in an interview on Monday morning. “I am just an idiot who tried to pull one over on 4chan and lost big time and stupidly left this identifying information. They took my proof and back traced it — it isn’t remotely true. I am not a hacker. I have no idea how the hell someone could hack into all those accounts,” he said.
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StuBurns said:
I think Two Worlds has a point to a degree, but it's overlooking the fact these pictures were taken with consent, they just weren't distributed with them. The women weren't a victim of a crime during the taking of the photos, as the kids in porn photos are.
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and this is the main distinction between the two. at the end of the day it might not be consent, but "consent" is hard to keep under a lid when it is something accessible by others


bort said:
he already denied it was him before you posted
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so (if true) at best he gets charged with fraud, but at least they'll know "where" he got it from
 
Two Words said:
The only difference is you are naturally inclined to find nude photos of children gross. Pedophiles don't have that natural disgust holding them back. The fact is that people that don't care about consent or privacy of celebrities are behaving with the exact same moral characters as pedophiles. People don't like extreme truths, but it doesn't matter. If you don't like being compared to a pedophile, don't do what pedophiles do with your own subset of people you are attracted to.
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You have lost your fucking mind
 
StuBurns said:
I think Two Worlds has a point to a degree, but it's overlooking the fact these pictures were taken with consent, they just weren't distributed with them. The women weren't a victim of a crime during the taking of the photos, as the kids in porn photos are.
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That's true... but I dunno, it seems really harsh.
 
Two Words said:
Because it is logically sound. Truth doesn't need opinion to confirm it.
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Your single-mindedness is quite perplexing. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

So what's this Bryan guy's defense? That he was attempting to pass off having more pics in order to earn bitcoins?
 
So sorry for my ignorance, but how did the photos end up on their iclouds to begin with? I are iPhones set by default to auto upload every picture you take to your cloud in a private album?
 
NYR said:
Oh shit. Internet turned on him in less than 24 hours, haha.
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As with everything there are two sides, and I'm will to bed the people going after him are in the minority, it just so happens that he majorly screwed up (if it is true, we all know how the last time reddit tried playing detective went)
 
StuBurns said:
I think Two Worlds has a point to a degree, but it's overlooking the fact these pictures were taken with consent, they just weren't distributed with them. The women weren't a victim of a crime during the taking of the photos, as the kids in porn photos are.
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Fine then you can restrict it to this.

Instead let's say this iCloud hack led to people collecting photos of children being photographed by their parents in normal family gatherings and events. Things like kids in their swimsuit, in the bath tub, any example where the kids happened to show skin. Now if these photos were stolen and distributed by pedophiles, what do you think the public reaction would be? What makes it any different than celebrities?
 
BunnyBear said:
Your single-mindedness is quite perplexing. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

So what's this Bryan guy's defense? That he was attempting to pass off having more pics in order to earn bitcoins?
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Perception is in the eye of the beholder. Truth needs no eye to observe it.
 
EskimoJoe said:
So sorry for my ignorance, but how did the photos end up on their iclouds to begin with? I are iPhones set by default to auto upload every picture you take to your cloud in a private album?
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If you have multiple Apple devices OR want to have a cloud-based backup, iCloud automatically saves a copy to your other devices and backs up a copy to the cloud.

If you have it set-up, a picture taken on your iPhone will instantaneously appear in the photos folder of your iPad, etc.
 
BunnyBear said:
If you have multiple Apple devices OR want to have a cloud-based backup, iCloud automatically saves a copy to your other devices and backs up a copy to the cloud.

If you have it set-up, a picture taken on your iPhone will instantaneously appear in the photos folder of your iPad, etc.
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Okay. I see. So is this something you have to manually set up, or is it default and you have to opt out of it? Like, could a person buy and iPhone and not realize that thier photos are being stored online?
 
Two Words said:
Fine then you can restrict it to this.

Instead let's say this iCloud hack led to people collecting photos of children being photographed by their parents in normal family gatherings and events. Things like kids in their swimsuit, in the bath tub, any example where the kids happened to show skin. Now if these photos were stolen and distributed by pedophiles, what do you think the public reaction would be? What makes it any different than celebrities?
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Children aren't and shouldn't be sexualized in any way because of their age. The pictures here are still taken in a sexual context.

And preaching your logic and it being the objective truth is laughable in every way. Logic is twisted by the one trying to connect the dots. You aren't the universe.
 
ishibear said:
That's true... but I dunno, it seems really harsh.
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That's the thing about analyzing you actions with logic instead of emotion. You sometimes realize the things you do are really shitty.people like to blow off what I'm saying because they dont want to be compared to pedophiles. That desire is strong enough to cloud their judgement and twist their logic to avoid being compared to pedophiles.
 
civilstrife said:
Stolen pictures of unconsenting women.

Mmmm aren't those just the best?

Nothing like those sneaky subway upskirts, amirite?
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Those are not equivalent and you know it. That's like when a guy took naked pictures of Erin Andrews through her hotel door.

This is more akin to a naked photo a girl sends to her boyfriend being shared by someone else besides the two people involved. The picture was not meant for anyone else, but that doesn't mean the pictures were originally taken without consent.

Stealing is wrong in both cases, but I don't agree with your assertion.
 
Two Words said:
Fine then you can restrict it to this.

Instead let's say this iCloud hack led to people collecting photos of children being photographed by their parents in normal family gatherings and events. Things like kids in their swimsuit, in the bath tub, any example where the kids happened to show skin. Now if these photos were stolen and distributed by pedophiles, what do you think the public reaction would be? What makes it any different than celebrities?
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But that's not porn. If a pedophile wants to see kids in bathing suits or whatever, they can do that easily. Just last week I watched Funky Monks, a documentary about the Chili Peppers, and it had a naked child being bathed.

The only reason to steal these photos is because they're of famous people. It's not to see a pretty woman naked, that's exceptionally easy for anyone to access. I don't know, but I seriously doubt there is some pedophile version of the Maxim Hot 100 that they lust after.
 
Dilly said:
Children aren't and shouldn't be sexualized in any way because of their age. The pictures here are still taken in a sexual context.

And preaching your logic and it being the objective truth is laughable in every way. Logic is twisted by the one trying to connect the dots. You aren't the universe.
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Absolutely none of that us relevant to the case here.
 
akira28 said:
I dunno. I might take a few fists to the jaw over pics being plastered all over my work room. Like the time I showed my coworker my Match.com profile and he printed out copies of the profile pics and taped them all over the monitors of the other folks in the tech center. I was making some sassy model pose, and it was funny. It wasn't terribly humiliating, but I can understand the pain of humiliation being hard to come back from.
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I can understand that but only if the guy assaulting you is nice enough to tell you beforehand that he'll stop after a couple of punches.
 
Logic. Someone voluntarily takes nude pictures + sex acts. Logic. Someone forces children to take sexualized pictures + sex acts. Logic. Both these things are EXACTLY THE SAME..stop it.
 
A Human Becoming said:
Those are not equivalent and you know it. That's like when a guy took naked pictures of Erin Andrews through her hotel door.

This is more akin to a naked photo a girl sends to her boyfriend being shared by someone else besides the two people involved. The picture was not meant for anyone else, but that doesn't mean the pictures were originally taken without consent.

Stealing is wrong in both cases, but I don't agree with your assertion.
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Both upskirts and the distribution of that photo are unconsented. It's equal.
 
Gordon Shumway said:
Logic. Someone voluntarily takes nude pictures + sex acts. Logic. Someone forces children to take sexualized pictures + sex acts. Logic. Both these things are EXACTLY THE SAME..stop it.
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Read what I said. I specifically was talking about a certain type of child porn. Read before you try to argue.
 
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