Then you have a funny way of using your time if you waste it telling people things whom you do not care what they think about the things you tell them.
Can we talk about the apparent iCloud break-in?
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Sensible and well put.
good.
In my opinion it will be a sidebar issue to the main headline, but given the huge public interest in the pictures and the nature of the content, the technical details of the hack will fall to the wayside in terms of coverage.
I think it will resonate much more with the tech-related subcultures, quite a bit more more than your mainstream punter. The majority of Apple users won't care (and the ones that do are often the type who are overtly wary of their privacy). It will invite a new level of snark in here surrounding the iPhone 6 reveal though. That I don't look forward to.
But... you were doing the same thing?
Why is spreading of photos of naked children/young teens practically universally reviled? Because we've agreed children and young teens are incapable of consenting to the act even if they say it is okay. They are put in an automatic "does not consent" pile. So if a celebrity who is an adult has those very same type of photos stolen, and those pictures are being spread about without her consent, how is it even remotely an acceptable act? Both acts involve the sharing of unconsented sexual photos. I guarantee just about every person looking and sharing these photos believe child porn viewers are scum. In reality, they're no different than child porn viewers. They just have a sexual attraction to adults but care just as little about their privacy.
MoodyFog
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Mighty Chin
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Id like to think I'm above all of this but I like tits.
I was not implying that the hacker that this out of personal hatred of women, but out of our culture which is misogynistic. If you agree that this crime is very clearly gendered - Than it is misogynistic.
The article tried to rebuke the point that this is somehow, "their fault" the images got leaked. That this line of reasoning is inherently wrong and blaming the victim rather than the criminal and perpetrators of the crime. You argued that Jennifer Lawrence and others should be "extra careful". Are you trolling here, or do you seriously don't get how saying that is playing along with the kind of people who bring that out of the blue or imply that the victims are somehow at fault here?
"Sex symbol"? You mean people? Who and what turned them into "sex symbol" and how does that status take away from any of the rights, such as privacy, the rest of us enjoy?
I don't know if someone is looking at tabloid, but if they are sharing "new bikini pictures" of celebrities I probably wouldn't want to be friends with them just as well.
Not at all. I told him he was wrong, because I cared. Then I told him I don't care what he thinks other people think. I wasn't giving him a single opinion. I stated two facts. I cared what that other guy said, and I don't care what he thinks. I didn't share anything that I think.
ooooops someone is getting his life destroyed now!
Officerrob
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Seriously?
Again, how much of amateur porn online is put online with consent from both parties involved?
I wouldn't be surprised a lot of it is on internet without permission.
I don't think apple will catch as much shit for this as they potentially could. We're still talking about nude actresses, so the interest is very very high for a portion of the internet, but I doubt it will come up at the dinner table.
Leaving a vulnerability open is bad, especially when it comes to personal data from phones, but it still had to be exploited by someone that spent tremendous effort. I'm thinking there will be egg on Apples face, but two-factor was available, and the security hole has been patched, so they will likely lay low on the issue.
The focus, I hope, will be on punishing the dude that did this and condemning the culture around leaked photos. That being said, Apple deserves every letter of bad press they get on the issue.
Leaving a vulnerability open is bad, especially when it comes to personal data from phones, but it still had to be exploited by someone that spent tremendous effort. I'm thinking there will be egg on Apples face, but two-factor was available, and the security hole has been patched, so they will likely lay low on the issue.
The focus, I hope, will be on punishing the dude that did this and condemning the culture around leaked photos. That being said, Apple deserves every letter of bad press they get on the issue.
Brutalitops
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I've looked at the pictures I don't regret it.
Are there really more coming? Sweet Jesus..
Are there really more coming? Sweet Jesus..
Officerrob
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Welp, we have officially gone off the deep end...
metalslimer
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Maybe this is different for celebrities but do many people actually take this many nude photos of themselves?
OSHI-
Well, I'm talking about actual porn stars engaged with other porn stars. But yes, it's perfectly possible that a lot of amateur porn is released without consent.
I don't think there's any way to find out for sure, but that's something I'm not well informed about so I'm not of much help with this topic.
Vincent Alexander
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Yeah...there is something crazy odd about people drawing the line here, and part of me thinks it is simply because it happened to be J Law this time. But did anyone speak up like this when Paris Hilton or Kim K had sex tapes released?
BURN THE HACKER!
Not at all. People like to think this is all innocent gun, but it is 100% just as invasive and 100% just as non-consensual. Different target, same crime. The fact that creeps sharing these photos happened to be attracted to adults instead of kids makes no difference morally. It doesn't make you any less guilty or a better person.
There's the potential that this guy wasn't the origin of the pictures, and was instead someone with a second degree connection to the leaker. What have we learned about internet detective work?
Moral Panic
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They got you son. LOL
Yep time to burn them all or whatever.
davepoobond
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The difference is they used the video as a platform to get popular. Jennifer Lawrence doesn't really have much to gain and everything to lose by having this happen
The Real Abed
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Wow, he was super sloppy. Supper sloppy indeed.
Have we gotten a statement from Apple yet? Was it a breach or just user error or something? Always use two-factor. Anecdote: My friend turned SteamGuard off once because he tired of continually having to enter a code. Of course someone promptly brute forced it from him and he had to fight to get it back.
Vincent Alexander
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Whaaaaaat? Brain overload....I....someone please, because I can't even muster a proper, logical argument to counter this except to say "No".
CharminUltra
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If it matters, I didn't watch those either.
In order to expose how serious this issue is, people have to start talking about it. By treating it like a "high school kids being bad" problem, it's never going to be taken seriously.
The comparison to child porn is as one dimensional as the cartoon in your avatar. Lack of consent isn't the only thing wrong with it.
You need to take a deep breath. Equating people who viewed these pics with pedophiles is really going too far. You kind of had a decent point until you went into crazy territory at the end there.
civilstrife
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Let's say you were given a pirated copy of a game as a gift, would you be allowed to talk about it on GAF?
You didn't do the pirating. You just played it. And now you're on GAF bragging about it.
I understand the curiosity. But bragging about enjoying these pictures of unconsenting people and trying to justify it somehow is really, really gross.
We don't allow it when it comes to products (games, movies) but when it comes to actual living people and stolen pictures of their bodies, we laugh it off and say "Well, they chose to be famous lol! Back to fapping!"
My respect for this community has definitely taken a hit.
You didn't do the pirating. You just played it. And now you're on GAF bragging about it.
I understand the curiosity. But bragging about enjoying these pictures of unconsenting people and trying to justify it somehow is really, really gross.
We don't allow it when it comes to products (games, movies) but when it comes to actual living people and stolen pictures of their bodies, we laugh it off and say "Well, they chose to be famous lol! Back to fapping!"
My respect for this community has definitely taken a hit.
Tom was multifaceted and largely misunderstood.
Jerry was a complete prick, though.
damn son, that's gonna sit with me for a long time.
Jesus, people are fucking scary with their detective abilities
I don't agree with that either. Just because women are predominately the victims, doesn't to me equate to it being sourced from a general hatred for women. I can't think what about seeing a celebrity naked means you dislike them, in fact, it seems like it's the opposite, people think JLaw is exceptionally attractive, and wish to see her naked. They don't want to see her harmed, or eating from a dog food dish or whatever misogynist imagery people favor. It doesn't seem to come from a place of hatred, rather one of lust. It's certainly related to the objectification of women, but is that in of itself related to 'hating' them?
I think if you believe yourself to be more likely to be a victim of a crime, then you should go to greater lengths than the average person to avoid being a victim. To use the locking the door analogy again. If you live in a middle class neighborhood, but have little to no possession of value, your need for security and insurance is far less than someone with lots of valuables living in a working class neighborhood.
Does that suck? Of course. Is it 'unfair'? Yes. But is it naive to ignore those factors because the crime itself is the bad thing, not your attempt to avoid it? Yes.
Of course the person who did this is the criminal, and he should be punished, but will that change what happened? Will these photos not exist? Will whatever emotional pain this caused these women disappear? Prevention is objectively superior to the restitution after a crime, so people should value the prevention highly.
If this is true then they'll be coming for him any moment now. I wonder who will get to him first: the FBI/cops or Jlaw?
Officerrob
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Innocent? No. Comparable to child pornography? That's just crazy talk
suspect trails have been built on less. Someone will definitely be wanting to check it out though.
You're being a little extreme. Let's dial it back a bit.
If you want everyone to listen, you can't start throwing around such serious crimes and telling them they're the equivalent. That's terrifying and uncomfortable, as well as wrong.
Most people don't rush to see child porn, these celebrities are adults and that's a world of difference.
Vincent Alexander
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Time for him to start deleting evidence. Burn his laptop, disconnect internet, etc. He is fucked.
I took specific care to talk strictly about cases where children and young teens are simply photographed naked. I'm not talking about forcing children to be sexually active so those photos can be taken. That obviously introduced other immoral acts. But scouring the Internet to find and share unconsented nudes of Jennifer Lawrence is morally just as bad as sharing a nude photo of a young girl or boy who obviously did not consent and lacked the ability to do so. When I make this equality., I'm not lowering how bad child porn seems to be thought. I'm raising how this material should be thought. People would probably put sharing naked photos of children on an immorality scale of 1-10 like at a 9. People treat sharing unconsented celebrity nudes at like a 4. I'm saying to also put it at a 9.
civilstrife
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You certainly post a lot about not caring. I wonder what that means? You, sir, are truly an enigma.
Uno Venova
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Two Words is hilarious.
Even though it stings to get zinged, you can't fault his delivery. At least you got got by a good 'un.
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