My particular example was for the phones, and I don't recall my android phone telling me how to swipe down, if it does then i'll admit i was wrong.
Can Windows 8 be rescued at this point?
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My particular example was for the phones, and I don't recall my android phone telling me how to swipe down, if it does then i'll admit i was wrong.
You mean like vista it will get a new name and people who hated it will suddenly love it ?(just like vista to win 7)
In terms of perception, probably not. Once enough people shit on something, regardless of the legitimacy of their concern, it becomes ingrained into popular opinion and people will latch onto that without forming their own viewpoints through research and personal experience.
It happened with Vista, and it's probably going to happen with Windows 7. It'll sell well regardless though.
It happened with Vista, and it's probably going to happen with Windows 7. It'll sell well regardless though.
the phones give you some basics just like windows 8 does.
secretanchitman
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i installed classic start menu and all is well. i bypass metro and i get my xp/classic start menu back. couldnt be happier.
honestly, i would say that the start menu needs to be an option for those who want it back. i dont think it should be the default (so people experience metro and see what its like), but at least have the option to change it if they want.
honestly, i would say that the start menu needs to be an option for those who want it back. i dont think it should be the default (so people experience metro and see what its like), but at least have the option to change it if they want.
not psycho
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Is it possible MS is going with a New Coke strategy here? Intentionally release an OS they know a lot of people won't like, so that people will be desperate to buy the next one? Everyone who doesn't like Windows 8 is probably going to have extra incentive to buy Windows 9, since MS has created an idea that "good" Windows could be scarce in the future.
I can just imagine Windows 10. No start menu, no taskbar, if the mouse cursor goes near any side of the screen (even while watching movies, playing games, browsing internet) you get pop up bars, searching automatically closes all your windows, and you have to draw a pentagram in the middle of the screen with the mouse cursor to summon a program.
And then Windows 11 Classic with the restored features and ability to disable the new ones you don't want... for a limited time! Buy now!
I can just imagine Windows 10. No start menu, no taskbar, if the mouse cursor goes near any side of the screen (even while watching movies, playing games, browsing internet) you get pop up bars, searching automatically closes all your windows, and you have to draw a pentagram in the middle of the screen with the mouse cursor to summon a program.
And then Windows 11 Classic with the restored features and ability to disable the new ones you don't want... for a limited time! Buy now!
Microsoft banked huge on Windows 8. I really doubt that.
I love love Metro. I HATE this "dual UI" bullshit. Pick one and stick with it. I hate having a second UI there laying dormant. Makes the whole product seem unfocused.
You can make Metro into a better user experience, and more productive too. You can also make it just as "productive" as the regular desktop.
The traditional desktop is ancient. We dont need that shit. There's a reason why most people take all icons off their desktop for their widgets or wallpaper.
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I feel the same way about OSX's "launcher" screen that looks like iOS homescreen. Why the hell do we need that when we got the desktop and the dock? Just looks like there's 2 different OS there. Not very elegant, but at least in OSX I have the choice to never bring it up.
You can make Metro into a better user experience, and more productive too. You can also make it just as "productive" as the regular desktop.
The traditional desktop is ancient. We dont need that shit. There's a reason why most people take all icons off their desktop for their widgets or wallpaper.
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I feel the same way about OSX's "launcher" screen that looks like iOS homescreen. Why the hell do we need that when we got the desktop and the dock? Just looks like there's 2 different OS there. Not very elegant, but at least in OSX I have the choice to never bring it up.
Yep. I had 0 desktop icons with Windows 7 and I have 0 with Windows 8 too. It's just a temporary dumping ground for stuff I download really.
I don't even have the recycle bin on the desktop. I have it in the taskbar instead: -
I don't even do that.. I just hit window key + e and type 'Recycle Bin' into the bar. :lol
Haha, that seems like a long-winded way to me, but I guess it's one way to do it. I'm an obsessive recycle bin emptier, so I couldn't use that method.
The traditional desktop has major advantages over Metro particularly proper multitasking. And don't try and tell me the 1/4 window nonsense is multi tasking, it's not good enough. I'm running Windows 8 on 2 PCs and the only time I see Metro is on boot up when I click Desktop. Metro apps on the whole are underwhelming compared to their desktop equivalents and the whole Metro experience isn't beneficial at all with a mouse driven interface.
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From what I read online you can just make a quick regedit change and get your start menu back and remove Metro all together.
So why not upgrade to Win8 if its faster?
So why not upgrade to Win8 if its faster?
The Abominable Snowman
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Humans don't like change. MS should have known that.
I've been a W8 user and I love it. I practically have to stop myself from rolling my eyes when people say stupid/false things about W8, but lately i've been immune to it.
I've been a W8 user and I love it. I practically have to stop myself from rolling my eyes when people say stupid/false things about W8, but lately i've been immune to it.
All valid criticism. Metro as is, is not perfect. But, you can't say they cant make Metro into something better than the traditional model. If they can figure out a way to make a non-modal traditional window experience consistent with the Metro design it would be great for multitasking. Hell, the way they do it now is fine as well. They can expand on that.
Quality of software/apps can improve over time. The "closed" nature is only one option to obtain software/apps, third parties can still utilize their own app store, and people can still download whatever they want on other sites.
Yes yes yes. They don't offer anything at all over their desktop equivalents. That's the biggest problem with metro apps. The reason why I treat them as widgets instead of apps.
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You went all the way back to this ?
Your hard core
yep. its just clean, straightforward and easy to use. i honestly dont mind the new start menu in vista/7, but i personally prefer the xp classic menu and below.
It works fine for the HTPC i made. Hopefully XBMC and steam make a metro app but that won't likely happen. I don't like Win 8 on my desktop or notebook though. l Wish they were able get rid of dual OS thing and either make some single hybrid or allow you to select one only without seeing the other.
Touchscreen monitors will become ubiquitous within the next few years, partly due to Win8 and associated apps but also because adding more input options reduces the risk of RSI.
Once companies realise they can stop buying iPads - and dealing with the associated headaches involved in coordinating them in PC-centric environments - and instead use W8-based tablets that work the same way as desktop PCs, Microsoft will be lauded as the forward-looking smart company they actually are.
Once companies realise they can stop buying iPads - and dealing with the associated headaches involved in coordinating them in PC-centric environments - and instead use W8-based tablets that work the same way as desktop PCs, Microsoft will be lauded as the forward-looking smart company they actually are.
Why don't you try 8 for more than 10 minutes and find out for yourself?
I only use a couple of Apps for social stuff and the rest of the time I use desktop.
I only use a couple of Apps for social stuff and the rest of the time I use desktop.
I have been using Windows 8 on a tablet PC for a month, and some of the touch gestures are simply retarded. For example, if I wish to close all my metro apps, I need to pull out the sidebar and drag each app from the top of the sidebar to the bottom one by one. That is just retarded, in portrait mode, that is a lot of motion to go through. Sometimes, it doesn't even work and I don't know why. The only other way I have found to close metro apps quickly (using touch) is to use the task manager on desktop mode, which is not even optimized for touch.
Swipe from top to bottom. You can even do it using your thumb while holding your device.
That's exaclty what I wrote isn't it?
The point of metro apps is that you don't need to close them at all. They don't consume resources when they are not being used
Yes they do. Many of them run in the background.
You're doing it from the app bar. You can do that on the active app.
Swipe from left to switch apps to the active one. Swipe from top to bottom to close it. What you're doing instead it seems is to swipe the app from within the app bar to the bottom. Which works but is less precise.
w8 apps suspend after a short time, no need to close them. Just hit the windows key and go back to the start screen
Isn't it the same problem? To choose the app I want to close, I need to open up the side bar first isn't it?
As above. Also, some apps DO run in the background. There will be situations where you would like to close them, just like on android.
Swipe from the top of the screen to close applications.
You don't need to open the app bar. Just swipe from left to switch to the next app then close it. Switching to the next app just by a simple left swipe is very fast to be an issue. Unless you tell me you have like 10 apps on your sidebar and you need to rotate between apps to get to the one you want to close, but you shouldn't get to that stage in the first place. Just swipe to close the active app whenever you're done with it.
When you think of PCs of the future, do you think of someone clicking a mouse?
Has anyone here ever tried to teach an old person to use a mouse?
"Right click there... no, click with your right finger while keeping the mouse still... no, you're moving your hand..."
Give them an iPad or smartphone though and they're happily tapping away without much fuss.
Windows 8, without a doubt was a BIG change and a big risk, and yeah they probably botched the launch. But the first Xbox wasn't the most successful thing in the world and look where we are now. Microsoft makes a lot of tactical mistakes but usually win strategically. They have seen the writing is on the wall for the mouse as primary input device and are making the jump before anyone else does. I expect at least another year of people on forums pining for the start menu while Win 8 quietly gains market share.
Has anyone here ever tried to teach an old person to use a mouse?
"Right click there... no, click with your right finger while keeping the mouse still... no, you're moving your hand..."
Give them an iPad or smartphone though and they're happily tapping away without much fuss.
Windows 8, without a doubt was a BIG change and a big risk, and yeah they probably botched the launch. But the first Xbox wasn't the most successful thing in the world and look where we are now. Microsoft makes a lot of tactical mistakes but usually win strategically. They have seen the writing is on the wall for the mouse as primary input device and are making the jump before anyone else does. I expect at least another year of people on forums pining for the start menu while Win 8 quietly gains market share.
Theynare suspended in the background. They are only woken when they receive instructions to wake up and then suspend again.
Yes, that is exactly what will happen. And saying that it won't happen because I can close an app after I use it is not exactly good design, which is what I am saying. The android platform has no such issue.
I can equally complain about how much more effort it takes to switch between apps on an Android tablet instead of a simple left swipe. Multitasking wise Metro is far superior.
Since I have both, I respectfully disagree. I am just going to bail out of this thread instead.
I have both too.
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I was hesitant and hated the beta but now that I have it I wouldn't go back. It takes some getting used to but there's NOTHING I miss from 7. Literally nothing.
The start menu being changed hasn't affected me nearly as much as I though it would and I love the built in mail and calendar apps.
It's faster, smoother and has more features. Nothing to complain about at all. The desktop is still there and woks perfectly well. If not better.
It does not need saving. I've been using it for almost two weeks now, both profesionally and for entertainment and I can't say I miss Win7 for a second;
I want to play a game, or a movie, Win8 saves me 2 mouseclicks over Win7
I want to start my 5 pro-apps, Win8 saves me 0 clicks, but almost 3 seconds boot-time per program over 7.
What Win8 needs is more and better Apps; Spotify, Office, XBMC, etc etc, but as it stands, it's the best OS yet.
I want to play a game, or a movie, Win8 saves me 2 mouseclicks over Win7
I want to start my 5 pro-apps, Win8 saves me 0 clicks, but almost 3 seconds boot-time per program over 7.
What Win8 needs is more and better Apps; Spotify, Office, XBMC, etc etc, but as it stands, it's the best OS yet.
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