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[Aske]

I don't blame these people. Ignorance perpetuated by the acceptance of modern-day witch doctors is the problem.

Parents ought to be required to learn how to parent. They're not. Homeopathy needs to be defined as superstitious nonsense by the law. It's not.

This is a social problem. These poor fools who lost their child are merely a symptom of a greater issue.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Clearly not. All I'm saying is some people aren't responsible enough to care for children. I would like it if a couple had to show themselves to be competent enough, but alas that isn't going to happen.

So what you're saying is that you'd want some sort of institutional program to decide who does and doesn't get to have kids?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

They may be dumb and ignorant, but they're not sociopaths. Yes, I think they most definitely realize now that they were wrong.

From the article:

...but they're still pushing their "therapy" on others.

 

[vern]

To the people saying that they shouldn't be put in jail for this, do you think parents also shouldn't be jailed or punished when they beat their kids? What if they beat the child to death on accident? Mourning the loss is punishment enough?

These people killed their kid through negligence, they are a danger to other people. They should be punished to the full extent of the law and they can mourn in prison. Hopefully prison will rehabilitate them and when they get out they'll be responsible members of society, but they shouldn't get a free pass on killing their kid just because they "lost" their kid... They didn't lose him, they killed him through neglect.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

So what you're saying is that you'd want some sort of institutional program to decide who does and doesn't get to have kids?

I want to keep irresponsible people from having children the same way I want to keep irresponsible people from owning guns.

I don't suggest or support any kind of body that controls such things.

 

[darscot]

Being this is Canada and I would think a short prison sentence would be effective. They are in dire need of education and counseling. A short sentence in Canada is not the complete end of your life and they would get a lot of help. Prison as punishment would be pointless in this case and serves no one. I only hope they have no other children and do not have anymore.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I know someone that basically thinks Baking Soda is the answer to everything.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I want to keep irresponsible people from having children the same way I want to keep irresponsible people from owning guns.

I don't suggest or support any king of body that controls such things.

I guess this is a minor detail, but how would you keep irresponsible people from having kids without some sort of regulatory body (like the kind that exists with gun control)?

 

[CharminUltra]

A spoonful of vicks vapuruu would've cured that.

 

[Already Torn]

Well, duh. It's meningitis. Home remedies can help, but you don't want to chance it with something like that.

Oh jeez, a nurse told them it was probably meningitis and they gave him maple syrup? Poor kid. And these jerks are making it worse with that phony money collection thing. What a couple of horrible people.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

I guess this is a minor detail, but how would you keep irresponsible people from having kids without some sort of regulatory body (like the kind that exists with gun control)?

I never said I had the answers you're looking for. Just a personal desire. Same way I want everyone to have a guaranteed basic income, free education from top to bottom, free universal health care, and so on. I don't have any answer on how you'd implement those things, just that it's something I'd like to see happen.

 

[killamajig]

I guess this is a minor detail, but how would you keep irresponsible people from having kids without some sort of regulatory body (like the kind that exists with gun control)?

Maybe we start with....
if you kill your kid you can't have anymore.

 

[Simon Belmont]

I never said I had the answers you're looking for. Just a personal desire. Same way I want everyone to have a guaranteed basic income, free education from top to bottom, free universal health care, and so on. I don't have any answer on how you'd implement those things, just that it's something I'd like to see happen.

I guess it's nice to want things, but I'd rather focus on eliminating the factors that lead to this sort of thing. I find it hard to be pro choice and pro eugenics at the same time. We already have (close) to universal health care in Canada, and the other two aren't unobtainable or morally repugnant.

Maybe we start with....
if you kill your kid you can't have anymore.

You'd use the regulatory body of 'if you kill your kid you can't have anymore'?

 

[Walpurgis]

This is so sad. These people have access to some of the best medical care in the world for free and they opt to use the same medicine as the villagers in The Witcher 3. Now their infant is dead from something easily preventable.

 

[CharminUltra]

Oops, wrong thread.

 

[Abstruse Moose]

I guess it's nice to want things, but I'd rather focus on eliminating the factors that lead to this sort of thing. I find it hard to be pro choice and pro eugenics at the same time. We already have (close) to universal health care in Canada, and the other two aren't unobtainable or morally repugnant.



You'd use the regulatory body of 'if you kill your kid you can't have anymore'?

And how would you go about eliminating the factors that lead to this sort of thing?

 

[Your Entertainer]

Child abuse.

 

[Simon Belmont]

And how would you go about eliminating the factors that lead to this sort of thing?

Increased social safety net, increased regulation of the health products market, public education initiatives, and legal sanctions for people like these idiots. The legal framework also already exists to take their remaining children away from them, which is what I think should be done.

 

[Silexx]

...but they're still pushing their "therapy" on others.

Again, I'm talking about how they handled the situation with their child.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Is it just me or is it people that have never studied a lick of science and done a shred of real research are the ones who so heavily promote this shit?

 

[killamajig]

I guess it's nice to want things, but I'd rather focus on eliminating the factors that lead to this sort of thing. I find it hard to be pro choice and pro eugenics at the same time. We already have (close) to universal health care in Canada, and the other two aren't unobtainable or morally repugnant.



You'd use the regulatory body of 'if you kill your kid you can't have anymore'?

If the court finds them guilty.

A state can take away your rights if you cause the death of someone.

And in this case they seem to be unrepentant. (Still selling their snake oil)

 

[Simon Belmont]

If the court finds them guilty.

A state can take away your rights if you cause the death of someone.

And in this case they seem to be unrepentant. (Still selling their snake oil)

Source in Canadian law regarding to capacity to procreate?

 

[killamajig]

Source in Canadian law regarding to capacity to procreate?

Sorry, I'm not saying they CAN take them away. I just feel like some other posters that think some parents should not get the chance to do more damage.

Just my opinion.

 

[jblank83]

finally a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic and ginger root as his condition deteriorated

Whoa, they really pulled out the big guns for that little meningitis infection.

I'm sure once the virus/bacteria saw that onion/pepper combo they were like "we're sorry, we give up".

 

[Simon Belmont]

Sorry, I'm not saying they CAN take them away. I just feel like some other posters that think some parents should not get the chance to do more damage.

Just my opinion.

Just because we're not sterilizing them doesn't mean they're necessarily going to get another chance. In Ontario the CAS can remove a child from a dangerous home, I can't imagine Alberta is terribly different.

It doesn't mean they won't, it just means we don't generally empower the Government to make irreversible decisions when it comes to peoples rights.

 

[Already Torn]

...but they're still pushing their "therapy" on others.

Seriously. They said they had a bad experience with traditional medicine, I think this counts as a bad experience with no traditional.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Again, I'm talking about how they handled the situation with their child.

They're very clearly saying one thing and doing the exact opposite.

Like a drunk taking a pull from a flask while he's telling you that he's given up the sauce.

 

[kirblar]

Regardless on your views on punishment for negligent murder (or homice, whatever fits Canada's legislation), these imbeciles are still raising funds for their defense using social media platforms while evangelizing their "natural supplements" business, endangering the wellbeing of countless people (more on that: Truehope’s Confusing Message: EMPowerplus (Q96) Claims to Treat Bipolar, ADHD, Depression).

They are dangerous and they should be removed from society.

Yup. This is about more than their dead kid- its making sure they cant kill any more.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

This story is infuriating.

 

[Quixzlizx]

The parents thought that home remedies would have saved their child, but proven otherwise. They already going through their punishment and that will last for the rest of their life. They have to live with the guilt that they are responsible for their child's death.

That is far more worse to a parent than being put in prison.

What is the point of sending them to prison, you know, aside from satisfying the blood lust of the public? Prison serves to reform and reintegrate criminals back into society.

Or they're just as likely to somehow blame the medical establishment for their son's death. Delusional people/conspiracy theorists are good at rationalizing anything that happens as part of the delusion/conspiracy.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I hate homeopathy, my mother gave us these little beads that were sweat and supposed to treat whatever and I just ate them like candy.

Thankfully we still saw proper medical treatment whenever something was up. But homeopathy is just bollocks in my books.

 

[Brian Griffin]

I'm normally against the idea of thought crime but sometimes I wish a certain level of willful ignorance was illegal.

Spoiler

/s but god damn this makes me fucking RAGE

These two just paid an enormous price to learn a very basic lesson in health care so I hope they actually remember it. They should do some prison time but if they still continue to push their bullshit on others I say lock them up for a looong time to protect more stupid people from their dangerous ideas.

EDIT: Looks like they ARE still pushing their bullshit. Under the jail forever please.

 

[shadowkat]

This just makes me angry.

And they are still peddling their crap. They should definitely go to prison.

 

[Silexx]

They're very clearly saying one thing and doing the exact opposite.

Like a drunk taking a pull from a flask while he's telling you that he's given up the sauce.

I think you're conflating between what they said about treating their children and their overall belief system (which they also make their living on).

While the two are definitely linked, it's still possible for them to have come to the realization that they should have handled their deceased child condition differently while still maintaining their faith in phony medicine. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing and the fact they make a living off of it must certainly play a part in that.

I think it is simply presumptuous to think that these parents hold no remorse in their child's death simply because they are still trying to continue to conduct their business that they make a living on. That said, none of this is meant to be in any way mitigating the charges that are being brought on them and the trial they now face.

 

[Sniffynose]

1: Murder charges
2: Shut their bullshit company down
3: Canada needs laws to stop allowing bullshit remedies to be sold

 

[sangreal]

So what will their response to the negative experiences to naturopathic remedies be? >_>

dilute it with water

 

[Jive Turkey]

I made the mistake of reading this story just before bed last night. The story is horrible but what made me tremble with rage is when I saw his picture. That little boy was the same age as my son and he looks remarkably similar. How can parents be so neglectful as to willfully harm such a pure and innocent little guy?

 

[Deleted member 1235]

In a bid to boost his immune system, the couple gave the boy — who was lethargic and becoming stiff — various home remedies, such as

1. water with maple syrup,
2. juice with frozen berries and
3. finally a mixture of apple cider vinegar, horse radish root, hot peppers, mashed onion, garlic and ginger root as his condition deteriorated.

well at least at the end there they really bought out the hard stuff....

this is probably a devastating way to learn that you are stupid, but the court should throw the fucking book at them. Inexcusably stupid and they deserve prison for willfully ignoring medical advice and causing the death of a child.

fucking antivaxxers. god.

 

[killer rin]

Read this yesterday and all I could think of was how much the parents are fucking idiots. Hopefully someone takes them to court for child abuse over it