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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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Look how low you sunk, and you still lost.
 

Smiley90

Stop shitting on my team. Start shitting on my finger.
I just realized, I hope this Lib win will mean better funding for the CBC. Also, hope the home delivery promise will stick

given that they wanna run a deficit with increased spending, it's looking promising.

GIVE ME MY SCIENCE FUNDING BACK
 
Looking good - I hope the Liberals are able to pull off a majority. Didn't expect my riding to vote anything other than Conservative (Edmonton-West), but that's alright. No more Harper. Yes!
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
Liberal candidate destroying the Conservative candidate in my riding, Jays destroying the Royals, bought opening night Star Wars tickets with great seats, this is a very good night :)

I feel bad for the NDP though, I hope they pick up a bunch in BC.
 

Sean C

Member
The Liberals are leading by 148 votes in Toronto-Danforth right now. Man, that would be the ultimate humiliation for the NDP. What a disaster.
 

DJ_Lae

Member
"It's doomsday. The sky is falling. Canadians have forsaken their righteous leader who would keep us safe from all of the terrorists."

That sort of rhetoric, I take it?
Pretty much. I generally don't preach much to my family but man has it been hard to ignore some of that shit from them. And it's not an age thing, most of my cousins are younger than me and conservative as shit. It's baffling.

They also lost their minds when Alberta went NDP earlier this year. That was good for a laugh too.
 
Kanata-Carleton and Nepean to Liberals.

Hoping Poilievre gets booted in Carleton too. It's close.

Ottawa did well. Paul Dewar looks like hes going to lose his riding which sucks.
 
Declared majority

We did it Canada
It was supposed to be a minority :(

We've really only put a bandaid on the problem. The ReformaCon party still exists, with a solid 100 seats. We were supposed to kill them with PR. It's not happening anymore. They can still come back into power.
 

Lebon14

Member
Na, na, na. Na, na, na hey hey hey Goodbye Harper!
Fuck yes. Mission accomplished Canada!

Now to see my riding. That's another thing.
 

IceIpor

Member
So, this is one thing wrong about both the CPC and NDP campaign.

I hardly knew any of their platform promises. I have no idea what the CPC was campaigning except lower taxes. The NDP, more social services but not really as much as the Liberals.
The Liberals I knew were willing to go into debt to get Canada back on track.

Basically, this page spells it out. http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/elec...s-are-promising-to-spend-if-elected-1.2614562

Conservatives

Total new spending/investments/benefits: $7.6 billion

Total new revenues: $0

Total new savings: $2.35 billion

Uncosted promises, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation: 6

New Democratic Party

Total new spending/investments/benefits: $34.05 billion

Total new revenues: $26.2 billion

Total new savings: $3.8 billion

Uncosted promises, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation: 1

Liberals

Total new spending/investments/benefits: $149.8 billion

Total new revenues: $31.2 billion

Total new savings: $80.7 billion

Uncosted promises, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation: 9
Now, did they over promise and not commit? That remains to be seen.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
It's been my stance for a while. Shes not as popular as she or her supporters think. She always rode Jack's popularity. She failed miserably in the mayoral election and she is getting destroyed by Adam Vaughan.

I like this post from reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/co...and_adam_vaughan_in_tight_spadinafort/cvy88nj

I think people get Olivia Chow backwards.

They talk about her as if she's a failed, incompetent politician: someone whose entire career was built around being Jack Layton's wife.

That's nonsense for three key reasons:

Thing One: She held elected office before she'd even met Jack. Jack did not start her political career, nor did she inherit her machine from him.

Thing Two: She held elected office even when Jack didn't. In particular, after Jack Layton's failed 1991 mayoral bid, he was locked out of city hall -- and here's the thing: formal mayor candidates have a way of disappearing. When's the last time you heard of George Smitherman? How about Jane Pitfield? Susan Fish? Rocco Rossi? Joe Pantalone? These people all had serious, big-time political jobs before running for mayor (cabinet ministers, deputy mayors, party executives...), and all of these people managed to run serious, big-time mayoral campaigns which attracted oodles of attention and media exposure and legitimacy, and all of them fell right off the map after losing, never heard from again except as curiosities. ("Former mayoral candidate Sarah Thompson...")

Is there reason to believe that Jack Layton would have been different?

What kept Jack Layton from facing a similar fate was his relationship with Olivia Chow. Chow won her Metro Council seat handily, and that not only kept Jack in the spotlight as her spouse (the two have always been handled as an item, a political power couple), it had the effect of keeping his machine warm as well.

Yet nobody ever talks about Jack riding Olivia's coattails. Funny how that works, eh?

Thing Three: Yes, absolutely, Olivia has lost elections. But this is substantially because she has deliberately chosen to do things the hard way.

The easy way to become a career politician is to lock down a city council seat and stay there forever. Incumbents are singularly safe, and Olivia had the added advantage of being beloved: in every municipal election she's contested, she scored an outright majority, often 70% or more of the vote. If she was just cynically looking to collect a salary and keep her name in the papers with as little work as possible, this is the route she'd have taken: become a council fixture, maybe write a book or do some adjunct teaching on the side, but basically bunker down and become a lifer.

Instead, she chose more ambitious goals.
She chose to run for provincial and federal office, and she almost uniformly exceeded expectations. In 1997, for example, with the NDP holding no seats anywhere east of Manitoba, she ran in Trinity--Spadina and came within 2000 votes of beating the Liberal incumbent. (For contrast, Jack ran in what was then Broadview--Greenwood and came up 10,000 votes short.)

Losing doesn't necessarily mean she was incompetent: I'd suggest it has a lot to do with picking more challenging fights and taking on tougher opponents, rather than contenting herself with the comfortable and easy pickings of a councillor-for-life gig. Chow has chosen to fight and lose rather than chalk up easy victories, and I think that's more interesting than "WHAT A LOSER, ALWAYS LOSING".
 

mdubs

Banned
I honestly have no idea how Bob Saroya is managing to gut out a win right now, Jiang seemed like a nice and educated person, she was the only reason I bothered to vote today. There feeling here was this was going to be an easy liberal win
 
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