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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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By scamming a few hundreds of crazies who pay to be told what they want to hear.
Stephen Harper was at least a competent leader*even though he was awful) and did not really care about social issues much. Also, unlike trump and the GOP his party actually tried to appeal to minority voters.
I thought he also made in roads into the immigrant community. Which is baffling why Leitch is taking the route she's taking and could potentially harm those gains. but I feel like O'leary took a lot of the oxygen away from her, and is the guy to watch.
No, he didn't.
Leitch is far worse with her screening policy, but let's not pretend like Harper didn't take a hatchet and swing away at Canada's previous methods of treatment of immigrants and refugees. If we're going to go through the "Remember Harper ?" phase so soon, let's at least be realistic with his accomplishments: He got rid of the penny and united Canada's right-wing. That is the extent to his positive accomplishments. He only looks competent because we're seeing how much worse off we could have been if the CPC had or will have a leader with the same mindset as Mr. Mattress. He was terrible and remains the worst Prime Minister to form a government in my minuscule lifetime.
O'Leary is at least still better than Leitch. Picking out of two poisons, I'd take him over her every day of the week.
Imagine if Bernier won, gutter's reaction would be something.
gutter_trash
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AuthenticM
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It would be amazing
what... is this?
It would be amazing
Wow. Bernier sure is something.
killer rin
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that particular photo is photoshopped, but he did show up at another disaster with those.
Morrigan Stark
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I thought it was a photoshop at first. But then I vaguely remembered something about distributing Jos Louis cakes in Afghanistan, and... yep, this happened (forgot Bernier was involved):
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/c...an-l-armee-a-mal-digere-l-operation-jos-louis
Edit: yes, killer rin is correct, it's a photoshop, but here's the real pic which is barely less dumb:
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/c...an-l-armee-a-mal-digere-l-operation-jos-louis
Edit: yes, killer rin is correct, it's a photoshop, but here's the real pic which is barely less dumb:
It is shopped. The real one is above. He visited our soldiers in Afghanistan and he brought these cakes because: 1) they are manufactured in his riding; 2) because they are well-known to almost everyone in Quebec. Those are facts.
Bernier claimed some soldiers from Quebec asked him to bring some cakes. As far as I know, this was never proved or disproved.
I never understood why it became a big deal and people concluded Bernier was dumb because of this gesture. Sure, it was cheesy, but it was so fucking harmless.
Yeah, the background is obviously shopped shopped. I was referring to how ridiculous he looks with the box in his hands.
It looks like Stephen Khan dropped out of the Alberta PC leadership race.
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/paula-simons-stephen-khan-quits-pc-leadership-race
Khan has also had to deal with a lot of awful things lately.
Now it's Richard Starke who wants some vague wildrose and PC unity plan, Kenney and Nelson in the leadership race.
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/paula-simons-stephen-khan-quits-pc-leadership-race
Khan has also had to deal with a lot of awful things lately.
Now it's Richard Starke who wants some vague wildrose and PC unity plan, Kenney and Nelson in the leadership race.
gutter_trash
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I thought it was a photoshop at first. But then I vaguely remembered something about distributing Jos Louis cakes in Afghanistan, and... yep, this happened (forgot Bernier was involved):
http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/c...an-l-armee-a-mal-digere-l-operation-jos-louis
Edit: yes, killer rin is correct, it's a photoshop, but here's the real pic which is barely less dumb:
it was one of a series of photoshop spoofs of people making fun of him for distributing Jos. Louis cakes to our vets, using it as a photop opportuinty to promote a local business from his riding
Harper was a massive danger because he continued to chip away at the things that keeps Canada from being the giant mess the U.S. has become. I remember it being under him that questions of how Canada could afford to keep universal health care, and whether it might be better to privatize started popping up. I haven't heard any murmuring talk of that since he's been gone.
People have to stop looking at the absence of sudden rapid changes like what Trump is now doing, and thinking everything must be fine. It's a never-ending tug of war where one side starts to gain ground way before things all fall apart. As a country with established left-leaning pillars, Harper could only slowly try to chip away at what was there and slowly shift things to the right. Continue with people like him, and maybe 10-30 years down the line Canada will be where the U.S. is.
Simon Belmont
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People have been talking about this since the 90s
Killa Sasa
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This is so money.
It's 100% about who wants it more, and it's decided by votes. I'll never understand those who shirk the immense responsibility, especially if they complain after about how the country doesn't represent them.
Like with everything, if you want change, you've gotta work for it. The bigger the change, the more work it needs I.e. Creating your own awareness and contributing to political activity in your own spheres of influence.
I mean it is , but where is the base ? Southern Saskatchewan and most of rural alberta. The same place the backwards idiots always live.
My worry though, being an Albertan that's suffered most of his life under Conservative idiocy, is that the NDP being elected wasn't some miraculous change of heart, it was something that happened out of spite. In other words, I feel like most of the people that voted orange a couple years ago here are just as likely to kick them out in a couple of years. With the Albertan right be courted by the most horrible of candidates (Jason Kenney) I fear a re-invigorated party full of racist bigoted assholes will squeak back into power.
I'm much less worried about it happening federally. I mean, Harper only got in there by the skin of his teeth after 3 rapid fire elections in what felt like 6 months (it was closer to 4 years) and he knew it wasn't going to last so he did as much damage as he possibly could to maintain that power right down to just about the last day he could stick around. There are enough viable parties in Canada that it's difficult to gain a large majority , especially for right wing extremists like that eggheaded moron Kevin O'leary.
There's really no ground to gain for conservatives in Canada , Alberta and Saskatchewan are already as conservative as possible and I just don't see that line of thinking rising in southern Ontario or Quebec again.
I mean, there is one exception that I fear - that is , if the Liberals in power do something legitimately "bad" like they got stuck doing at the end of the Chretien era. Even still, last time we got 2 minority governments out of it while parties restructured themselves.
I'm sure they have, and I'm sure the question will always be there. The real question is whether it is kept in the background, or is brought into the main light with serious challenges to the system. That is the direction people like Harper would pull the country towards.
matthewwhatever
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Listen more closely then. We're very, very lucky that Harper was an incrementalist instead of a radical. He had the same goals as his GOP counterparts, and he clearly took steps in that direction whever possible, but he also wanted to build a durable electoral coalition and knew that being overtly radical wouldn't have gone over well. For all the damage he caused to this country -- which we won't fully understand for years, because things like his court appointments will take awhile to fully unveil their awfulness -- it could've been much, much worse.
A private citizen challenging it vs. support from the highest heights of government to move towards. There's a big difference. Your example shows like how I said the question will always be there.
Everything moves incrementally, until like shifting tectonic plates it snaps and you get someone more radical that pulls hard on established vulnerabilities.
Simon Belmont
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It was actually louder before Harper got in than when he was in, to my recollection.
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Universal Health Care is one of the major pillars of Canada, I think, so it's not going to topple overnight.
Regardless of the subject you guys want to focus on, my point is that successive politicians and political parties will pull the country in particular directions. Keep the Right wing/Conservatives in power in Canada for long enough, we'll see when they get to seriously challenging UHC.
pr0cs
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There is no way NDP will make a second term. People voted for a change and at that time,like the federal election,it turned out to be anyone but conservatives.
The NDP have done their best to bungle and alienate the population here in the province. If there was an election tomorrow they'd be out. They have time to turn things around but I don't expect they will
matthewwhatever
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Except the courts are where decisions can be made incredibly quickly, regardless of political will. In 1999, Parliament voted against same-sex marriage by a pretty significant margin, and in line with popular sentiment. It took less than a decade for courts to completely reverse all that -- the initial SCC decision that helped push us towards marriage equality was from that same year, and it was an Ontario court ruling that turned the tide completely just a few years later. Physician-assisted dying also moved pretty quickly, entirely because the courts pushed it that way. Just because no politician wants to touch it, it doesn't mean that no court will -- and even if they've generally been a force for progress, Harper was appointing conservative judges for a decade, so they're out there setting precedents.
If you suffered in Alberta in the last 25 years you're doing something wrong. Alberta provided work in all sectors to people from all over the country.
The last 12 years in Saskatchewan has been good too. But iirc Saskatchewan lost 10300 jobs in december! It's very grim. And Trudeau's attitude towards the west pisses me off. He talks from his high horse looking down on the people from the west.
https://youtu.be/PrLqz5ftJ7Q
Like how does saying something like that make sense?
Oil is picking up again and we're going to be in another cycle soon (maybe). Neither party is providing any sort of alternative to the oilsands that I know of. But I'm a backwards idiot from Saskatchewan...
I'm not bitching about black balling oil. I'm bitching about there's no alternative and no transition plan to a sustainable solution that brings jobs back.
gutter_trash
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Trudeau can't win on oil from the Left and from the Right
the Left whines that he is the status-quo and pro-oil
the Rhight whines that he doesn't do enough for the "West" and is anti-oil
seriously, no win scenario.
Keystone will happen and Westerners will still bitch and moan
Westerners are officially bigger whiners than Quebecers
the Left whines that he is the status-quo and pro-oil
the Rhight whines that he doesn't do enough for the "West" and is anti-oil
seriously, no win scenario.
Keystone will happen and Westerners will still bitch and moan
Westerners are officially bigger whiners than Quebecers
Torontonian here: The Rebel is exceptionally popular with the youth, I have some friends on the UofT campus and they tell me how the whole Peterson incident has given rise to the silent alt-right on campus, heck that Lauren Southern has been there a few times and I'm told her nd her and Gavin McInnes are becoming household names among that demographic. Of course, this is purely anecdotal but I do think that even soft c Conservatives and those who have never been politically involved are switching their views to align with what they perceive to be against the establishment and "the power". Of course this is a worrying trend, I aint going back to live in the US for a while now because of Trump, so I rather not Canada go to shit as well.
Also, purely unrelated but remember when the Globe and Mail endorsed the Tories (but without Harper) in 2015? Did we ever figure why that was? Because I have been for the longest time under the impression they are generally left wing or centrist in their views.
The globe has generally been centre-right. They endorsed the tories sans Harper because they're on a quest to be as big of a joke as NatPo.
Speaking of NatPo, anyone want to take bets on how much longer they can survive, because they strike me as a zombie company and publication at this point.
Buba Big Guns
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I agree that there needs to be a comprehensive plan to deal with the effects of the transition away from oil (and automation).
Oil isn't going to disappear tomorrow, but long term I think the writing is on the wall (no matter what any political party, or country says) with the hard focus on renewables by the largest countries in the world, microgeneration and the advent of alternative fuels/energy for transportation.
I don't really understand your comment about Trudeau's attitude towards the west. The west should be thinking of incremental transition, not delaying the inevitable. It's time to innovate and be creative about thinking of solutions to what is going to be a huge problem; I have yet to see anyone from the CPC even propose forward thinking ideas.
pr0cs
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Keystone is late and only went through because the orange pariah pushed it through not because Trudeau had anything to do with it. Westerners bitch because the economy is in shambles and we get more taxes and idiocy like "phasing out" oil sands commentary instead of support and understanding from Trudeau and his ilk.
People were more than happy to see the money roll in(and not just the west) when times were good but now that things are dire we're whiners.. interesting.
gutter_trash
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Keystone is late because of Obama!!! not Trudeau
Justin is probably the most Pro-Oil Liberal PM just to make you guys happy... but you will never be happy
he walks on eggshells when using words because he doesn't want to piss off the Left nor piss of the Right but in the end, he is pro-oil
Keystone went through because Trudeau pushed to keep it alive and because cheeto Benito approved it. I can also guarantee that nobody in manufacturing or other industries like film/entertainment were particularly pleased with a strong petro-dollar.
edit: The economy is in shambles? What?
Buba Big Guns
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Harper himself signed onto the phasing out of oil, along with the rest of the G7. Add in countries like China and India, who are quickly implementing systems that will eventually transition their economy from being powered by fossil fuels, and denying the eventual long term phase-out amounts to willful ignorance.
The CPC are sticking with old ideas of focusing their efforts on oil money, when we should be thinking of how Canada should be a global leader in the new economy. What better time for Canada to lead when you have a lunatic running the US, and oil is in the shitter.
IIRC economic growth was projected to be a tepid 1.1% in 2016 to a larger 2%+ in 2017, and closer to sub-3% in 2018. I get people want to point to the oil industry as the reason but more than that it's been the quieter housing market and weaker manufacturing thanks to the imploding peso. A stronger oil price of which is largely outside of the hands of the Canadian and provincial governments wouldn't address these issues. Like, Trudeau approved keystone and some pipelines already, short of that I don't know what anyone else could want from him as far as the petro-dollar is concerned; if you want the heydey of Albertan oil back go yell at OPEC.
killer rin
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Mulcair came out and called Trump a Fascist yesterday... though unfortunately Trudeau has to be "diplomatic" if he doesn't want to fuck over Canada with president golden showers running the show.
While I can see that Trudeau will stay quiet to not worsen relations, I also feel like EVERY country leader has to come out and speak out against Trump. If it hurts US GOP congressmen backpockets that's the ONLY way they'll impeach Trump. Hurt their business interests since they clearly don't care about anything else. And the only way to hurt their business interests is to make it clear that American companies that do business overseas will be hurt by Trump's policies.
As I say this:
good. Makes me feel a bit better right now.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1338685
I don't think i'll ever ever understand anyone who wants to privatize healthcare here in canada. We've seen time and time again that when it comes to the well being of the nation and its people, that corporations will never ever regulate themselves effectively nor will they ever have the best interests of the people at heart. I'd rather not have millions in crippling debt or die outright because they couldn't afford out of pocket surgery thank you very fucking much. Hell just look at the water crises happening in recent years due to extremely poor regulation and cooperate greedy fuckery.
Yeah, I fully expect all the other party leaders (maybe minus Conservatives) denouncing him in the loudest way possible. I also fully expect Trudeau to keep his mouth shut because it would be fucking stupid to insult the USA in our current position. Its just a super poor strategic move, especially right now. I think trudeau gets that, and I also expect that he'll try to "say" what he thinks in really roundabout ways. Probably a few speeches about equality, about Canadian values of diversity and probably reaching a hand out to refugees and so forth, but I don't expect him to say "screw donald" anytime soon. Edit: looking at the post above, i was spot on!
I also expect people will see this and say "wow trudeau is being such a weakling to trump, we need someone strong" which could fuck us up horribly internally because my god lots of the public just don't think shit through -_-
Basically its a balancing act that Trudeau is playing now, and really difficult one at that.
The problem comes it when you consider that most of canada's major cities and activity is right beside the border. If we anger a pissed off and whiny trump on a bad day, we are really really vulnerable (especially considering military size). While trump would be a straight up idiot if an invasion did happen since that could lead to straight up global war, I can't trust Trump or the GOP on being "smart" about that sort of shit. Trudeau, at least in my opinion is better keeping his mouth shut and letting the world denounce him first, then join in.
Regardless. being the angel's voice on the devil's shoulder would probably still be the better strategy for now.
Yeah, I fully expect all the other party leaders (maybe minus Conservatives) denouncing him in the loudest way possible. I also fully expect Trudeau to keep his mouth shut because it would be fucking stupid to insult the USA in our current position. Its just a super poor strategic move, especially right now. I think trudeau gets that, and I also expect that he'll try to "say" what he thinks in really roundabout ways. Probably a few speeches about equality, about Canadian values of diversity and probably reaching a hand out to refugees and so forth, but I don't expect him to say "screw donald" anytime soon. Edit: looking at the post above, i was spot on!
I also expect people will see this and say "wow trudeau is being such a weakling to trump, we need someone strong" which could fuck us up horribly internally because my god lots of the public just don't think shit through -_-
Basically its a balancing act that Trudeau is playing now, and really difficult one at that.
The problem comes it when you consider that most of canada's major cities and activity is right beside the border. If we anger a pissed off and whiny trump on a bad day, we are really really vulnerable (especially considering military size). While trump would be a straight up idiot if an invasion did happen since that could lead to straight up global war, I can't trust Trump or the GOP on being "smart" about that sort of shit. Trudeau, at least in my opinion is better keeping his mouth shut and letting the world denounce him first, then join in.
Regardless. being the angel's voice on the devil's shoulder would probably still be the better strategy for now.
There are plenty of Albertans who are doing just fine, don't particularly care about pipelines, and are horrified by the looming merger of the Wild Rose and PC. I feel like Calgary and RM Wood Buffalo would see the province/country/world go to hell in a hand basket thanks to climate change as long as it meant "just one more cycle (I'll save money this time for sure!"). That's the impression I get from the friends and relatives I have in O&G. Kevin O'Leary is following Trump's lead, pretending the national economy is a Great Depression style disaster. On a case by case basis, it can look pretty bad. On the whole, though, not so much.
As for privatized healthcare, I imagine it would be the joke that private insurance is here in Alberta. Sask and MB were both notably cheaper.
Vancouverite here.
Don't lump us in with those right-wing losers in Alberta and Saskatchewan.
Can he lump you in with us leftist losers in Alberta (and Saskatchewan)? Lol
You mean the people who are dragging those provinces, kicking and screaming, into the 21 century?
Gladly!
No thanks. This is absolutely NOT what he needs to do. He should continue to subtweet and stuff, but vocally calling out Trump will only lead to misery for us, and I wish that more people would see that who are calling for Trudeau to unilaterally start screaming at Trump. This doesn't mean he has to kiss the ring and endorse Trump's evil, but he needs to walk the balancing act. We need to get through the next hopefully 4 years as unscathed as we can. This is a dangerous time - we need to resist how we can put not provoke.
Would any of you honestly put it past Trump to annex Canada? There is literally nothing stopping him from doing this - our government would capitulate instantly (and rightly so because we have no nukes), and no other country (despite big words) is going to go to war against the US to defend Canada.
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