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[Sakura]

I assume if it stays 43-41, probably the safest move they can do is not vote on anything. Take the speaker position, ask for official party status, and then agree not to vote on any confidence measures. Hitching yourself to either party just seems like political suicide either way.

Don't you need 4 seats to get official party status?
But yea in a minority government I feel their best play would to be their own party and not try to do a coalition. A minority government won't last long anyway, and they could strengthen their odds for a next election.

 

[mo60]

Oh no. 44-40-3 now.

 

[Kinsei]

It's not looking good.

 

[RC]

Oh no. 44-40-3 now.

The dream is dead. Damn you hillibillies.

 

[Sean C]

Don't you need 4 seats to get official party status?

At present, yes, but if there was a minority they could easily demand a change in the rules as part of whatever deal they cut.

 

[mo60]

43-41-3 now.

 

[Sinistral]

Ugh these advanced polls...

 

[MMarston]

lol, 44... rip NDP.

 

[firehawk12]

That's not safe, that would be understood to be ceding power to the Liberals, but being really wishy-washy about it.

Hitching to the Liberals if your voters want change would be a big mistake... and hitching yourself to the NDP when you want to beat them is probably a LibDem style suicide move.

Although it might all be academic if the Liberals can get 44... lol

Don't you need 4 seats to get official party status?
But yea in a minority government I feel their best play would to be their own party and not try to do a coalition. A minority government won't last long anyway, and they could strengthen their odds for a next election.

Yeah, that's why lowering the official party status to 3 or fewer would probably a priority for the Greens.

 

[B-Dex]

Back to 43 41 3

 

[Smiley90]

Hopefully this is all sorted out by tomorrow morning...

 

[Tiktaalik]

Seems like things ride on Vancouver False Creek and Courtney Comox

 

[lupinko]

I think that nice letter I wrote along with that book made by my students reenergized Christy Clark.

That and crazy Trump anti-trade rhetoric.

 

[mo60]

The liberals winning 44 seats is pretty bad also. One bad byelection could give them a minority government.

 

[sikkinixx]

Welp. Come on don't let those fuckers get to 44

 

[Sakura]

At present, yes, but if there was a minority they could easily demand a change in the rules as part of whatever deal they cut.

Maybe, but I'm not sure the Liberals would want to give them official party status too easily.
And besides, considering their performance tonight, I feel they have a good chance to win at least 4 seats next time around any way.

 

[firehawk12]

If the Liberals do get 44, I wonder if Greens will be seen as Ralph Nader-like spoilers or if we'll get another "NDP are shit" post-mortem. lol

 

[Kinsei]

Please hold.

 

[Sakura]

If the Liberals do get 44, I wonder if Greens will be seen as Ralph Nader-like spoilers or if we'll get another "NDP are shit" post-mortem. lol

The NDP vote share so far is like the same as last election though. If anything the Greens have been stealing votes from other parties haven't they?

 

[Tiktaalik]

Libs win Coquitlam Burke Mountain. Greens had 2500 votes there. Already you gotta wonder about how a vote split is impacting the election.

 

[MMarston]

If the Liberals do get 44, I wonder if Greens will be seen as Ralph Nader-like spoilers or if we'll get another "NDP are shit" post-mortem. lol

Only time I can see that scenario happening is if they got wrecked like their federal counterparts in 2015.

 

[mo60]

If the NDP are lucky they may win that one close Richmond riding.

 

[Sean C]

Maybe, but I'm not sure the Liberals would want to give them official party status too easily.

"Give us official party status or we back the NDP."
"Okay."

It's not a hill anybody wants to die on.

 

[Firestorm]

Courtenay-Comox and Richmond-Queensborough to decide it...

Ugh please don't let them hit 44.

 

[lupinko]

Courtenay-Comox is the riding in question right now.

 

[Tiktaalik]

COURTNEY COMOX FOR NDP 9 VOTES

 

[newtypepilot]

The NDP vote share so far is like the same as last election though. If anything the Greens have been stealing votes from other parties haven't they?

A lot of people are tired of the liberals and wanted change, but some are reluctant to go NDP, especially those who had experienced the NDP government during the 90s.

 

[Sean C]

LOL, the polls are in in Courtenay-Comox and the NDP candidate finishes ahead by 9 votes.

 

[Kinsei]

I guess we can safely say that the result will be a Lib minority.

 

[Tiktaalik]

JESUS

 

[firehawk12]

9 votes, holy crap. lol

 

[Firestorm]

9 votes for what probably determines minority vs majority

there gonna be a recount

 

[lupinko]

Yeah liberal minority unless the Greens play kingmaker.

 

[CazTGG]

The NDP vote share so far is like the same as last election though. If anything the Greens have been stealing votes from other parties haven't they?

Probably the former. If not, you'll be hearing more complaints about representation via the popular vote thanks to FPTP favoring strategic voting that creates false majorities (the Greens would have close to 14 seats instead of the 3 they currently hold and the NDP/Liberals would hover around the mid 30s), especially given the renewed discussion thanks to the federal Liberals now abandoned electoral reform.

 

[lupinko]

A lot of people are tired of the liberals and wanted change, but some are reluctant to go NDP, especially those who had experienced the NDP government during the 90s.

The super ferries will forever haunt Glen Clark.

 

[Sakura]

"Give us official party status or we back the NDP."
"Okay."

It's not a hill anybody wants to die on.

Sure.
But what about the NDP, do they want to Greens to have official party status? Maybe they would be willing to support something if it means keeping them from having that. Or maybe the Liberals would just rather call another election. Giving the Greens official party status might help them pass a bill, but it's only going to hurt the other parties in future elections.
That being said a coalition on the other hand could do it.

 

[mo60]

I wouldn't count out Richmond Queensborough right now.

 

[Sean C]

I guess we can safely say that the result will be a Lib minority.

Depends on how the Greens want to play it.

Sure.
But what about the NDP, do they want to Greens to have official party status? Maybe they would be willing to support something if it means keeping them from having that. Or maybe the Liberals would just rather call another election. Giving the Greens official party status might help them pass a bill, but it's only going to hurt the other parties in future elections.

The NDP is not going to support the Liberals just to keep the Greens from getting official party status. That would be a total forfeiture of legitimacy, and for something that isn't really that big a deal when the Greens are already the acknowledged kingmakers.

 

[newtypepilot]

The super ferries will forever haunt Glen Clark.

the fast ferries was just the tip of the iceberg. Besides, he created that mess in the first place.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Again if the BC Greens prop up the Libs they're totally dead to me forever

 

[firehawk12]

Sure.
But what about the NDP, do they want to Greens to have official party status? Maybe they would be willing to support something if it means keeping them from having that. Or maybe the Liberals would just rather call another election. Giving the Greens official party status might help them pass a bill, but it's only going to hurt the other parties in future elections.

I think it depends. If it stays 43-41, then the NDP would really need to give the Greens anything they want if they want to form government since there's absolutely no margin for error there.

Depends on how the Greens want to play it.

Do Lt. GGs have to follow precedents set by the GG?
I assume if the Liberals have a lead, they'll get a chance to form government regardless of any coalition plans by the Greens/NDP.

 

[MMarston]

Again if the BC Greens prop up the Libs they're totally dead to me forever

I'm certain they'll be dead to a lot of people forever.

 

[lupinko]

I wouldn't count out Richmond Queensborough right now.

I dunno, New West was Paul Forseth's old backyard combined with how Richmond is pretty Centre-right in general.

 

[Smiley90]

NINE votes? Jesus.

Dont be stupid now Greens.

 

[Sean C]

Do Lt. GGs have to follow precedents set by the GG?
I assume if the Liberals have a lead, they'll get a chance to form government regardless of any coalition plans by the Greens/NDP.

The Liberals have the right to meet the legislature. Technically even a government that has seen its opponent win a majority has the right to do that. But if the NDP and the Greens cut a deal, they can oust the government on the first day of the legislative session. They have the numbers, and that's all that matters (and in the face of that, I doubt Clark would bother trying to stay).

 

[Tiktaalik]

Sam Sullivan in Vancouver False Creek would have been roasted if the Greens as NDP were allied (Greens 2000+ votes). I recognize that not every Green is gonna support the NDP but still.

 

[firehawk12]

The Liberals have the right to meet the legislature. Technically even a government that has seen its opponent win a majority has the right to do that. But if the NDP and the Greens cut a deal, they can oust the government on the first day of the legislative session. They would have the numbers.

Oh yeah, but technically the Liberals would still be government until then.

It would be funny if the Lt. GG just said fuck it and made them do another election if the government fell. (I wonder if s/he can do that. lol)

 

[Infinite Stars]

Hahahaha NDP winning by nine votes in the town where my family lives.

That's just hillarious.

Here's hoping that we get Green as the kingmaker to the NDP, because dear Lord I can't handle Christie Clarke anymore.

 

[firehawk12]

I guess we're at the point in the broadcast where there's nothing to talk about so let's just read tweets and memes. lol

 

[Sean C]

It would be funny if the Lt. GG just said fuck it and made them do another election if the government fell. (I wonder if s/he can do that. lol)

They could, yes, but they wouldn't. A premier who is defeated at the very start of the legislative session has no entitlement to a dissolution, as there's been no effort whatsoever to see if the parliament can be made to work.