Probably one of the rare times where cutting to commercial seems like a viable option.
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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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Probably one of the rare times where cutting to commercial seems like a viable option.
Pretty sure everyone just wants to go home and get some sleep at this point.
No one is going to claim victory tonight besides the green.
firehawk12
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Clark speaking first??
newtypepilot
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CBC declared minority government.
firehawk12
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lol this is a victory speech.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I have to imagine backroom deals have been made and Greens are supporting the Liberals after this speech.
If they don't have a deal, then this is the most pointless speech ever made. lol
That's going to bury them.
It sure seems that way.
firehawk12
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Greens are up... here we go.
Oh wow, they're both going up at the same time. I think it's clear the Greens are going to prop up the Liberals. lol
Oh wow, they're both going up at the same time. I think it's clear the Greens are going to prop up the Liberals. lol
newtypepilot
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LOL green leader speech getting cut in favour of NDP
There's still a lot to like for the NDP in these results.
firehawk12
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The best part of these speeches is that it proved the Liberal talking head lady wrong when she said no one should speak tonight. lol
Red The Hunter
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As someone from south of the border in neighbouring Washington state, this has been an interesting election to watch unfold tonight and kinda amazed in how close BC Lib and NDP have been throughout the night.
I voted NDP but 🙄 to this
KyanMehwulfe
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On CBC I heard Comox last election had more absentee votes for NDP than LIB so not sure if it will flip, but that is one chance for 44. Just needs to catch up 8 votes :O
That said, I check the Comox thing CBC reference and it does look right.. NDP lost last time with 38% of the vote (to Lib 44%) but they outperformed with absentee votes getting 42% of it. Same thing in 2009, so there's a trend of NDP outperforming on absentee votes there. Based on both '09 and '13, they could gain a lead of an extra 20-30 votes over Libs if they outperform by a few percent points again.
That said, it's a slightly different riding this time around, and two new candidates for both parties, so who knows.... I think Libs generally do a little better with absentee voting, and the Comox guy is an ex-base commander. Maybe he'd do slightly better with army personnel or retiree snowbirds out of province lol at least enough to pick up 9 votes
Also a chance but pretty unlikely at Maple Ridge-Mission where it was won for NDP by 120 votes, too, but the Lib candidate behind by 120 was the incumbent with 46% of the vote but 48.5% of the absentee vote. I looked at how many more people voted this time around and total absentee votes for that riding, and if he trended a bit higher with absentee voters again he'd likely catch up by about 25-30 votes. THere's just not enough absentee voters generally in a lot of this ridings to pick up 100+ votes unless absent voters vote >10% differently than the general vote.
NDP could also get an extra too but closest one left I think is in Coquitlam and looks like 170 votes. But that riding only had 692 absentee votes last election... NDP would need to take like 62% of the absentee vote on a 44/44 general split... absentee vote deviating that is probably super rare.
So, 41 for NDP seems pretty certain, but Libs got one pretty rare chance and one decent chance at getting 44. Still seems unlikely in both cases based on past election trends, and though the 100 vote margins seem pretty unlikely to shift, that Comox one really could end up giving Clark the 44 seat majority.
Jagmeet Singh To Jump Into Federal NDP Leadership Race - Huffington Post
IIRC a few months ago Singh was unsure whether or he would enter the leadership race for the federal NDP or stay within the Ontario NDP and take over the leadership role from Andrea Howarth following the upcoming provincial election. Guess we know the answer!
IIRC a few months ago Singh was unsure whether or he would enter the leadership race for the federal NDP or stay within the Ontario NDP and take over the leadership role from Andrea Howarth following the upcoming provincial election. Guess we know the answer!
bonesmccoy
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Really interesting night. My riding has been an NDP lock forever and went Green. Fascinating to see how 2 local environmental issues pushed Furstenau well past the NDP and Liberal candidates. I didn't vote for her, but I have zero issues with her being our MLA.
I fully expect the Greens to work with the Liberals in the upcoming government.
I fully expect the Greens to work with the Liberals in the upcoming government.
matthewwhatever
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Official party status is a construct of the legislature, and can be changed depending on the whims & preferences of the government. There's precedent in other provinces for lowering the seat count required for party status...though if Clark were to go by B.C. precedent (the NDP didn't get status when they were reduced to 2 seats in 2001), she wouldn't give it to the Greens. This is obviously a completely different situation, though, and the Liberals have a vested interest in boosting the Greens at the expense of the NDP. I think she gives it to them.
This isn't as crazy as it sounds. Even though they're tied together by the NDP's ridiculous policy of saying the federal party and all the provincial parties are linked, in practice the Alberta and BC NDP want pretty different things. Having a BC NDP government would make things much harder for the Alberta NDP than a BC Liberal government.
This is 100% incorrect: she absolutely is given the role because she was the old premier. Under our system of government, the incumbent always gets the first shot at forming government. They can resign, recognizing that they have zero chance of winning a confidence vote (i.e. Kim Campbell would've looked like a nut trying to win the House's confidence in 1993 with only 2 seats), but if they don't, they retain power until they lose it in the legislature, at which point the crown (GG federally, LG provincially) either asks the opposition to try and form government, or they dissolve the legislature and drop the writ of election.
Nah, he's been plotting his federal run since early last fall, at least. I know one of his organizers. They were just waiting until after the BC election, because most of his campaign team is BC-based.
If Singh doesn't win, it'll be a massive upset.
hahah looking back on my comment from last night it was way too snarky. Many many beers into the evening.
I dunno about plotting against, but the leadership of the abndp was actively pushing their caucus and members not to campaign for bcndp.
Like matthewwhatever said, they have very different goals right now. It's kind of a microcosm of the split the party has in general between its environmentalist wing and its union wing. Which, to be fair, are really hard to reconcile and anyone who thinks they've got it solved and calls themselves both is fooling themselves. A lot of jobs that are generally unionized in NA are jobs that are bad for the environment.
It's so depressing waking up to see the BC Libs continue to govern. I've lived in Van for seven years but as a permanent resident I don't have a vote. I qualify for citizenship in nine months, so I'm looking forward to my first opportunity to vote against them
Vancouver's transition into a resort town for the wealthy looks set to continue
Vancouver's transition into a resort town for the wealthy looks set to continue
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...dings-where-vote-split-hurt-the-ndp-1.4107785
Thanks Green party. Vote splitting: fucking things up for everyone.
If even threeof the closest: Richmind-Q, Van-False Creek and Coq-Burke hadn't run Greens the NDP would be running shit. Weak sauce.
Thanks Green party. Vote splitting: fucking things up for everyone.
If even threeof the closest: Richmind-Q, Van-False Creek and Coq-Burke hadn't run Greens the NDP would be running shit. Weak sauce.
It bothers me that so many provincial parties have the same name as federal parties. It just causes confusion amongst the average voter. BC NDP are pro environment. AB NDP are somewhat pro union it seems. In the grand scheme of the political spectrum BC liberals are basically blue and AB NDP are basically red at a cursory glance but various names are poison in different regions so why stand by those names at all?
Think of it this way: The BC Libs know they'd be hammered the minute they go for something akin to maybe the BC Progressive Conservatives.
bonesmccoy
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Well, the BC Liberals are more of the centrist party that will link itself/turn heel to whichever federal establishment party is currently popular.
Or: fucking NDP, screwing up a Green Party majority.
Salty takes about vote-splitting are at best ignorant without more information. We don't know what percentage of people who voted Green would ever even consider voting NDP.
Or: fucking NDP, screwing up a Green Party majority.
Salty takes about vote-splitting are at best ignorant without more information. We don't know what percentage of people who voted Green would ever even consider voting NDP.
gutter_trash
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Agreed.
I want a Federal Bill that forces all non-affiliated Provincial parties to change their names
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