Canadian senator recommends giving murderers rope inside their prison cells
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Phonomezer
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What a wonderfully Medieval idea. I like it.
That's just our awful Conservative government.
Well of course you make him give it back before letting him out.
Neuromancer
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This is something you should never actually say out loud.
Trigger Warning
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GalacticSushiman
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As far as I know jails are not only built to redeem, but also to protect people outside from the people inside. And yes, it does cost money.
Freshmaker
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Didn't work that well on Napoleon.
A less bigoted Deku
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We should also break away from the Monarchy and save ourselves even more.
I don't know, traditions are hard to break. And I much prefer an elected senate serving 10 year terms as the reflective body that slows down any populist mob driven reforms from the house with perhaps equal representation by province.
They'd also be less prone to being voted out by waves and the political fortunes of certain parties in fickle provinces like Quebec.
As for the this senator's comment, it's kind of sad what happened to him, and I do believe being the victim of a repeat offender does give a person some insight but this particular suggestion verges on being punitive. And it's completely against what our justice system is about.
What other crazy stuff has he said? Also sometimes extreme grief can cause you to say extreme things, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are insane. Frankly I'm someone who is on the victims rights side of things and support the death penalty for heinous murders like the one committed on his daughter, so I am a bit biased.
A less bigoted Deku
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The Canadian senate rubber stamps legistation. They sit in committees and go on fact finding missions.
It's not a very important post politically. Senators have traditionally not been immune for speaking their minds, precisely because the post is relatively meaningless in terms of policy. It's a quirk that I don't mind, until of course they can reform it or eliminate it entirely.
Which we can thank the wonderful people who voted for the government.
Maybe we should just let all the murders who want to due be put in an arena and fight to the death.
Deified Data
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I'm for the death penalty, and doubly for the right of a convicted criminal (or anyone, for that matter) to end their own life.
Rentahamster
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Hey why stop there
SerArthurDayne
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Wa ... What?
Maybe you are talking about Canada, in which case I'm ignorant. But if you are talking about Amerca you are crazy.
Also, fun fact- murderers are the least likely of offenders to be recidivist, repeat offenders!
SpeedingUptoStop
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I guess somebody doesn't see prison as a source of rehabilitation.
ThisWreckage
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Quite frankly, I think it's a brilliant suggestion.
Deified Data
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Forced rehabilitation, that is. Not like he's suggesting prisoners have to use the rope, right?
BlueTsunami
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$2 length of rope or $1,000,000+ in costs for death row inmates. YOU CHOOSE CANADADA.
Edit: lol death row
Edit: lol death row
SpectreFire
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I'm pretty sure you can detect that in a medical exam...
Did you not read the article at all, he says that this should be an option for people who are beyond rehabilitation, which like it or not, those people exists.
Some people just simply cannot be rehabilitated, serial murderers are the first to come into mind. What does society have to gain by locking these people up indefinitely, for decades on end at huge expense? Maybe death isn't the right option, but at least do something with them. Force these people to give back to society in some way or another. Need to send someone into unknown space? Why not pull out a serial-killer? I've sure science has plenty of usage for living humans that are beyond the point of anything morally human.
Damn, was just about to make a joke similar to this.
This is why people who haven't experienced a heart-wrenching personal tragedy should not decide how to punish someone.
There's a reason the justice system doesn't work like that.
I think the idea is insane. Can you imagine how much pressure this would put on the guards? They would basically have to stand by and watch someone hang him/herself.
Also, offering lifers the chance to hang themselves because of economic reasons is borderline psychopathic.
Odo!
Punishment should not be based on emotion and a desire for revenge. It's supposed to be rational, impartial, and intended to keep people safe.
SpeedingUptoStop
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I dunno, it just seems to me like it's more like society is encouraging murderers to kill themselves in a "society no longer wants you or has use for you" way, which doesn't really seem to do much to encourage those who don't kill themselves to be more positively active in society if they do get out.
Not to mention how many real prison murders would be covered up if you gave everybody nooses.
Yeah, justice should be based on vengeance and anger. Good call.
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SpectreFire
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Yeah, but my argument and certainly this senators argument, is that there are people, who will never contribute positively to society in any intentional way. Some people are just pure evil, they won't ever change, all they will do is hurt others. What do you do with those?
I'm saying killing them seems a waste when scientific, and especially medical research, has plenty of uses for living human specimens.
I would say, instead of the death penalty, if someone is found absolutely 100% guilty of a very heinous crime, they their punishment should be to forfeit their life to science. If you've murdered something or a string of people, your debt to society should be repayed by being a tool to help cure cancer or aids.
Yes, I was reading an article on this in the Edmonton Journal about the so-called "Lifers" (ie. murders) who got parole after serving time. Most of them are actually fairly active citizens after years and years, but are still monitored by their parole officers.
Most people don't realize that repeat offenders are usually in-and-out of prisons because their sentences are served concurrently. Add to the fact that these crimes (ie. assault, theft, etc) have relatively short sentences, they're back out on the streets faster (ie. less rehabilitation) to commit more crimes.
Could you cite your sources please? I'm really interested in hearing about a person who's murdered one person, let alone more and get out in 10 years....
edit; I found an interesting article from December 2010.... now, is this sentence the norm here in Canada? I'd think not... >_>
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Well, I don't think denying them the right to end their life is the answer. Innocent people in prison is always a shitty situation.
Jailed innocents will always be a fact of our antagonistic justice system compared to the investigatory systems in some parts of Europe. Evidence is presented and argued.
why is it that there's always some unspecified system in europe that's better than ours but no one actually specifically mentions what and why
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