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[MikeDown]

Can't say I really take the sub-humans ninnys at Yahoo and the Center for Environmental Health seriously as they tend to overreact to everything. Though it is nice to know Head&Shoulders isn't on that list.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Everything causes cancer.

I would rather people say being alive causes cancer. All kinds of different living things get cancer, though it's not like cancer is a singular disease; it's an umbrella term.

 

[Femmeworth]

Further information.

Health and Safety Code section 25249.8(a) incorporates California Labor Code sections 6382(b)(1) and 6382(d) into Proposition 65. The law requires that certain substances identified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) be listed as known to cause cancer under Proposition 65. Labor Code section 6382(b)(1) refers to substances identified as human or animal carcinogens by IARC. Labor Code section 6382(d) refers to substances identified as carcinogens or potential carcinogens by IARC or NTP. Information regarding carcinogenicity classifications by IARC may be found at the following URL: http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Preamble/CurrentPreamble.pdf (IARC Preamble).

http://oehha.ca.gov/prop65/prop65_list/062212list.html

The IARC's report on coconut oil diethanolamine condensate can be found here. (Page 155.)

 

[Koomaster]

See I'm not seeing any overly credible sources. And anecdotes aren't scientific data. There seem to be numerous users of H&S not going bald.

Also recessive traits could lead to them going bald.

Also anecdotal but I have used H&S since High School and haven't gone bald nor has my hairline receded. I have very full thick hair. So it could be only coincidence or something else that people have gone bald from H&S. Or I just have superhuman hair.

 

[DonMigs85]

Today I learned nothing organic can cause cancer.

they can still cause organic cancer

 

[ntropy]

Toys R Us has a shampoo product? wtf

 

[Femmeworth]

Toys R Us has a shampoo product? wtf

Baby shampoo.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Can we get a list of things that don't cause cancer?

 

[Horse Detective]

Daily Shampoo

American Crew Classic

American Crew

 

[Lyte Edge]

Some handsoap we have has this chemical, so OK- will make sure not to buy that brand again. Easy enough.

 

[freenudemacusers]

hey if american crew gives me a little cancer it's worth it

 

[Qrusher14242]

Dang, i use the Tea Tree stuff

I just use it cause i read that it helps with dry scalp/excema

 

[JaseMath]

Noooo! I use American Crew shampoo AND the conditioner. My wife has her cosmetic license and my bottles last like 6 months.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I cant find any credible website that claims H&S causes baldness.



Chemicals.





Chemicals.

goddam.

 

[Femmeworth]

Can we get a list of things that don't cause cancer?

Water.

Edit: Scratch that.

 

[tokyostomp]

good thing i don't use soap or shampoo!

 

[olympia]

The findings were published by a consumer watchdog Enviromental lobby group.

 

[hateradio]

Yes, neither Dove nor Caress on the list . . . but do we know if they tested those?

diethanolamine

D:

 

[Nesotenso]

Can we get a list of things that don't cause cancer?

If we go by the daily mail, that is a small list

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I use Neuma shampoo and Sachajuan shampoo. Expensive but quality products I recommend them to anyone who is using something on this lawsuit list looking to change.

 

[Intheflorsh]

That's cocamide DEA, for sure? My shampoo has cocamide MEA.

 

[InsanerBrainer]

Can we get a list of things that don't cause cancer?

Shampoo.

 

[Timedog]

You seem awfully fond of the naturalistic fallacy these days.



oh no!!! scary names! sulfates!!!!!

Please point out other posts where I used naturalistic fallacy, or where the post you quoted was fallacious.

 

[CornBurrito]

Please point out other posts where I used naturalistic fallacy, or where the post you quoted was fallacious.

Perhaps I was wrong, but I took your post as implying that natural shampoos are somehow inherently safer/better than ones containing non-natural chemicals.

 

[Timedog]

Perhaps I was wrong, but I took your post as implying that natural shampoos are somehow inherently safer/better than ones containing non-natural chemicals.

The ones I use work better for me than any one's i've used with 40 artificial chemicals listed on the label. I'm still interested in where I've used the naturalistic fallacy. Also where I'm anti-science.

 

[Kurdel]

The ones I use work better for me than any one's i've used with 40 artificial chemicals listed on the label. I'm still interested in where I've used the naturalistic fallacy. Also where I'm anti-science.

Well this post could be seem like that:

LOL. I use Dr. Bronners for soap, and an olive oil shampoo and conditioner where I can actually tell what all the (few) (natural) ingredients are.

Weird how they work better than that bullshit with 40 artificial chemicals.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

They don't cause cancer unless you use a ridiculously massive dose that no one will ever use. It's bs. Cells dividing causes cancer. Cancer has been around since the beginning of time.

Bingo.

Always with the "scary sounding chemicals OMG!!!" considering that many of them are natural compounds, just synthesized for purity and ease of use in manufacturing.
Also, I'd say something about animal, especially rat studies, since some species have pretty high genetic prevalence of cancer. Some of the most famous anti-GMO "studies" have been with these rats.

 

[Ghost23]

Use Dove and TREsemee, so it looks like I'm good!

 

[Social]

Ew.

You are aware that we do not need to use shampoo right? Advertisement and society fooled you into thinking you do.

If you stop using soap and shampoo for about 2 weeks, your body gets its naturel oils back that keep everything nice and non greasy for you! It's amazing once you realise that you can just use water and NOTHING else.

I never use soap or shampoo on my body at all, only soap to wash my hands.

It's great and most skin problems I had before went away very fast.

Google it

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I live LA and we are in a heatwave, I'd rather not smell you anti-soap hippies from a mile away.

 

[Timedog]

Well this post could be seem like that:

Explain. Use logic.

I live LA and we are in a heatwave, I'd rather not smell you anti-soap hippies from a mile away.

Very hot water works better for me at removing smell than soap + somewhat hot water. It also seems to be better for my skin. I use soap though cause I can't stand very hot water.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Explain. Use logic.

Extolling the virtues of "organics" and denouncing chemicals IS the naturalistic fallacy.

 

[pelicansurf]

Gotta die of something, guys.

 

[davepoobond]

Soon also to be found in artificial meat.

Just sayin'.

are you saying they're going to put modified coconut oil into meat for no reason?

 

[Timedog]

Extolling the virtues of "organics" and denouncing chemicals IS the naturalistic fallacy.

So in order to not use the naturalistic fallacy, I'd have to lie about the products I use working better for me because they aren't filled with artificial chemicals? I'm not understanding your post. Please rephrase and provide a logical train of thought.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I find it amusingly ironic that it is derived from coconut oil given diet fad happy gaf just drowns in that stuff.

 

[Coreda]

Gotta die of something, guys.

I clean my hair with bicarb soda so I don't think I have anything to worry about.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

So in order to not use the naturalistic fallacy, I'd have to lie about the products I use working better for me because they aren't filled with artificial chemicals? I'm not understanding your post. Please rephrase and provide a logical train of thought.

You are implying that it is better not because of an opinion that it works for you better on personal level but claiming without any shred of evidence that it is because of chemicals, some of which are probably in the chemical makeup of the organic shampoos anyway.

Lol on your values of logic, you are just doing mental gymnastics and not being logical at all.

 

[Devolution]

Not really sure where people get off chiding someone for not using shampoos/soaps full of shit to make it lather more that ends up drying your skin/hair out more than it helps.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

You got empirical proof or anecdotes, because my family uses a lot of what is on the list and no one complains about having dry skin, but again that's just anecdote and I am no way you just use one or the other or claiming it's because whether or not is has "chemicals" or not.

 

[ledman]

Bald people less likely to develop cancer confirmed.

 

[Devolution]

You got empirical proof or anecdotes, because my family uses a lot of what is on the list and no one complains about having dry skin, but again that's just anecdote and I am no way you just use one or the other or claiming it's because whether or not is has "chemicals" or not.

Sorry what? It's not hard to find out about sodium laureth sulfate and its effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_laureth_sulfate#Irritation

 

[Timedog]

You are implying that it is better not because of an opinion that it works for you better on personal level but claiming without any shred of evidence that it is because of chemicals, some of which are probably in the chemical makeup of the organic shampoos anyway.

Because of the very idea of chemicals, or because of the chemicals used? I have no problem using stuff with chemicals. In fact, I do it all day long. If it works, it works. The artificial stuff doesn't work well for me for hair, body soap, or deodorant (although I use an artificial chemical for weekly anti-perspirant).

 

[Forkball]

Ctrl F Dove

I'LL LIVE

 

[Femmeworth]

You got empirical proof or anecdotes, because my family uses a lot of what is on the list and no one complains about having dry skin, but again that's just anecdote and I am no way you just use one or the other or claiming it's because whether or not is has "chemicals" or not.

What. Go home Classy, you're drunk.

 

[firen]

Thank goodness I don't bathe or shower.

 

[FyreWulff]

Surprised it isn't in Suave or Selsun Blue, unless I ctrl-f'd wrong.

 

[Devolution]

What.

Apparently irritating deteregents being foam agents is new to him.

 

[SteveWinwood]

How on earth can all of you be missing the points so badly?

All he is saying is that this:

LOL. I use Dr. Bronners for soap, and an olive oil shampoo and conditioner where I can actually tell what all the (few) (natural) ingredients are.

Weird how they work better than that bullshit with 40 artificial chemicals.

Sounds like he's saying it does work better BECAUSE it doesn't have 40 "artificial" chemicals.

And then he said it works better for me so I use it, cool whatever. That gets called out as being anecdotal, because it is. And now people are on Classy's back because shampoo doesn't give his family dry skin and that apparently makes him drunk.

All you have to ask is: Timedog do you believe the shampoo you use works better for you BECAUSE it doesn't have the 40 artificial chemicals or just because it does?

 

[Alcotholic]

I stopped using shampoo altogether months ago. My scalp and hair is super healthy.