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Capcom Jumping Back Into Fighting Games?
- Thread starter KingJ2002
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erm... it's not really that hard. Hit fierce after karakusa ends? It'd take maybe two minutes of practice. Do karakusa... then hit fierce!
Also, I dunno about those tiers. Makoto is definitely not above Ken in Japanese tiers. Ken is still in solid third, while a couple of people think Urien (I know mopreme is very vigilant about Urien being 2nd best, but he's weird) and Dudley are tops, but they're not. Top is still Yun, Chun, Ken, in that order. Makoto loses to all three of those characters. How could she be top? She's totally random. She also loses to Elena.
Yun is bar-none the best character in 3S. Charges bar fast, and when Genei-jin is activated he's the most dangerous character in the game, bar-none. The only thing that can stop genei-jin is parrying a dash punch, shoulder check or low forward, and if any of those miss, you're dead, because Yun already has a custom ready. Since Yun can just stay outside of Makoto's range and charge bar and just wait for her to dash in, he's better than Makoto.
Chun just has to sit around and mash back fierce. Makoto's low forward will beat back fierce, but first you have to dash in to get in range, and by then, if Chun has bar, she can just mash low forward because it'll stop Makoto's dashes all day. And Makoto can't jump in, so she's still in trouble. She's better than Makoto.
Ken's like Chun. Run away, charge bar. Makoto can charge bar too! Ken's charges faster though. She dashes, but Ken has low forward. Mash low forward and buffer in supers. She's pretty boned there. He's better than Makoto.
Where has anyone said Makoto was top-tier? I've certainly never heard that mentioned by anyone, and especially not the Japanese players. Spellmaster J's Makoto won SBO 2K4, sure. But that was more Spellmaster J than Makoto, and he's retired now anyway. Makoto is totally not top tier.
Top tier: Yun, Chun, Ken, in that order. Middle tier, Urien, Dudley, Makoto, and everyone else behind them.
Also, I dunno about those tiers. Makoto is definitely not above Ken in Japanese tiers. Ken is still in solid third, while a couple of people think Urien (I know mopreme is very vigilant about Urien being 2nd best, but he's weird) and Dudley are tops, but they're not. Top is still Yun, Chun, Ken, in that order. Makoto loses to all three of those characters. How could she be top? She's totally random. She also loses to Elena.
Yun is bar-none the best character in 3S. Charges bar fast, and when Genei-jin is activated he's the most dangerous character in the game, bar-none. The only thing that can stop genei-jin is parrying a dash punch, shoulder check or low forward, and if any of those miss, you're dead, because Yun already has a custom ready. Since Yun can just stay outside of Makoto's range and charge bar and just wait for her to dash in, he's better than Makoto.
Chun just has to sit around and mash back fierce. Makoto's low forward will beat back fierce, but first you have to dash in to get in range, and by then, if Chun has bar, she can just mash low forward because it'll stop Makoto's dashes all day. And Makoto can't jump in, so she's still in trouble. She's better than Makoto.
Ken's like Chun. Run away, charge bar. Makoto can charge bar too! Ken's charges faster though. She dashes, but Ken has low forward. Mash low forward and buffer in supers. She's pretty boned there. He's better than Makoto.
Where has anyone said Makoto was top-tier? I've certainly never heard that mentioned by anyone, and especially not the Japanese players. Spellmaster J's Makoto won SBO 2K4, sure. But that was more Spellmaster J than Makoto, and he's retired now anyway. Makoto is totally not top tier.
Top tier: Yun, Chun, Ken, in that order. Middle tier, Urien, Dudley, Makoto, and everyone else behind them.
amodf said:
Compared to say, I dont know, having a million years to hit confirm c.mk with Chun or, maybe compared to Ken's target combo, I'd say Makoto's FP after the Karkusa is a bit more difficult. I don't think it's hard, but I see why people would have troulbe with it. It takes a bit of pratice.
Spellmaster J is a Ken player. You're thinking of J. Spellmaster J's team won SBO 2K4 if I remeber correctly. You might be thinking of Izu who won SBO 2K3.
Anyway, what they are referring to is Pryolee posted some Japanese tiers on SRK that put Makoto right under Yun. Yeah, in theory she loses to all three but she can beat Ken and Chun depending on the player. You can punish Ken's c.mk when wiffed with a Fierce Hayate and you can also punish a blocked sweep with just the same. You tie that in with a couple Karakusas and the match is yours. It's not easy but it's not as impossible as you might think it is.
As for Chun, she loses on wake up for the most part. Her c.jab stops the Karakusa on wake up and in post-hayate situations, but besides that , she isnt as threatining as she is with 2 meters. So the match can go either way depending on how aggressive the Makoto player is.
So I dont nescarrly agree with the tiers, but I can see why they would put her #2. I think tiers should be taken with a grain of salt in the first place. In 3s, about 70% of the equation is the player. Kuroda anyone?
Tain said:
With the exception of some of the early MK games, have American developers ever made a decent fighting game? I'm happy that it's a Japanese developer, and even happier that it's Arc System Works if what jarrod is saying is true. Though I would have preferred the original SF team but oh well...
Another SF rumor I am again going to call bullshit on. ASW? The remnants of Sammy Vs. Capcom becoming SF4? C'mom people, you gotta do better than that. If one game got canned because of quality/politics, you think that those issues could be resolved by a subsidiary in another country hiring the studio that pissed the parent company off? Let alone a game that was only marginally confirmed to exist.
I dunno where jarrod got his info, but his birdie was probably a dead parrot.
I'm looking forward to this "new competitive action game" they are making, especially since I will be able to enjoy it in arcades here in Japan... and I'd love it even more if it was a new arcade version of Powerstone, but the more rumors I hear about SF4, the more I am convinced that it just isn't happening.
I dunno where jarrod got his info, but his birdie was probably a dead parrot.
I'm looking forward to this "new competitive action game" they are making, especially since I will be able to enjoy it in arcades here in Japan... and I'd love it even more if it was a new arcade version of Powerstone, but the more rumors I hear about SF4, the more I am convinced that it just isn't happening.
Shin Johnpv
Member
KingJ2002 said:
jarrod said:Edit~ ACK! The King pooped on my parade.
Arc System Works is making it, Sega was going to publish it but now Capcom's stepped up. It's 2D, for Atomiswave and is what became of "Sammy Vs Capcom".
sweeeet motherfucking baby jesus yes
thank god its going to be 2D now im excited ohhhh shit yes yes
i will be buying this day one import on what ever console its on and the us version the day it hits as well thank you capcom for finally giving me what ive been wanting for so many fucking years
The Friendly Monster
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Since when does non-Japanese mean American?
I seem to remember a game called Killer Instinct.
The Friendly Monster said:
I remember it, too... though for me the game was vintage RARE - all flash and little substance. Well it was OK for the time, but when its sequel came out on N64, 2D fighting games had moved way beyond it by that point.
atomiswave
Member
what gets me hyped up is the fact that arc system works is made up of former capcom and snk employees, so straight back to where it started....unless im wrong and its only one of each. anyways, need to buy SF: Anniversary Collection to hype me up.
atomiswave
Member
ahhh kingj, on top of things...nice to see snk-capcom members post here too (Dash Turbo X)
hopefully the animation is on par or better than SF III.
hopefully the animation is on par or better than SF III.
anotheriori
Member
not to be skeptical.. but any source on Arc working on SF4?
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Rur0ni said:
Is "All" some sort of pansy hidden character in 3rd Strike I have yet to uncover? Because there's a whole heaping pile of HUGO that puts the lie in this comment right quick.
I mean, he sends his bitch in to talk shit for him. His. Bitch.
Poison>Ken.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
LakeEarth said:
That's the thing about Ken in general. People start feeling themselves so much when using Mr.Even-When-I-Scratch-My-Crotch-It-Links-Into-SAII that they play stupid a lot of the time, especially when they see me using Hugo and start to prematurely salivate. I love those Kens.
Also, while we're chatting:
WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ALL THE MOONWALKERS ONLINE IN SF ANNIVERSARY COLLECTION?
Moonwalker, you ask? Oh, you've seen it. Some of you are probably guilty of it. I mean that backwards walk-in-place motion where you've run out of real estate but just can't shake the urge to always back the fuck up and play keep-away. Even when your opponent can't block anymore. And you have over half your life bar. What is up with that?
SiegfriedFM
Member
His. Transsexual. Bitch. Even. Which makes him even cooler.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
SiegfriedFM said:
:lol Never even thought of that. That's one good job they did on "her".
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
^^^
OoOOoooo. Think I'll go break my Gigas now....
OoOOoooo. Think I'll go break my Gigas now....
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
now thats a titty 
anotheriori said:
None. Except Jarrod's dead parrot.. I mean little birdie... that whispered in his ear.
This rumor gets more and more absurd by the day. First it was atomiswave, now ARC for atomiswave....
All the fanboys getting frothed up in this thread are about to be owned in 10 minutes, when the show opens and POOF! No SF4. At least it will teach them to blatantly ignore the facts regarding licensing and development.
Namely that the series belongs to Capcom USA, and they would be absolutely retarded to spend a cent developing for a platform that doesn't even exist in their territory, then spend even more money porting that to home platforms that do (i.e. it would be a home game or a system 2xx game before it would be an atomiswave game), then announce it at a show that has no relevance to their territory, using a developer that may or may not have pissed off their parent company.
EDIT: I have no idea what happened to Sammy Vs. Capcom, or if it even exists/existed. But if it did, and it was being made by ARC, and then it got cancelled... well it either was a quality or political issue. It is the only thing that makes sense.
EDIT: I have no idea what happened to Sammy Vs. Capcom, or if it even exists/existed. But if it did, and it was being made by ARC, and then it got cancelled... well it either was a quality or political issue. It is the only thing that makes sense.
So in essence... your ""facts regarding licensing and development" revolve around previous, nonsensical rumors (that Capcom USA somehow "owns" Street Fighter) while admitting a lack of any knowledge about a formally announced game like Sammy Vs Capcom.tetsuoxb said:
The SF4 rumblings might be a stretch, but not at all due to the shit you're passing off here. So stop being such an asshole about it.
jarrod said:
Capcom USA does own the IP for the Street Fighter series. That is indisputable fact.
BTW: Not sure if you can read Japanese, but it was confirmed on Akiman's blog a while back http://www12.big.or.jp/~akiman/, and I believe all newer legal notices/references refer to Capcom Entertainment, Inc. reserving the rights as opposed to Capcom Co., LTD.
Also: Funamizu (who no longer works at Capcom) standing on a stage and announcing a game at Jamma in September of 2003... a game which nothing EVER officially materialized afterwards... does not a games existance confirm. Lots of games get annouced before they actually exist, and I just claimed to not have a clue what happened to it. I never said it wasn't announced, I said I wasn't sure if it actually exists.
jarrod said:
Um... dude, Akiman's blog talks about it somewhere. If it had a search feature and the time, I'd be happy to prove it to you.
Unfortunately, I am paid to work, not translate posts from famous character designers to shut up fanboys with bad info. If you can wait about 12 hours til I am home and can spend time reading through the old posts, and I don't have anything better to do with my time, maybe I will find and translate his old post for you.
As for the legal notices.
http://www.epicbattlestcg.com/
"Capcom, Mega Man and Resident Evil are registered trademarks of Capcom Co., Ltd. Onimusha, Devil May Cry and Breath of Fire are trademarks of Capcom Co., Ltd. Street Fighter is registered trademark of Capcom U.S.A., Inc. All rights reserved. All other marks are the property of their respective owners."
EDIT: More legal.
http://www.residentevilcontroller.com/index2.html - RE is a Co., LTD. IP.
http://www.streetfightercontroller.com/ - Street Fighter listed as a Capcom USA, Inc. IP.
Also note that they are listed as being registered in 2005 by Capcom USA, Inc. This kind of stuff is legal boilerplate handed to Licensing companies, so I can almost guarantee you it is not wrong.
Bluemercury
Member
Rur0ni said:
I say Ryu is probably the more powerful character in the game some of his combos are downright devastating......a skilled ryu is very very hard to beat.....
Why would Capcom USA spend a cent? If Arc System works is making it, they are likely the ones paying Capcom for the right to make a game on the franchise. And Capcom USA owning the IP doesn't mean Capcom of Japan couldn't foot the bill if they were interested, I doubt Capcom USA would have a problem with that.
When does the show start again?
When does the show start again?
Shouta
Member
As with any game's Tier ranking, it's just a general consensus of strength and match-ups. It doesn't speak anything about actual player skill and actual in-battle happenings. This is especially true for 3s where, while the top 3 characters have advantages, they still can be beat by most of the other characters if the player is good. I really wish I had that video I saw recently (at a friend's house) where this relatively obscure Q player beats a Chun-li and a Ken from two well known players (I don't remember who was playing though).
I'd definitely welcome a SF4. They should incorporate choice characters from all of their main SF series games into it. I'd definitely like to see characters like the twins, Karin, Fei-long, and a few others make it into SF4.
I'd definitely welcome a SF4. They should incorporate choice characters from all of their main SF series games into it. I'd definitely like to see characters like the twins, Karin, Fei-long, and a few others make it into SF4.
Ryu is great, but Ken is better, more tools. It's harder for Ryu to get in. But when he gets in, he does do big damage.Ferrio said:
Dejinn Ryu is underrated. Most people just say "oh it's parriable" and forget about it, but when you vary the release of the throw, or throw a normal fireball first to screw up the guys timing, that move is very effective.
And you're talking about Kuroda (best Q in the world) beating Ricky Ortiz's Ken and Justin Wong's turtling Chun. Kuroda beats Wong on a time out, HAH, turtling bastards gets bit in the ass that time.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
I love SF3 but I really suck at it. I still can't get the Dejinn Fireball out effective or fast enough.
Got any good hints for Ryu?
Got any good hints for Ryu?
Alright, about the Dejinn, first thing you gotta get out of your brain is that you DONT need to charge it full. Getting only 3 hits is fine, that's like 60% stun meter, and since the bar is short you'll refill it in no time. When they are at wakeup, throw a lp fireball first and cancel into the dejinn so that the first fireball hits them as they get back up. If they parry it, throw the dejinn so it completely changes the rate of parrying, if they block it, throw it so it hits them on blockstun so they have to red parry it to survive.HomerSimpson-Man said:
Oh and in case you don't know, rotating the stick/pad increases the rate the super charges.
EDIT - if they stun, the best combo is j.fp -> fp (d.fp for Oro, Yun and Yang) -> rk hurricane kick. If you stunned him with meter, j.fp -> fp -> EX side kick -> fp dragon punch, or if you have more EX meter and want to put a little extra hurt, EX dragon punch, though it's a waste of bar unless it'll end the round.
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